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noobkid
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1 Post
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 18:48:20
September 20 2010 18:43 GMT
#3001
Hello Tl!

I just watched TLO's Game and I think Hyperdub is a son of a bitch and he's even more ugly than the the guy who translates the Artosis Interviews on GOMTV.




User was banned for this post.
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
September 20 2010 18:45 GMT
#3002
On September 21 2010 03:18 leetchaos wrote:
Pretty telling of how young the game is with this many all-in proxies in a tournament like this.


I dont think you can say "many" cheese in SC2.
I thought it has even less cheeses compared to current BW tournaments.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 20 2010 18:45 GMT
#3003
On September 21 2010 03:02 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 02:55 revoN wrote:
Can't believe Tastosis missed those two DTs in AnyproPrime vs oGsTheWinD g1 (check VOD at around 27:36)... not that it was anything game changing at that point but still.


YEAH! I SAW THAT! Might not have been game-changing, but still, a few drones here and there do add up.

He shouldn't be obsing. They should be going off a 3rd party obs so he can focus on the game and being funny like we know he can. =)
tipakee
Profile Joined April 2010
United States127 Posts
September 20 2010 18:50 GMT
#3004
On September 21 2010 03:38 Dr.Frost wrote:
Is everybody forgetting the double proxy rax TLO just did to Dimaga? It seems to me that this kid deserved to lose. He can dish it, but his fans can't take it? Come on guys. TLO cheeses all the time too.


+ Show Spoiler +




I think you and HD are the only ones that think building barracks at your own natural means proxy
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 18:53:26
September 20 2010 18:51 GMT
#3005
In game 3 TheWind could have killed that second proxy pylon if he just sacced a few of his lings, it only had like 30hp left, the p managed to warp in so many units because of that. Horrible play by TheWind in this series.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
DeSam
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium84 Posts
September 20 2010 18:51 GMT
#3006
i hate hyperdub :'(
what a way to end a epic series....

TLO is a much better player!
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 20 2010 18:52 GMT
#3007
seriously whats with all the hyperdub hate? he only did what he had to do to win. if TLO had done the same would anyone be dissing him?
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Dr.Frost
Profile Joined April 2009
United States389 Posts
September 20 2010 18:55 GMT
#3008
On September 21 2010 03:50 tipakee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 03:38 Dr.Frost wrote:
Is everybody forgetting the double proxy rax TLO just did to Dimaga? It seems to me that this kid deserved to lose. He can dish it, but his fans can't take it? Come on guys. TLO cheeses all the time too.


+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4lHPDk_buw&sns=em



I think you and HD are the only ones that think building barracks at your own natural means proxy

Well jesus the map is so small.... It is closer than a proxy on most maps.
They are here to right our fall, they have heard someones troubled call???
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 20 2010 18:55 GMT
#3009
On September 21 2010 03:51 DeSam wrote:
i hate hyperdub :'(
what a way to end a epic series....

TLO is a much better player!


If he's much better then why did he lose the match? Hyperdub was ahead in the early game in all three games, it's in the lategame that hyperdub needs some improvement, at least in tvt.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
kiendudu
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands273 Posts
September 20 2010 18:57 GMT
#3010
better player does not mean a auto win. Winning a game requires many things..., winning a series require even more, I think hyperdub is better player because he just won TLO in a series.

^^
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
September 20 2010 18:57 GMT
#3011
On September 21 2010 03:51 Dionyseus wrote:
In game 3 TheWind could have killed that second proxy pylon if he just sacced a few of his lings, it only had like 30hp left, the p managed to warp in so many units because of that. Horrible play by TheWind in this series.


You say this as if the protoss player wouldn't be able to rebuild the pylon if it went down. Plus, he could easily like 6+ lings trying to kill the pylon, and a well placed force field or 2 could potentially save the pylon and still get several ling kills, which in a close game can decide the game.
www.infinityseven.net
Jacopana
Profile Joined September 2009
El Salvador210 Posts
September 20 2010 18:59 GMT
#3012
TLO will learn a lot after this loss, I`m angry because both Idra and TLO lost because of cheeses, I want to see foreigners win korean stuff!! thats all, cheers up for the GSL season 2, even though this first GSL will have amazing Ro16.
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
September 20 2010 19:03 GMT
#3013
All of you complaining about cheese make me laugh. If TLO did it himself and won you guys would be all over his cock. He got beat by a perfectly executed cheese. Cheese = part of the game, also i feel like 2 many strats are called cheese...
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 19:04:51
September 20 2010 19:03 GMT
#3014
On September 21 2010 03:43 noobkid wrote:
Hello Tl!

I just watched TLO's Game and I think Hyperdub is a son of a bitch and he's even more ugly than the the guy who translates the Artosis Interviews on GOMTV.





Somebody hurt his hero lost? TLO is good but he lost, get over it. All these people dick riding TLO, he lost please just get over it.

No I don't hate TLO, but people like him for the wrong reasons. It's like people liking idra because he BM's, not because he is a good player.
Autxmn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States7 Posts
September 20 2010 19:06 GMT
#3015
On September 21 2010 03:55 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 03:51 DeSam wrote:
i hate hyperdub :'(
what a way to end a epic series....

TLO is a much better player!


If he's much better then why did he lose the match? Hyperdub was ahead in the early game in all three games, it's in the lategame that hyperdub needs some improvement, at least in tvt.


I really wanted TLO to win, but this is what Hyperdub needed to do because of what Dionyseus wrote. TLO was rocking the late game and the first match especially of the series were long, drawn out battles over attrition. TLO should have expected something like that. Good luck to both of them in the future!

~"All's fair in love and war."
Koukalaka
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom80 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 19:09:19
September 20 2010 19:07 GMT
#3016
On September 21 2010 04:03 Glasse wrote:
All of you complaining about cheese make me laugh. If TLO did it himself and won you guys would be all over his cock. He got beat by a perfectly executed cheese. Cheese = part of the game, also i feel like 2 many strats are called cheese...


This.

Jaedong 4 pools FlaSh twice in a row in the OSL Finals.

The response:

"OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG SO TENSE."

When Jaedong pulls a victory:

"OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG WHAT AMAZING MICRO."

When Jaedong loses to FlaSh's SCV micro:

"OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG WHAT AMAZING MICRO."

Really wish people would stop the random hate... In all three games Hyperdub had the advantage: his micro and macro just seemed so much better and it had more fluidity to it in my opinion. Hyperdub had obvious methodic followups after his Proxy Banshee (game 1) failed- teched straight to siege tanks to setup a contain to catch up. Brilliant tactics. I'd even argue Hyperdub had a followup if his cheese was "caught".
Humdrum
Profile Joined July 2010
40 Posts
September 20 2010 19:08 GMT
#3017
On September 21 2010 04:03 SONE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 03:43 noobkid wrote:
Hello Tl!

I just watched TLO's Game and I think Hyperdub is a son of a bitch and he's even more ugly than the the guy who translates the Artosis Interviews on GOMTV.





Somebody hurt his hero lost? TLO is good but he lost, get over it. All these people dick riding TLO, he lost please just get over it.

No I don't hate TLO, but people like him for the wrong reasons. It's like people liking idra because he BM's, not because he is a good player.


I'm not sure how this is a similar situation at all. People like TLO because he's one of, if not the most creative and entertaining player in the world. If there's a player that people like for the right reasons, it's TLO.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
September 20 2010 19:10 GMT
#3018
On September 21 2010 04:08 Humdrum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:03 SONE wrote:
On September 21 2010 03:43 noobkid wrote:
Hello Tl!

I just watched TLO's Game and I think Hyperdub is a son of a bitch and he's even more ugly than the the guy who translates the Artosis Interviews on GOMTV.





Somebody hurt his hero lost? TLO is good but he lost, get over it. All these people dick riding TLO, he lost please just get over it.

No I don't hate TLO, but people like him for the wrong reasons. It's like people liking idra because he BM's, not because he is a good player.


I'm not sure how this is a similar situation at all. People like TLO because he's one of, if not the most creative and entertaining player in the world. If there's a player that people like for the right reasons, it's TLO.



Most people like TLO because day9 likes him.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 20 2010 19:11 GMT
#3019
On September 20 2010 18:52 boesthius wrote:
Poll: Recommended Game 2 Anypro < Lost Temple > TheWinD?

Yes (148)
 
93%

No (11)
 
7%

159 total votes

Your vote: Recommended Game 2 Anypro < Lost Temple > TheWinD?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



I can't believe the poll results, that game was pure garbage. The P would have died to speedlings in less than 10 minutes against any diamond zerg, including me. TheWind made so many noob mistakes like leaving 7 broodlords without any support losing all of them to stalkers, and letting AnyProPrime recoup by allowing him to take the gold expo. horrible game
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Vz0
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada378 Posts
September 20 2010 19:11 GMT
#3020
On September 20 2010 22:50 qtpie wrote:
i actually don't particularly support TLO or hate him, but in the first game, the back and forth between their lines got me excited and interested in what might happen next as the slightest shift in balance will allow the other player to push foward, as well as action happening on multiple fronts meaning that both players must micro well, and i find their ability to continuously macro while having nonstop tiny engagements to be very impressive.

the third game was kind of a let down for me, not because TLO lost, but because the method by which he lost.

A proxy 7 rax is the kind of cheese I believe to be one decided at the toss of a coin. Had it been scouted i am sure it could've been stopped by an able player.

Of course, not checking the mineral line is tlo's own fault and scouting the position last is lucky for dub, but from an observer's point of view that 7 rax build requires little to no skill.

From a strategy point of view, a strategy that relies on your opponent doing something wrong and having perfect luck in random things such as spawning position or how the enemy scouts is, in my opinion, not a good or viable strategy.

As a person who watches these matches for the interesting plays, this kind of strategic execution is some what of a disappointment.

Considering how able both players were, there was no macro going on in the third game, there was no micro (balled up marine that isn't moving doesn't take that much microing I don't think), no such thing as unit composition, and he wasn't even brave enough to pull all SCVs in for a ballsy all in so the manliness factor doesn't come into play either.

All points considered I don't see why that particular game can be considered well played.

[edit] I don't consider all cheeses to require no skill, it's just that a few marines balled up standing there killing stuff isn't too particularly skill intensive...

the strategy was well executed. Its a cheese as going hatch first then pool.

Any strategy that can win a game is a good strategy. In fact watch HDstarcraft's latest cast of

Dimaga vs TLO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4lHPDk_buw

TLO does nearly the same thing to dimaga in the finals.

MY POINT IS: This game is this game. If you don't like how this game works, player another game. The reason why starcraft is so succesful is because it holds competition in every second of the game. There is no "downtime". From scv rush to 200/200 fight.

If you want a laid back chill, macro up, huge army big army clash boom boom.. eh.. is there even a game for that?
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