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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 21:29:41
September 03 2010 21:27 GMT
#681
On September 04 2010 06:23 Tachion wrote:
I don't play P so I'm just going to take a stab at HuK's decision making but could it be that because Colossus are far less effective once vikings get onto the field that he was just aiming for a small window prior to that? He didn't want to waste gas/min on a range upgrade when he would only be making 1-2 colossus(and later transition into HT)?


that range upgrade gives more to existing collosai on battlefield than geting next un-upgraded collosus. in this situation for sure ( he got many sentries).
Stork[gm]
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 03 2010 21:28 GMT
#682
On September 04 2010 06:23 sleepingdog wrote:
actually I agree with huk on not getting the upgrade....after the first few colossi they are useless because of vikings; so spending 200 gas on an upgrade that will be used just for 1-2 battles isn't really wise


I don't buy that argument. Even if it's true that colossus is completely worthless after the first 1-2 battles, why spend so much on getting that one colossus and robo bay?
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
tosS.ita
Profile Joined May 2010
Italy523 Posts
September 03 2010 21:29 GMT
#683
need the reps!
aka: [Lw]Tropper, tosS[Lw], aiC)tosS, 88han-tosS
Fate77
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary31 Posts
September 03 2010 21:29 GMT
#684
Great showmatch, great casting, few suggestion though.

1. Use Ustream, it can handle lots of ppl (see HDH).
2. Incontrol was too loud, compared too lz. You have to sync volume settings.
3. Dont scroll on the map like you are playing, its too fast. And dont clik on everything.


Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 03 2010 21:30 GMT
#685
On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus.


Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
cyprin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1105 Posts
September 03 2010 21:31 GMT
#686
On September 04 2010 06:30 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus.


Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me.



The colossi are so you don't die and you force vikings.
Three
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan278 Posts
September 03 2010 21:32 GMT
#687
Its not a bad idea to skip the upgrade for 1 or 2 colossi. I would have to see the game again but I think he made morrow spend more on vikings than he did on the colossi, and the colossi got a few shots off before they died, so its money well spent.

I only saw three (unique) things that mattered in the last game:
Huk made a robo and observer so early that he should have lost the game no matter what he did
Morrow had some bad decision making and lost most of his army at Huk's ramp
Huk waited too long while killing a factory to attack morrow
phungus420
Profile Joined October 2008
United States179 Posts
September 03 2010 21:33 GMT
#688
Don't want to get spoiled, so not looking through the thread intensly. Does anyone know if the vod for this showmatch is up, and if so where?
doot
Profile Joined August 2010
5 Posts
September 03 2010 21:33 GMT
#689
video of first 3 games are here
http://www.justin.tv/psyonic/b/269431379
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
September 03 2010 21:33 GMT
#690
I restreamed for the last map there, but really, if you guys want a solid stream without tech issues next time so you can focus on the commentary, we'll be there.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
911insidejob
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States39 Posts
September 03 2010 21:33 GMT
#691
i missed this. vods going to be up?
Few are the men who see with their own eyes and feel with their own heart.
simme123
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Sweden810 Posts
September 03 2010 21:35 GMT
#692
Although I hate morrow's stupid ZvTs which spawned the new annoying reaper trend I must say that his TvP is actually quite .. spectacular it sin't really the build but damn that guy can micro :p
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
September 03 2010 21:36 GMT
#693
HuK didn't really have any other choice than to take out the factory. Enemy buildings draw fire. Had he attacked, Morrow could have floated the fact above his units and easily killed them because all stalkers and sentries would have attacked the factory instead of MorroWs army. The floating factory also prevents you from clicking on units beneath it, which can also mess up an attack. It wasn't about bait, there's no way HuK is that naive.
Foogs
Profile Joined April 2009
40 Posts
September 03 2010 21:37 GMT
#694
On September 04 2010 06:31 cyprin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 06:30 Dionyseus wrote:
On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus.


Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me.



The colossi are so you don't die and you force vikings.


If you're going to try and force vikings why not upgrade hallucinate instead and possibly force a scan / vikings plus get free meat sheilds for sentry energy. You'll save gas and minerals for a stronger army. Ha ha ha.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 03 2010 21:37 GMT
#695
On September 04 2010 06:29 Fate77 wrote:
Great showmatch, great casting, few suggestion though.

1. Use Ustream, it can handle lots of ppl (see HDH).
2. Incontrol was too loud, compared too lz. You have to sync volume settings.
3. Dont scroll on the map like you are playing, its too fast. And dont clik on everything.




1. We will lookinto this. Honestly we are limited by WHO is casting too.. perhaps restreaming will be our thing going forward as well.
2. We had it all set up for the stream but then the original streamer crashed (psyonic) so after that in order to get the showmatch off we had to proceed with emergency streaming.
3. Yeah, that is my/lz's bad. We are certainly players trying to be better casters. I've never done camera work before too so.. gimme some time to get better!

Thanks btw, always appreciate constructive criticism like this.

SORRY FOR THE STREAMS GUYS

reps soon!
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 21:40:27
September 03 2010 21:37 GMT
#696
:O

Great showing, amazing to see 7300 viewers among 3 different streams, that has to be the most viewers I've seen for any single event outside of HDH and Day9's countdown party.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
cyprin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1105 Posts
September 03 2010 21:38 GMT
#697
On September 04 2010 06:37 Foogs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 06:31 cyprin wrote:
On September 04 2010 06:30 Dionyseus wrote:
On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus.


Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me.



The colossi are so you don't die and you force vikings.


If you're going to try and force vikings why not upgrade hallucinate instead and possibly force a scan / vikings plus get free meat sheilds for sentry energy. You'll save gas and minerals for a stronger army. Ha ha ha.


Read the first part of the sentence: "so you don't die." Have you ever played TvP early/mid game? Bio pushes will absolutely crush a gateway army.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 21:43:45
September 03 2010 21:41 GMT
#698
On September 04 2010 06:36 FrogOfWar wrote:
HuK didn't really have any other choice than to take out the factory. Enemy buildings draw fire. Had he attacked, Morrow could have floated the fact above his units and easily killed them because all stalkers and sentries would have attacked the factory instead of MorroWs army. The floating factory also prevents you from clicking on units beneath it, which can also mess up an attack. It wasn't about bait, there's no way HuK is that naive.

great analysis, im impressed
remember, a floating factory is never just a floating factory in starcraft :p hilariously bad of me to lose it tho xd
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
September 03 2010 21:41 GMT
#699
On September 04 2010 06:33 Martijn wrote:
I restreamed for the last map there, but really, if you guys want a solid stream without tech issues next time so you can focus on the commentary, we'll be there.



I hope incontrol reads your post. Would be nice to get a GLHF quality stream for games that awesome
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 03 2010 21:42 GMT
#700
REPLAYS ARE UP IN THE OP AS WELL AS HERE: REPLAYS
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