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On October 25 2010 21:48 joonp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:45 ryanAnger wrote:On October 25 2010 21:42 Raidern wrote:
Masters of the obvious here, but I think that in order to beat Idra a terran will need to make some really good early harass, mess with his timing. It's not like I'm comparing their skill levels, but in BW, brazilian player Odin had a sick sick macro. If one would let him macro at will, they would probably lose the match. However whenever people messed with his timing in early game, his performance would be very disappointing most of the time.
Idra's macro is really really really sick and unless someone can match his macro in this game, they will have to do some good harassing early in the game. At least that's how I seei t. The problem with this, though, is that Idra is no longer the dude who would fold under slight pressure. Once upon a time, a cannon rush would destroy him, but now, he can hold anything, it seems. If players can't harrass him effectively, thats just putting them even further behind in the macro game. The way I see it, unless he does something stupid (i.e. GSL 1 vs Lotze), I don't think he can be beat at this stage in the game. I may end up eating my words though. idk man, Nada played extremely well today and was very on top of his macro, in fact that's the main reason he won the second game i think he can contest and possibly beat idra's macro game, i'll be very excited to see a Nada vs Idra match up
Yeah, I'll give you that, but I think its obvious Idra beats Nada on the overall knowledge portion of the game. Now, that is not to say that Nada couldn't catch up, and I'm sure he could, but right now, Idra is the best.
He is playing pros who are known for excellence, and just manhandling them. He was in no position to lose at all during that entire series, and he's just making it look like childs play.
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On October 25 2010 21:40 okaygo wrote:
lol at all these terran tears. come on, its obvious that after all the practice at defending against terran nonsense and with the recent buffs to zerg and the nerfs to terran. idra and cool are performing at the level that is expected of them. clearly superior to the terrans.
idra fighting.
So lets say players of high caliber like Nada and Boxer play against Idra or Cool and get demolished. Not even a close match...are you saying that Idra and Cool are much better players and not even in the same league as these guys? Lets just keep on watching gsl. I guarantee you that if zerg players keep going muta/ling/bling against Terran, none of the games are going to be close unless Terran does an all-in right when the spire is complete (a narrow window).
So far I am right about Idra easily owning ogsGon. Remember that Idra had a horrible time with Terran before. But it's not like the match up got a little easier, but a lot easier - against the worlds best Terran players.
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On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow.
It's not a bug, it's a legit strategy. Like charging your own zealots to get a longer charge or mass repairing a PF so it can't be attacked in melee range. It's a "clever use of game mechanics", or so Blizzard would be apt to say.
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On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow.
Terran players come out to whine once they get nerfed slightly. Nothing needs to be fixed, take your crying else where.
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On October 25 2010 21:49 KingRajesh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:45 Nemireck wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:42 amorpheus wrote:
Idra showing rock solid play here but I still think mvp will manhandle him pretty bad. No way. If it's Terran and not on Lost Temple... It's GG. Speaking of that, why doesn't Idra downvote LT? It's the worst map for zerg with Steppes of War being the second. Delta Quadrant is the worst map for zerg. Steppes being second. THEN it's Lost Temple. Hmmm. Why Delta Quadrant? Because of the open natural? I don't have much trouble on that map unless it's same side spawns, but then again, I'm in the platinum league.
For the exact same reason as Steppes... short rush distances and wide open natural. Would be an entirely different story if the debris wasn't covering the safe nat, but since it is, Delta is a huge weakness for zerg... I'd even say that it's THE worst map for Zerg, followed by Steppes.
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On October 25 2010 21:51 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:48 ryanAnger wrote:On October 25 2010 21:45 Nemireck wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:42 amorpheus wrote:
Idra showing rock solid play here but I still think mvp will manhandle him pretty bad. No way. If it's Terran and not on Lost Temple... It's GG. Speaking of that, why doesn't Idra downvote LT? It's the worst map for zerg with Steppes of War being the second. Delta Quadrant is the worst map for zerg. Steppes being second. THEN it's Lost Temple. It's really not that bad any more. Post-patch, Roaches can handle a lot of the shenanigans on the cliff, at least long enough for you to not lose your hatch, and a lot of times, when it happens to me, I can trade the hatch and go right to the dudes base. 8-9 Roaches with a couple Spines ready to go, and it is a hell of a lot easier to clean up than you'd think. Also, Lost Temple is actually good in the early stages of the game, because the narrow opening to the nat shuts down a lot of hellion play with some well placed Spines. Agreed, but there's a distinct lack of any other maps that would be considered Zerg weaknesses as well... Maybe Xel Naga Caverns?
Eh, I dunno. Personally I like XNG because of the little back door paths, etc, but I also feel like people aren't abusing it like they should be, what with the open nat and all.
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On October 25 2010 21:53 joonp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow. Terran players come out to whine once they get nerfed slightly. Nothing needs to be fixed, take your crying else where.
Yeah, you're smart. I wrote it 2 posts ago, that I'm not a terran player. Jeezus.
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I think people are overestimating how unbeatable IdrA is, he dropped three games at MLG DC, which is more than Fruit Dealer dropped all of GSL one against tougher competition in a harder patch. IdrA will be favoured in a match against a Terran right now, but I have no doubt that if a Terran (or any other race player) is good enough they can beat him.
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On October 25 2010 21:55 raidmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:53 joonp wrote:On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow. Terran players come out to whine once they get nerfed slightly. Nothing needs to be fixed, take your crying else where. Yeah, you're smart. I wrote it 2 posts ago, that I'm not a terran player. Jeezus.
Doesn't matter, you're still whining like one.
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On October 25 2010 21:53 joonp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow. Terran players come out to whine once they get nerfed slightly. Nothing needs to be fixed, take your crying else where.
I bet if someone like Boxer said something needs to be fixed, you'd be all over that. Btw, he did say something along those lines.
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On October 25 2010 21:52 shynee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:40 okaygo wrote:
lol at all these terran tears. come on, its obvious that after all the practice at defending against terran nonsense and with the recent buffs to zerg and the nerfs to terran. idra and cool are performing at the level that is expected of them. clearly superior to the terrans.
idra fighting. are you saying that Idra and Cool are much better players and not even in the same league as these guys?
Yes. That is exactly the case right now. The fact of the matter is this: Idra and Cool have been playing SC2 much longer, and with more dedication than both Nada and Boxer, and at this rate, I don't think either of the "legends" will be able to catch up.
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Idra is such a beast, assuming he doesn't make some huge ridiculous mistakes i'd say the chances of him winning GSL are pretty damn big.
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On October 25 2010 21:57 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:52 shynee wrote:On October 25 2010 21:40 okaygo wrote:
lol at all these terran tears. come on, its obvious that after all the practice at defending against terran nonsense and with the recent buffs to zerg and the nerfs to terran. idra and cool are performing at the level that is expected of them. clearly superior to the terrans.
idra fighting. are you saying that Idra and Cool are much better players and not even in the same league as these guys? Yes. That is exactly the case right now. The fact of the matter is this: Idra and Cool have been playing SC2 much longer, and with more dedication than both Nada and Boxer, and at this rate, I don't think either of the "legends" will be able to catch up.
And what about Maka, Loner, and other top Terran players? What if they get demolished? Idra is just that much better than them? Even though he had major problems before the patches? Watch. If there is no Terran all-in, hes going to destroy them so bad.. imba is going to stink up the whole set.
I'll even tell you the pattern of the TvZ games:
Survive through the potential all in timing attack. Are we in mid game now? DOMINATE AND RUN TERRAN OVER. GG.
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On October 25 2010 21:57 joonp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:55 raidmaster wrote:On October 25 2010 21:53 joonp wrote:On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow. Terran players come out to whine once they get nerfed slightly. Nothing needs to be fixed, take your crying else where. Yeah, you're smart. I wrote it 2 posts ago, that I'm not a terran player. Jeezus. Doesn't matter, you're still whining like one.
Whining? Where, lol? I'm discussing in case you didn't notice. I agree with most of the terran nerfs, but I think that Blizzard overnerfed them. I can see they are struggling not only in TvZ but in TvP too. I think ST should be buffed to the point they were before, at least 50 traight dmg.
Having a balanced game is good, you're clearly a zerg player so your judgement is affected. You'd like too see terran tears now, because Zerg was UP for so long. But what's the case to have a game with 2 playable races? It needs to be balanced.
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On October 25 2010 21:53 joonp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow. Terran players come out to whine once they get nerfed slightly. Nothing needs to be fixed, take your crying else where.
This isn't the thread to bitch about balance issues, but as a zerg-only player, even I've noticed the huge nerf that Terran took in the last patch. It wasn't a slight nerf, it was smash-hammer.
I think the combination of Roach range, reaper nerfs (build time, speed upgrade) and guaranteed slow barracks have done a huge amount of damage to the Terran early game. Any ONE of those changes would have balanced the match up, and in fact we saw that zerg were adapting to early reaper play pretty well after the 5-second delay placed on their BT. Personally, I think Roach range was the only required move to help balance the Z early game, and the nerfs to early terran harrass were overkill.
Of course, there ARE still many timing pushes that a Terran can utilize against Z to swing any given game in their favour, as well as banshee rushes, early drops while Z is low on units (***especially anti air***), and 2-base contains. But, I see lots of Terran using their orbital commands to blast out tons of MULEs instead of regularly scanning the Z base to build up a strong push. Because of the burst nature of the Z macro mechanic, there are openings in every game where a well-timed push can cripple the Z, one drone round that should have been units, and vice versa, is all it takes to throw Z timings off and take a game, and I don't think many non-Z players realize the paper-thin margin of error that Z players have to work with before a critical mass of Mutas hit the board.
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On October 25 2010 21:57 shynee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:53 joonp wrote:On October 25 2010 21:50 raidmaster wrote:On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that. How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass. Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones. And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot. Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work. QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra. Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"... Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board. I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow. Terran players come out to whine once they get nerfed slightly. Nothing needs to be fixed, take your crying else where. I bet if someone like Boxer said something needs to be fixed, you'd be all over that. Btw, he did say something along those lines.
No I wouldn't, and I don't care. Cry more now that ZvT is a more even match up?
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On October 25 2010 22:00 shynee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:57 ryanAnger wrote:On October 25 2010 21:52 shynee wrote:On October 25 2010 21:40 okaygo wrote:
lol at all these terran tears. come on, its obvious that after all the practice at defending against terran nonsense and with the recent buffs to zerg and the nerfs to terran. idra and cool are performing at the level that is expected of them. clearly superior to the terrans.
idra fighting. are you saying that Idra and Cool are much better players and not even in the same league as these guys? Yes. That is exactly the case right now. The fact of the matter is this: Idra and Cool have been playing SC2 much longer, and with more dedication than both Nada and Boxer, and at this rate, I don't think either of the "legends" will be able to catch up. And what about Maka, Loner, and other top Terran players? What if they get demolished? Idra is just that much better than them? Even though he had major problems before the patches? Watch. If there is no Terran all-in, hes going to destroy them so bad.. imba is going to stink up the whole set.
Maybe IdrA should have done better versus players like Maka before patch but wasn't, but with the patch he's able to shine. Maybe more than he should, but yeah.
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On October 25 2010 22:00 shynee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:57 ryanAnger wrote:On October 25 2010 21:52 shynee wrote:On October 25 2010 21:40 okaygo wrote:
lol at all these terran tears. come on, its obvious that after all the practice at defending against terran nonsense and with the recent buffs to zerg and the nerfs to terran. idra and cool are performing at the level that is expected of them. clearly superior to the terrans.
idra fighting. are you saying that Idra and Cool are much better players and not even in the same league as these guys? Yes. That is exactly the case right now. The fact of the matter is this: Idra and Cool have been playing SC2 much longer, and with more dedication than both Nada and Boxer, and at this rate, I don't think either of the "legends" will be able to catch up. And what about Maka, Loner, and other top Terran players? What if they get demolished? Idra is just that much better than them? Even though he had major problems before the patches? Watch. If there is no Terran all-in, hes going to destroy them so bad.. imba is going to stink up the whole set.
because roaches have +1 range? or because dropships were slowed slightly?
u have to do more than build a bunker at a potential z third to win games. i'm sorry
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On October 25 2010 21:50 Avaclon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 21:41 Mitchlew wrote:
Hope NaDa and BoxeR meet up. Would draw huge crowds imo. Problem is, BoxeR would have to get thru Loner if he beats CoreJJang... Loner is freaking scary.
i dunno man, loner looked pretty bad in ro64
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On October 25 2010 21:44 Paradice wrote:
Is there a chart with the full brackets somewhere? (as in, which winners of which matches play whom next?) the gomtv site doesn't seem to have one (as far as I can tell?)
Liquipedia!
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