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eksert
Profile Joined August 2010
France656 Posts
October 25 2010 12:45 GMT
#2161
Idra said: "LT is pretty good for zerg" while commenting a game and in MLG.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
October 25 2010 12:45 GMT
#2162
On October 25 2010 21:44 KingRajesh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:42 amorpheus wrote:
Idra showing rock solid play here but I still think mvp will manhandle him pretty bad.


No way. If it's Terran and not on Lost Temple... It's GG.

Speaking of that, why doesn't Idra downvote LT? It's the worst map for zerg with Steppes of War being the second.


Delta Quadrant is the worst map for zerg.
Steppes being second.

THEN it's Lost Temple.
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ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
October 25 2010 12:45 GMT
#2163
On October 25 2010 21:42 Raidern wrote:
Masters of the obvious here, but I think that in order to beat Idra a terran will need to make some really good early harass, mess with his timing. It's not like I'm comparing their skill levels, but in BW, brazilian player Odin had a sick sick macro. If one would let him macro at will, they would probably lose the match. However whenever people messed with his timing in early game, his performance would be very disappointing most of the time.

Idra's macro is really really really sick and unless someone can match his macro in this game, they will have to do some good harassing early in the game. At least that's how I seei t.


The problem with this, though, is that Idra is no longer the dude who would fold under slight pressure. Once upon a time, a cannon rush would destroy him, but now, he can hold anything, it seems.

If players can't harrass him effectively, thats just putting them even further behind in the macro game.

The way I see it, unless he does something stupid (i.e. GSL 1 vs Lotze), I don't think he can be beat at this stage in the game. I may end up eating my words though.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 25 2010 12:46 GMT
#2164
On October 25 2010 21:36 amorpheus wrote:
so idra doesn't consider mvp that much of a challenge
interesting

That's not at all what was said.

First Artosis asked him how far he thought he could go and IdrA said he thinks he can make it to the finals. Then Artosis asked him besides Cool, who else he might be worried about facing in the finals. Since the hypothetical was on the finals, IdrA answered only with players from the other side of the bracket.
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Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
October 25 2010 12:46 GMT
#2165
On October 25 2010 21:44 cocoa_sg wrote:
It does not really thrill me that a Zerg is going to dominate the finals again, whether it be Idra or Cool (FruitDealer). It was ironic last season that zergs were underwhelming when Cool came out of nowhere to snatch the crown. And now with the zerg buffs, the swarm is set to dominate again. Kind of disappointing for a Season 2 climax, really... =\


The zerg are dominate because they are better.

They were stuggling for months and still winning some, and that struggle has forced them to play much more and become better over all.

Now that it has shifted a small amount, their practice is showing. Zerg are not so much stronger, they are better on average.

_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
October 25 2010 12:47 GMT
#2166
On October 25 2010 21:46 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:36 amorpheus wrote:
so idra doesn't consider mvp that much of a challenge
interesting

That's not at all what was said.

First Artosis asked him how far he thought he could go and IdrA said he thinks he can make it to the finals. Then Artosis asked him besides Cool, who else he might be worried about facing in the finals. Since the hypothetical was on the finals, IdrA answered only with players from the other side of the bracket.


idrA said he wouldn't have much trouble in his bracket as all the matches will be probably be ZvT.

his bracket included mvp.
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abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
October 25 2010 12:47 GMT
#2167
On October 25 2010 21:34 Zaka wrote:
Oh c'mon, a minute of interview time? Bring back Jason Lee!



Yep, most of R32 has been bad - better games at the end of R64, let's hope it gets better.
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KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
October 25 2010 12:47 GMT
#2168
On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that.


How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass.


Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones.
And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot.


Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work.

QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra.

Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"...

Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
TheLight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-25 12:57:04
October 25 2010 12:47 GMT
#2169
Mod edit: Edited out Rickroll. Just use: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2010_GOMTV_Starcraft_II_Open_Season_2/Main_Event

The link that the other guy posted was a rickroll for some random reason.
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Ettzerg
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia99 Posts
October 25 2010 12:47 GMT
#2170
On October 25 2010 21:40 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:39 NeoLearner wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:38 Ettzerg wrote:
Anyone else with 4/4 LiquiBet today?

Blargh, Suhoshin Vs Leenock was a 50/50 for me and I guessed wrong.


4/4 for me ,,,, dude Pic > no Pic easy choice :D


Haha, for me it was cause I think that chubby kid looked cute :D
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ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
October 25 2010 12:48 GMT
#2171
On October 25 2010 21:45 Nemireck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:44 KingRajesh wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:42 amorpheus wrote:
Idra showing rock solid play here but I still think mvp will manhandle him pretty bad.


No way. If it's Terran and not on Lost Temple... It's GG.

Speaking of that, why doesn't Idra downvote LT? It's the worst map for zerg with Steppes of War being the second.


Delta Quadrant is the worst map for zerg.
Steppes being second.

THEN it's Lost Temple.


It's really not that bad any more. Post-patch, Roaches can handle a lot of the shenanigans on the cliff, at least long enough for you to not lose your hatch, and a lot of times, when it happens to me, I can trade the hatch and go right to the dudes base.

8-9 Roaches with a couple Spines ready to go, and it is a hell of a lot easier to clean up than you'd think.

Also, Lost Temple is actually good in the early stages of the game, because the narrow opening to the nat shuts down a lot of hellion play with some well placed Spines.
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joonp
Profile Joined October 2010
United States105 Posts
October 25 2010 12:48 GMT
#2172
On October 25 2010 21:45 ryanAnger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:42 Raidern wrote:
Masters of the obvious here, but I think that in order to beat Idra a terran will need to make some really good early harass, mess with his timing. It's not like I'm comparing their skill levels, but in BW, brazilian player Odin had a sick sick macro. If one would let him macro at will, they would probably lose the match. However whenever people messed with his timing in early game, his performance would be very disappointing most of the time.

Idra's macro is really really really sick and unless someone can match his macro in this game, they will have to do some good harassing early in the game. At least that's how I seei t.


The problem with this, though, is that Idra is no longer the dude who would fold under slight pressure. Once upon a time, a cannon rush would destroy him, but now, he can hold anything, it seems.

If players can't harrass him effectively, thats just putting them even further behind in the macro game.

The way I see it, unless he does something stupid (i.e. GSL 1 vs Lotze), I don't think he can be beat at this stage in the game. I may end up eating my words though.

idk man, Nada played extremely well today and was very on top of his macro, in fact that's the main reason he won the second game

i think he can contest and possibly beat idra's macro game, i'll be very excited to see a Nada vs Idra match up
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 25 2010 12:48 GMT
#2173
On October 25 2010 21:47 TheLight wrote:
Brackets:

The link that the other guy posted was a rickroll for some random reason.


It rickrolls regardless it seems. So weird. Copy link location shows the correct link.
Yargh
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
October 25 2010 12:49 GMT
#2174
On October 25 2010 21:45 Nemireck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:44 KingRajesh wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:42 amorpheus wrote:
Idra showing rock solid play here but I still think mvp will manhandle him pretty bad.


No way. If it's Terran and not on Lost Temple... It's GG.

Speaking of that, why doesn't Idra downvote LT? It's the worst map for zerg with Steppes of War being the second.


Delta Quadrant is the worst map for zerg.
Steppes being second.

THEN it's Lost Temple.


Hmmm. Why Delta Quadrant? Because of the open natural? I don't have much trouble on that map unless it's same side spawns, but then again, I'm in the platinum league.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
VikingKong
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China509 Posts
October 25 2010 12:50 GMT
#2175
It's a little ironic that Idra seemed a lot more mortal in MLG as opposed to GSL, almost losing to Kiwikaki and qxc. Interesting to think about why, maybe the NA style with more aggressive/cheesy/unpredictable play that Idra describes is better for countering him, or might just be because he hasn't met the really top-tier koreans yet. Probably both, actually.
raidmaster
Profile Joined July 2010
474 Posts
October 25 2010 12:50 GMT
#2176
On October 25 2010 21:47 KingRajesh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:44 Fallen.Sc wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:32 kataa wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:28 Telcontar wrote:
You can't play a macro game vs zerg without constant aggression and pinning him back. Gon needs to work on that.


How many times did he try and harass with hellions only go get pwned on all sides? How many times did he try and drop only to have it spotted and shut down before it even began? Everytime we see a good Zerg player win, we get so many Terrans saying "You need to be more aggressive." but the thing that makes a good zerg player is there ability to shut down harass.


Yeah , it's not really a balance topic but blizzard really need to look at zerg macro mechanics , or make some change so terran can keep up in a macro game. Because 1 rax fast expand dont work zerg will get ahead by like 15 drones.
And Harass don't seem that good if the zerg is not playing greedy and make 2 Spine crawler at natural with 4 roaches to kill helions and 3 queens to prevent banshee harass and spread creep faster. Even drops gets shut down by Muta / infestor creep spread and overlord placement helps a lot.


Terran needs to do something NEW. The same tired strategies aren't going to work.

QXC's Raven play was good enough to take a game off Idra.

Put it like this: Terran right now is in Zerg's position with the Mutalisk before discovering the Magic Box. Every Terran was like "LOL THORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HARD COUNTER MUTAS, L2P"...

Well, Terrans... It's your turn to L2P. Go back to the drawing board.


I partly agree with you but c'mon. Magix box is not a strategy nor anything that zerg discovered using the "drawing board". I would call it a bug. I think that with increased roach range magic box should be fixed. TvZ would be at least balanced somehow.
Avaclon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States80 Posts
October 25 2010 12:50 GMT
#2177
On October 25 2010 21:41 Mitchlew wrote:
Hope NaDa and BoxeR meet up. Would draw huge crowds imo.


Problem is, BoxeR would have to get thru Loner if he beats CoreJJang... Loner is freaking scary.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
October 25 2010 12:51 GMT
#2178
On October 25 2010 21:48 ryanAnger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:45 Nemireck wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:44 KingRajesh wrote:
On October 25 2010 21:42 amorpheus wrote:
Idra showing rock solid play here but I still think mvp will manhandle him pretty bad.


No way. If it's Terran and not on Lost Temple... It's GG.

Speaking of that, why doesn't Idra downvote LT? It's the worst map for zerg with Steppes of War being the second.


Delta Quadrant is the worst map for zerg.
Steppes being second.

THEN it's Lost Temple.


It's really not that bad any more. Post-patch, Roaches can handle a lot of the shenanigans on the cliff, at least long enough for you to not lose your hatch, and a lot of times, when it happens to me, I can trade the hatch and go right to the dudes base.

8-9 Roaches with a couple Spines ready to go, and it is a hell of a lot easier to clean up than you'd think.

Also, Lost Temple is actually good in the early stages of the game, because the narrow opening to the nat shuts down a lot of hellion play with some well placed Spines.


Agreed, but there's a distinct lack of any other maps that would be considered Zerg weaknesses as well... Maybe Xel Naga Caverns?

Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
hkfosho
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada213 Posts
October 25 2010 12:51 GMT
#2179
damn nada played more solid than bear poo
he's gonna go far
TheLight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia410 Posts
October 25 2010 12:52 GMT
#2180
On October 25 2010 21:48 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 21:47 TheLight wrote:
Brackets:

The link that the other guy posted was a rickroll for some random reason.


It rickrolls regardless it seems. So weird. Copy link location shows the correct link.


What the? It almost seems youplayoff created a referrer redirect.
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