[GSL] Ro32 Day 2 - Page 122

On October 26 2010 08:14 Qikz wrote:


Depends, what do you mean, like at the mineral line?

It's hard to do it really, it's kind of silly to, too. Since they're more expensive now and seemingly take up more room so there's less space to fit them in. Main reason is cost, since if you build three straight off and he only ever builds his like first 9 mutas, you've spent loads of minerals you could of spent on marines which can move around.

I generally add on turrets if needs must, so if he constantly improves his muta count, but I think it mainly comes down to cost as they can't shoot ground, so if he doesn't stick with mutas it's a bad investment.

On October 26 2010 08:09 Sixes wrote:


You will lose that bet more than you win it.

There may be 1 Zerg win tomorrow but I really doubt we will see even two unless some of these players play way better than they have shown yet (or their opponents play much worse).

On October 26 2010 09:06 Fa1nT wrote:
You have slightly cheaper turrets, they are called marines.

On October 26 2010 05:12 MrCon wrote:
Watch any high level TvZ replay, skip to the 8 minute mark, open income tab. Usualy the zerg will have 50-60 workers to 30-35 for the terran. Now I understand why blizzard gave the mule to T =)

On October 26 2010 10:35 Shakes wrote:


Did this for the LOLs on some of the tournament replays I had, hopefully these are "high level" enough:

IdrA vs SelecT @ MLG: 30 vs 29, 25 vs 28 (IdrA won both games)
IdrA vs qxc @ MLG: 31 vs 29, 29 vs 29, 40 vs 29 (IdrA won games 1 and 3)
DIMAGA vs MakaPrime @ Blizzcon: 30 vs 24, 25 vs 24, 28 vs 25 (DIMAGA won game 1)
SEN vs Loner @ Blizzcon: 31 vs 32, 40 vs 30 (SEN lost both games)

So in a sample of 4 BO3 series, with a spread of the 4 possible results we only saw a double digit difference in workers twice, and one of those games resulted in a Terran win anyway.

The average worker count was 31 vs 28, nowhere near the 50-100% advantage you claimed the Zerg would have. In fact it's close enough that Terran actually has an economic advantage once you add in MULEs.

I'm not going to make any balance claims because I don't think we've seen this patch play out enough to know. But it's pretty clear that if Zerg has an economic advantage it's not an early game one, it's only one that kicks in once the game progresses beyond two bases.

On October 26 2010 15:00 cup of joe wrote:
just caught up with the idra games from last night, does anyone know what the deal was with gon placing the ebays on the very edge of where the hatch would go instead of a more normal spot to block it? can't figure it out

On October 26 2010 15:00 cup of joe wrote:
just caught up with the idra games from last night, does anyone know what the deal was with gon placing the ebays on the very edge of where the hatch would go instead of a more normal spot to block it? can't figure it out

On October 26 2010 15:11 Silidons wrote:

because it doesn't matter?

On October 26 2010 15:20 cup of joe wrote:


he put it so far out that it actually looked to me like it wasn't even blocking it, just seems risky that you might misplace it when theres no clear visual indicator other than memory for what would block the hatch and what wouldn't to do it like that instead of putting it somewhere that would obviously block it

was just wondering if there was some legitimate reason to do it i guess, like maybe if he put it in a more normal spot it'd actually be a viable strat for idra to hatch first anyway and misplace the hatch by a couple tiles and he doesn't want that. guess not though

On October 26 2010 17:16 Nemireck wrote:
They're pros... They know EXACTLY where they can place those expos on the mineral lines