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Vz0
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada378 Posts
September 20 2010 19:59 GMT
#3041
I do buy the argument that this strategy requires little to no micro. But that is not the fault of cheese that is the fault that Terran overall requires little micro with bioball. Marauder a click and move a click and move. Same for marines.
Sanski
Profile Joined August 2010
United States57 Posts
September 20 2010 20:03 GMT
#3042
On September 21 2010 04:47 Grond wrote:
It's disappointing we didn't get to see a full game on what is by far the best map imo. I felt Hyperdub was a little dishonest in his interview saying he was confident he would win after seeing TLO's play in the first game. If you're confident you are the better player you don't do an All In, especially in a mirror match on Metalopolis.


This...is just plain wrong.

The better player needs to do whatever is necessary to get him the win.
Power Overwhelming
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
September 20 2010 20:03 GMT
#3043
Set 1 was non-describable epic game. Too bad that it couldn't be the best series.

Still, TLO FAITING!!!
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 20 2010 20:05 GMT
#3044
On September 21 2010 05:03 Sanski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:47 Grond wrote:
It's disappointing we didn't get to see a full game on what is by far the best map imo. I felt Hyperdub was a little dishonest in his interview saying he was confident he would win after seeing TLO's play in the first game. If you're confident you are the better player you don't do an All In, especially in a mirror match on Metalopolis.


This...is just plain wrong.

The better player needs to do whatever is necessary to get him the win.


No, that isn't very right either. When you are a better player, and you know it, you play your strengths. Usually that implies a full game where you can outmacro/outmicro/whatever you do against the opponent. When you throw down a cheese that CAN fail if spotted, then regardless of your skill level, you just threw the game away. That is that Grond is getting at.
Yargh
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 20 2010 20:07 GMT
#3045
On September 21 2010 04:03 Glasse wrote:
All of you complaining about cheese make me laugh. If TLO did it himself and won you guys would be all over his cock. He got beat by a perfectly executed cheese. Cheese = part of the game, also i feel like 2 many strats are called cheese...


If you dont' think proxy 2 rax is cheese then I have no idea what is (especially at the natural...)

Either way it wasn't too surprising as hyberdub's early game was better in all 3 games.

I do have to question though in Game 3 maybe I was too tired but didn't hyberdub come on the ramp and scout TLO for a second then pull back? did TLO not see that scv? If he did I am not sure why he scouted all the bases should have known it had to be close positions but maybe he didn't see it which is possible I guess.

Game 1 was crazy though heh I bet hyberdub had to have been kicking himself after losing a game he had won the whole time xD.
When I think of something else, something will go here
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 20 2010 20:09 GMT
#3046
On September 21 2010 05:07 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:03 Glasse wrote:
All of you complaining about cheese make me laugh. If TLO did it himself and won you guys would be all over his cock. He got beat by a perfectly executed cheese. Cheese = part of the game, also i feel like 2 many strats are called cheese...


If you dont' think proxy 2 rax is cheese then I have no idea what is (especially at the natural...)

Either way it wasn't too surprising as hyberdub's early game was better in all 3 games.

I do have to question though in Game 3 maybe I was too tired but didn't hyberdub come on the ramp and scout TLO for a second then pull back? did TLO not see that scv? If he did I am not sure why he scouted all the bases should have known it had to be close positions but maybe he didn't see it which is possible I guess.

Game 1 was crazy though heh I bet hyberdub had to have been kicking himself after losing a game he had won the whole time xD.


Hyperdub got his scv close enough to see the mining effect in the fog - he didn't really see any units from TLO, and thereby TLO didn't see any units from Hyper.
Yargh
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 20:11:10
September 20 2010 20:09 GMT
#3047
On September 21 2010 04:08 Humdrum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:03 SONE wrote:
On September 21 2010 03:43 noobkid wrote:
Hello Tl!

I just watched TLO's Game and I think Hyperdub is a son of a bitch and he's even more ugly than the the guy who translates the Artosis Interviews on GOMTV.





Somebody hurt his hero lost? TLO is good but he lost, get over it. All these people dick riding TLO, he lost please just get over it.

No I don't hate TLO, but people like him for the wrong reasons. It's like people liking idra because he BM's, not because he is a good player.


I'm not sure how this is a similar situation at all. People like TLO because he's one of, if not the most creative and entertaining player in the world. If there's a player that people like for the right reasons, it's TLO.


That's just your opinion, and he has not actually win anything yet. In your mouth, he's like nada already. In BW proscene, this kind of so called talents pop up every month.

hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 20:22:31
September 20 2010 20:14 GMT
#3048
On September 21 2010 04:16 Koukalaka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:12 JinDesu wrote:
lol, in all fairness, the "amazing micro" wasn't really there in the last game. not saying it was a bad game.


Did you watch the Marine micro? TLO had the Marines surrounded by the SCVs and Hyperdub targetted the 'smaller' cluster of SCVs to the right of the main's edge allowing him to move freely around the Barracks while the Bunker was constructed.

Your typical diamond level player would have just auto attacked and lost the Marines to the SCVs. Hyperdub didn't lose a single marine.


I think you assumed wrong, if you have any game sense at all, you will definitely attack the weak side of the SCV line. If you did not, then you are a noob.
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
September 20 2010 20:19 GMT
#3049
On September 21 2010 04:56 Fa1nT wrote:
Should have sent 1 marine to wipe out 12 of Hyper's SCV's, totally worked for Tester.


Jeez, do you have any game sense at all? 1 marine can't even kill 2 out of those 12 SCVs.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 20 2010 20:21 GMT
#3050
On September 21 2010 05:19 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:56 Fa1nT wrote:
Should have sent 1 marine to wipe out 12 of Hyper's SCV's, totally worked for Tester.


Jeez, do you have any game sense at all? 1 marine can't even kill 2 out of those 12 SCVs.


I imagine he was joking.
Yargh
chuky500
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
France473 Posts
September 20 2010 20:22 GMT
#3051
It sucks that it looked so much like cheese but to be honest TLO would also have lost if the 2 early barracks were in Hyperdub's base because he took time to find the right base. I'm not sure but I think he would have lost to the 2 reapers too. If the barracks weren't proxied it wouldn't really be cheese (just like 2 gate compared to proxy 2 gate).

The whole game depended on how hyperdub scouted so I guess it doesn't suck as much now I think about it.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 20 2010 20:26 GMT
#3052
On September 21 2010 05:22 chuky500 wrote:
It sucks that it looked so much like cheese but to be honest TLO would also have lost if the 2 early barracks were in Hyperdub's base because he took time to find the right base. I'm not sure but I think he would have lost to the 2 reapers too. If the barracks weren't proxied it wouldn't really be cheese (just like 2 gate compared to proxy 2 gate).

The whole game depended on how hyperdub scouted so I guess it doesn't suck as much now I think about it.


Except having 2 barracks in your base means you'll have 5 rines at his base when his 5th one gets out - or even a hellion. It is a cheese strat, the 2 proxy rax, but it isn't a BAD strat when used in this way. He wants to win, he needs to win, so he does what he thinks is best to win. Good player.
Yargh
Seze
Profile Joined August 2010
42 Posts
September 20 2010 20:27 GMT
#3053
stupit chess!
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
September 20 2010 20:28 GMT
#3054
TLOwned :D ( too cheap, i just couldnt resist :D)
tilduh
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
September 20 2010 20:32 GMT
#3055
yah, Cheese sucks. i wish TLO had scouted the other way first that's all that would have been required
Energin
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada89 Posts
September 20 2010 20:50 GMT
#3056
On September 20 2010 21:24 Philosophy wrote:
At least Tester will crush Hyperdub in every way possible....


Dude, don't hope for that, if someone puts out your favorite player, hope they win the whole thing to help make your favorite look better. I'm not going to respect hyperdub for the way he won whatsoever, but I hope he wins the whole thing so that TLO's seeding is higher for next season.
timrikwideue!
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
September 20 2010 20:52 GMT
#3057
game 1 was the first TvT that I found exciting to watch so far in SC2, too bad TLO lost in the end. He did have some sloppiness in his unit control though. When hyperdub flew his vikings through the nuke blast I was like...then I lolled
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 20 2010 20:52 GMT
#3058
16 kills for clide's banshe in game 1, sick. Lame early gg from Davit in game 2, even clide was confused, the least you could do is go out in one last battle.

Clide is playing HongUnPrime and I think Clide should win that and we'll likely see ogsEnsnare vs Clide which should be awesome.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
fantomex
Profile Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
September 20 2010 21:00 GMT
#3059
Regardless of whether or not it was cheese or fair, from a spectators point of view it was a lame end to a good series.
Replay or GTFO
tellit
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada53 Posts
September 20 2010 21:03 GMT
#3060
Good attempt TLO! Better luck next season Team Liquid!
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