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GoDannY
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany442 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 14:02:53
September 15 2010 13:54 GMT
#1781
Wow looking at the brackets, only 1 Zerg won his ZvT and advanced so in Ro32 it is 6 Zerg 11 Protoss and 15 Terran. Ok, some of the Zerg got taken out by players who are favoured to win the whole thing but anyways I think that PvZ is the most entertaining matchup so far. Hopefully next season some big names like FantaPrime will give the bracket a deeper picture.
Team LifeStyle - it's more than a game
piegasm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States266 Posts
September 15 2010 13:55 GMT
#1782
I really think IdrA needs to adapt his playstyle a little to be a bit more aggressive. Nibble at the enemy here and there to try and whittle his army down whenever possible. This is of course easier said than done, Zerg don't have any decent "harrass and retreat" units other than the Mutas which are pretty fragile for 100/100 cost.


I feel like IdrA plays not to lose instead of going for wins. There was one match in the IEM Cologne where he went surprisingly agressive against Tarson and totally roflstomped him. He needs to do more of that. It wouldn't need to be every game but doing it here and there would force opponents to consider the possibility. The thing that made Michael Jordan so dangerous was that he could drive the ball OR shoot from range AND had a great fade away. No matter how you defended him, he could still beat you. IdrA has the reputation of being a one trick pony.
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 14:02:23
September 15 2010 13:57 GMT
#1783
On September 15 2010 22:13 The_DjiN wrote:
Going broodlords was surely a mistake. he could have 3 or 4 ultralisks for nearly the same cost, which would have helped out against those forcefields alot. Also missing the hidden expo was just a big blunder.


Not really, he already had spiretech and corruptors out. Broodlords was a much better choice in that situation. The ultras would have taken forever to get also.... stop with the "if he had that unit at that point he would have dont much better" logic. Look at the big picture. Ultras would have taken too much time, and would have cost him more.

@Piegasm: I wouldnt call IdrA a one trick pony. He plays solid macro yes. But he will always attack when he has an opening. The game versus Tarson is a good example, the first game in the series today is also a good example. And he has the reputation of never cheesing or going all in. But thats not being a one trick pony. If that was the case you could call most BW pro's for one trick ponies.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 13:57:21
September 15 2010 13:57 GMT
#1784
On September 15 2010 22:34 klauz619 wrote:

Hydras don't lose half their dps if you do 45 damage to them(unlike 2 marines).

in a mass hydra vs mass marine fight hydras will die nearly as fast as marines so your point only stands for 2 marines vs 1 hydra fight, who cares about it anyway?
FuryX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia495 Posts
September 15 2010 13:59 GMT
#1785
oh idra .

best of luck for the next season, i am sure he took some down notes on his lack of scouting via o/l placement.
as a zerg player i really wanted him to get through!

4 zerg left, i check/cool for the swarm now!

regarding imba comments..i think the ff/colossus move was pretty effective and buying time for protoss and at the same time allowing him to pick units off, and it is also quicker to get this combo over trying to get 2-3 ultra to deal with ff.

His choice of broodlords wasn't terrible tbh, it actually pushed/wiped the protoss army out, but because of the hidden expo/gas, he was able to recover/get voidrays out, and this allowed the protoss to hit back before idra could get his army back up..

also the sf4 announcer was great!

eeeedra!!!
Philosophy
Profile Joined May 2010
186 Posts
September 15 2010 14:00 GMT
#1786
On September 15 2010 22:34 klauz619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
2 Marines have more HP and dps than 1 Hydra and cost no gas.

Hydras don't lose half their dps if you do 45 damage to them(unlike 2 marines).


Hydras lose all their dps if you do 80 damage (unlike 2 marines).


Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
September 15 2010 14:00 GMT
#1787
On September 15 2010 22:54 GoDannY wrote:
only 1 Zerg won his PvT

I lost you there
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 14:03:13
September 15 2010 14:01 GMT
#1788
I cant believe the f$ucking ignorance here from non zerg players even so called pros .

so aparently making a mistake as a zerg will cost a game.

Watch the toss or terran players they do x10 more mistakes than the zerg ones but they dont get punished or the lack of creativity - every terran massing mmm how innovating so far ;p -

Just because u forget in the heat of the battle to scout a base or cause u got a lucky snap in the muta den doesnt mean that zerg should loose the game .

Is like telling me som1 snipe a single baracks and terran lost the game cause of that.

How many times protoss or terrna players dont scout a zerg expansion - do they loose cause of that ? hardly ever

Try play zerg b4 u start the bs no race should get punished like that for a single mistake.



Thing is zerg lacking badly and getting cheese so easy vs air proxies ,thats why they getting owned not becaue of a misscouting or a 20 sec delayed expansion or any other lame excusse u try to make to justify an easy toss or terran win.

onefreeman26
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 14:03:52
September 15 2010 14:03 GMT
#1789
pls no balance posts here, the thread could be half as long...

talk about the actual games played i would say xD
"Thogh we´ve heard of stupid haste of war, cleverness has never been associated with long delays"- Tzun Su
GoDannY
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany442 Posts
September 15 2010 14:04 GMT
#1790
On September 15 2010 23:00 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 22:54 GoDannY wrote:
only 1 Zerg won his PvT

I lost you there

Awww typo :-(
However I intended not to imply any imbalance or something, just an observation that Zerg actually has less huge names like for instance Terran.
Team LifeStyle - it's more than a game
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
September 15 2010 14:08 GMT
#1791
U got to have balance posts in a tournament apparently is like watching a football match and the referee is blatantly helping the one team regardless how good or not the teams will play ur gonna have to discuss it.

same is here imbalances are the helping referee and zerg dont get any
UberThing
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain410 Posts
September 15 2010 14:10 GMT
#1792
Zerg needs more units
Wag1
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 15 2010 14:11 GMT
#1793
On September 15 2010 23:04 GoDannY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:00 Cheerio wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:54 GoDannY wrote:
only 1 Zerg won his PvT

I lost you there

Awww typo :-(
However I intended not to imply any imbalance or something, just an observation that Zerg actually has less huge names like for instance Terran.


In general or in the tournie? IdrA, Cool, Check, Junwi, TheWind, Losira. All ex pro BW or WC3 players. I dont think T has that many big names even if they are over represented. Didnt really count so I cant be sure though :p

klauz619
Profile Joined July 2010
453 Posts
September 15 2010 14:13 GMT
#1794
Hydras lose all their dps if you do 80 damage (unlike 2 marines).


Don't change targets when your enemy is at 10% hp?
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
September 15 2010 14:13 GMT
#1795
I don't really see an 'imbalance' in Idra G3. The army engagements were always pretty even with Zerg actually pushing all the way to the Protoss' natural after destroying a full 200/200 army. The ninja expansion tipped the balance obviously. The extra gas fed the voidray and collossus production. Without it, the voids could never have been made. There's really no excuse for leaving that up for so long. In fact, the Protoss even managed to warp in zealots there to harrass the Zerg's 4th expansion.

Sad to see another Zerg fall but the Protoss took a gamble that game and it paid off.

Maka's games on the other hand. Nothing to say that hasn't been said.

'That's why they're nerfing reapers. LOLOLOL'
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 15 2010 14:14 GMT
#1796
Nice play by Idra in game 1 but going so heavy on roaches was very risky especially when going against double robo, had Lotze been able to survive that assault Idra would've been in a lot of trouble unless he smoothly transitioned to hydra corrupter which isn't easy to do because it requires so much gas and he already spent quite a bit on the roaches.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 15 2010 14:14 GMT
#1797
Where are the infestors? I watched July's game casted by Moletrap on SC2GG, and this one and kept wondering why fungal growth wouldn't help for the Protoss ball. If only for nothing else than to stall and maintain some more map control.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 14:23:57
September 15 2010 14:14 GMT
#1798
I will go against the mob here, but oh well...
- blaming imbalance about idra's loss : i won't even talk about that, I just feel sorry for people doing it.

- blaming imbalance for first maka win : same thing. People are sayigng "he lost his gold and made mistakes but only one mistake from the zerg and it's gg §§§"
Not, he didn't lost his gold. The z put his gold in red health then leaved. Too bad, those imba terrans can repear their buildings So 1mn after this expansion was "destroyed", it was up and running again. That was a critical mistake.
On mitsakes, what were exactly the majors terran's mistakes ? Losing some minor battles and taking a lot of z units in the process ? Perhaps going from 20+ to 4 mutas while not looking was a much bigger mistake ? Ho noes that was imbalance, right. Then losing all those roaches killing 2 marines was imbalance too. There is imbalance in sc2, but this TvZ is not displaying any.

- blaming imbalance on game 2 now. There obviously is, as blizzard will nerf reapers. But the Z made 5 roachs then stoped. Perhaps he was too busy making his expansion over and over again with absolutly no chance of securing it. Yeah, he could have made a second queen to spread creep toward his nat so he can at least fight on creep. But no, reapers are so imba than they'll make people becoming stupid. Perhaps he could have made more than 5 roaches whole game and wait for more creep and roach speed to expand. But no, it's so imbalanced that people lose their common sense. Better losing right now so I can expand right now, right.

Torrentsven
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden51 Posts
September 15 2010 14:18 GMT
#1799
so idra loses cuz of op forcefields. you really should be able to have more than 3~ active forcefields at the time

god damn

IDRA IS STILL BEST PLAYER IDRA FIIIIIIIIIIGHTIIIIIIIIING but he could have scouted a bit better imo but thats easy to say now and for obersvers....
F0Ll0w the line, follow the redline to the sun
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 14:20:32
September 15 2010 14:19 GMT
#1800
So aparently all zerg players are bad and terrans massing mmm or early reapers are great and innovating and all.

Same with vray proxies.

id like to see the same bs - aka he missed a scout or he didnt kill that unit and lost the game bs - when check and cool gets eliminated due to an air proxy or massing mm ,or somehting else lame.

now imagine if zerg could mass roaches hydras in every single game from a wallin base and win tournaments , that would be something
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