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FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
October 10 2010 20:49 GMT
#681
On October 11 2010 05:44 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Fenix is part of fanatic right?


When I read that I first thought he was a fascist or something :D
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 10 2010 20:50 GMT
#682
Next time qxc! =/

Amazing how Fenix keeps coming back from behind O__O
Jaedong :3
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 20:51:07
October 10 2010 20:50 GMT
#683
I'm really not a fan of Gunrun- kind of ruined IEM for me . If you're reading this, I appreciate the effort, but please try not adding "yeah, ok. anyway" to the end of every sentence, and summarizing what day9 said right after he said it. Maybe it was nerves from it being your first major live cast (havent listened to GLHF) but it was kind of awkward casting, I think.

And as someone else said, your volume was low, but that probably wasn't your fault.

This is meant as critique, not necessarily hate. I may not be a fan of yours, but you do have fans- just gotta work on your enunciation and get rid of some of those unnecessary words.

That's my opinion, anyway.
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Goggalor
Profile Joined August 2010
United States310 Posts
October 10 2010 20:50 GMT
#684
Day9 was like, "I've got to fly home and do a daily, bitches! Cya!"
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself - Carl Sagan
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
October 10 2010 20:51 GMT
#685
On October 11 2010 05:46 Chrustler wrote:
The reason they don't have cameras set up is because they aren't legally allowed to move their cameras around at the venue unlike in Germany, they have to hire the union workers to do it there and it would take too much time & cost them more money than it's worth.


This is a horrible excuse.

They could still have a webcam on each of the players, and get them up into the commentators booth for post game interviews.

Esports is not going to grow unless fans have actual faces to cheer for and sponsors aren't going to sponsor players unless they can actually get their logos on TV.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
October 10 2010 20:53 GMT
#686
On October 11 2010 05:51 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 05:46 Chrustler wrote:
The reason they don't have cameras set up is because they aren't legally allowed to move their cameras around at the venue unlike in Germany, they have to hire the union workers to do it there and it would take too much time & cost them more money than it's worth.


This is a horrible excuse.

They could still have a webcam on each of the players, and get them up into the commentators booth for post game interviews.

Esports is not going to grow unless fans have actual faces to cheer for and sponsors aren't going to sponsor players unless they can actually get their logos on TV.


I was merely explaining why they couldn't have cameras on the main stage when the prizes were given, you can blame IEM for the rest.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
October 10 2010 20:54 GMT
#687
On October 11 2010 05:53 Chrustler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 05:51 Wargizmo wrote:
On October 11 2010 05:46 Chrustler wrote:
The reason they don't have cameras set up is because they aren't legally allowed to move their cameras around at the venue unlike in Germany, they have to hire the union workers to do it there and it would take too much time & cost them more money than it's worth.


This is a horrible excuse.

They could still have a webcam on each of the players, and get them up into the commentators booth for post game interviews.

Esports is not going to grow unless fans have actual faces to cheer for and sponsors aren't going to sponsor players unless they can actually get their logos on TV.


I was merely explaining why they couldn't have cameras on the main stage when the prizes were given, you can blame IEM for the rest.


I wasn't having a go at you, I was having a go at IEM, sorry for the confusion.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
October 10 2010 20:55 GMT
#688
On October 11 2010 05:51 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 05:46 Chrustler wrote:
The reason they don't have cameras set up is because they aren't legally allowed to move their cameras around at the venue unlike in Germany, they have to hire the union workers to do it there and it would take too much time & cost them more money than it's worth.


This is a horrible excuse.

They could still have a webcam on each of the players, and get them up into the commentators booth for post game interviews.

Esports is not going to grow unless fans have actual faces to cheer for and sponsors aren't going to sponsor players unless they can actually get their logos on TV.


Blame lolamericas stupid laws that make such cameras illegal.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
October 10 2010 20:56 GMT
#689
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Jesus!

They could've at least given us a PvT or something, I mean damn.
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BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
October 10 2010 20:57 GMT
#690
On October 11 2010 05:54 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 05:53 Chrustler wrote:
On October 11 2010 05:51 Wargizmo wrote:
On October 11 2010 05:46 Chrustler wrote:
The reason they don't have cameras set up is because they aren't legally allowed to move their cameras around at the venue unlike in Germany, they have to hire the union workers to do it there and it would take too much time & cost them more money than it's worth.


This is a horrible excuse.

They could still have a webcam on each of the players, and get them up into the commentators booth for post game interviews.

Esports is not going to grow unless fans have actual faces to cheer for and sponsors aren't going to sponsor players unless they can actually get their logos on TV.


I was merely explaining why they couldn't have cameras on the main stage when the prizes were given, you can blame IEM for the rest.


I wasn't having a go at you, I was having a go at IEM, sorry for the confusion.


I think they may have preferred not to have shoddy presentation like using webcams, etc and just forego having player coverage at this particular event, which after all was merely a qualifier for the IEM world championships which will surely have much greater coverage (judging from past events). I'm sure they will have main-stage interviews and such with the players then.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
October 10 2010 20:57 GMT
#691
On October 11 2010 05:55 Kazang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 05:51 Wargizmo wrote:
On October 11 2010 05:46 Chrustler wrote:
The reason they don't have cameras set up is because they aren't legally allowed to move their cameras around at the venue unlike in Germany, they have to hire the union workers to do it there and it would take too much time & cost them more money than it's worth.


This is a horrible excuse.

They could still have a webcam on each of the players, and get them up into the commentators booth for post game interviews.

Esports is not going to grow unless fans have actual faces to cheer for and sponsors aren't going to sponsor players unless they can actually get their logos on TV.


Blame lolamericas stupid laws that make such cameras illegal.


So it's legal for them to show the commentators but illegal to show the players?
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 10 2010 20:59 GMT
#692
On October 11 2010 05:57 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 05:55 Kazang wrote:
On October 11 2010 05:51 Wargizmo wrote:
On October 11 2010 05:46 Chrustler wrote:
The reason they don't have cameras set up is because they aren't legally allowed to move their cameras around at the venue unlike in Germany, they have to hire the union workers to do it there and it would take too much time & cost them more money than it's worth.


This is a horrible excuse.

They could still have a webcam on each of the players, and get them up into the commentators booth for post game interviews.

Esports is not going to grow unless fans have actual faces to cheer for and sponsors aren't going to sponsor players unless they can actually get their logos on TV.


Blame lolamericas stupid laws that make such cameras illegal.


So it's legal for them to show the commentators but illegal to show the players?

That's why the law is stupid i guess ?
BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 21:00:02
October 10 2010 20:59 GMT
#693
DjWheat made a post relating to this issue previously:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159115&currentpage=79#1571
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
October 10 2010 21:00 GMT
#694
On October 11 2010 04:56 mcleod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 04:54 AlgeriaT wrote:
Fenix gonna be setting a new trend with the amount of medivacs he makes. I don't know any other terran who does that. It keeps winning him engagements where he seems to be completely outnumbered.


pretty standard actually

qxc just splits up his forces to much in the BS game


I wouldn't say it's standard since most of the other terran players haven't really gone for this sort of unit composition because of the danger of losing air control and getting raped by a few vikings. What enabled Fenix to do so was that he built so many marines and was always able to outmaneuver the tanks of his opponents and protect his own tanks from marauder assaults which was again a consequence of his high marine and medivac count.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 10 2010 21:02 GMT
#695
I think you guys are being way too harsh at IEM. For this sport to evolve you can't expect perfection from day 1 or else you will kill any initiative out there. IEM is moving their league to the US for the first time ever. They have never worked with the IEM employees doing this event, they probably have no experience with Comiccon or their policies. They probably don't have the same budget from their sponsor for this event as they have for their others. Etc etc. Give them a chance to grow this is difficult enough of an industry already.
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 21:08:58
October 10 2010 21:07 GMT
#696
On October 11 2010 06:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think you guys are being way too harsh at IEM. For this sport to evolve you can't expect perfection from day 1 or else you will kill any initiative out there. IEM is moving their league to the US for the first time ever. They have never worked with the IEM employees doing this event, they probably have no experience with Comiccon or their policies. They probably don't have the same budget from their sponsor for this event as they have for their others. Etc etc. Give them a chance to grow this is difficult enough of an industry already.


It's true, but I can't help they've missed the boat big time.

Here's an amazing story of a player who's come all the way from a country where the average yearly salary is 1/3 of the prizemoney offered for this tournament. And we know nothing about him, his backstory, what this win means to him, how happy he is to take the win etc...

This is the kind of thing that gets people interested in something, the human angle, it's the difference between being personally invested in something and seeing a bunch of computer graphics on a screen and is SOOOO important for getting sponsors and spectators.

I hope that we get to learn more about Fenix in March.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
dras
Profile Joined August 2010
Kazakhstan376 Posts
October 10 2010 21:12 GMT
#697
On October 11 2010 05:50 Nokarot wrote:
I'm really not a fan of Gunrun- kind of ruined IEM for me . If you're reading this, I appreciate the effort, but please try not adding "yeah, ok. anyway" to the end of every sentence, and summarizing what day9 said right after he said it. Maybe it was nerves from it being your first major live cast (havent listened to GLHF) but it was kind of awkward casting, I think.

And as someone else said, your volume was low, but that probably wasn't your fault.

This is meant as critique, not necessarily hate. I may not be a fan of yours, but you do have fans- just gotta work on your enunciation and get rid of some of those unnecessary words.

That's my opinion, anyway.


i cant stand him either, id rather day9 just talk to himself.
out4blood
Profile Joined July 2010
United States313 Posts
October 10 2010 21:15 GMT
#698
If you're a high level player, everything every commentator would say would sound redundant. So what then, would you want no commentators at all? Its a silly argument. Their job isn't to teach you the game. They're there to provide entertainment, a human layer for the action.

No, they are not just there to provide entertainment. They are there to provide information we wouldn't have just by watching the action, such as harvester counts, food counts, production, resources, etc.

The caster also needs to follow the important action, since we can't control the live replay, the caster needs to do it for us, and their partner needs to provide information that is off-screen, such as a simultaneous drop or a 2-pronged attack.

Their role should be similar to NFL commentators. Here's what is happening (caster), and here's what that means (commentator).
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany804 Posts
October 10 2010 21:19 GMT
#699
On October 11 2010 06:07 Wargizmo wrote:
It's true, but I can't help they've missed the boat big time.

Here's an amazing story of a player who's come all the way from a country where the average yearly salary is 1/3 of the prizemoney offered for this tournament. And we know nothing about him, his backstory, what this win means to him, how happy he is to take the win etc...

This is the kind of thing that gets people interested in something, the human angle, it's the difference between being personally invested in something and seeing a bunch of computer graphics on a screen and is SOOOO important for getting sponsors and spectators.

I hope that we get to learn more about Fenix in March.


Agreed 100%. The guy flies up from Peru to NYC to play in this event, and they can't get him in front of the camera even once? That's utterly terrible.
Sramota
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden183 Posts
October 10 2010 21:19 GMT
#700
On October 11 2010 06:15 out4blood wrote:
Show nested quote +
If you're a high level player, everything every commentator would say would sound redundant. So what then, would you want no commentators at all? Its a silly argument. Their job isn't to teach you the game. They're there to provide entertainment, a human layer for the action.

No, they are not just there to provide entertainment. They are there to provide information we wouldn't have just by watching the action, such as harvester counts, food counts, production, resources, etc.

The caster also needs to follow the important action, since we can't control the live replay, the caster needs to do it for us, and their partner needs to provide information that is off-screen, such as a simultaneous drop or a 2-pronged attack.

Their role should be similar to NFL commentators. Here's what is happening (caster), and here's what that means (commentator).

I've been saying that since Germany...
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