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www.gosuguide.com is proud to present to you a showmatch between the champions of IEM and MLG Raleigh alike: HuK vs MorroW
Format: Bo7 on standard ladder maps. Starting map will be Lost Temple
>> To the victor goes 200$ <<
when? - 21 CET this coming Friday (3pm EST, 2pm Central, 12pm PST)
How do I watch? - The match will be streamed live HERE
Who will be casting? - This match will be casted by myself, iNcontroL and LzGameR on behalf of my strategy guide: The Gosuguide
A bit about the players:
MorroW - If you have been living under a rock you might have missed the guy that took down IdrA on the grandest stage in Germany. You may be a fresh new SC2 fan that didn't hear of his dominant performance in the TSL2 ladder. MorroW is one of Sweden's most powerful assets in SC2 and he is a terrific player. Look for this terran in the finals of many future events to come!
HuK - Known for his most recent domination of the MLG Raleigh lan where he took out all the top NA players HuK is no stranger to success. One of the current leaders of the NA ladder HuK has been to two lans and won one of them.
The matchup:
These two champions play Protoss (Huk) and Terran (MorroW). Given the map pool we are sure to see some solid games. Standard ladder maps means both these guys have played countless games on these maps and are well versed on what they like to do. Less gimmick, more deciding who is better!
A bit about the sponsor:
The gosuguide is a strategy guide made by myself alongside LzgameR and Machine from the team Evil Geniuses. We compiled over 13 hours of instructional video supplemented with game play videos and helpful graphics highlighting important points. The Gosuguide seeks to be the most comprehensive guide available while maintaining the highest quality from actual professional players. Our guide is a living document, meaning it will constantly be updated with replays, more strategies, videos and additional content even after your 1 time purchase. Give us a look!
TUNE IN FRIDAY 3pm EST on Psyonic Reaver's stream for an amazing duel!
Special thanks to: HuK/Morrow for agreeing to this. PsyonicReaver for streaming. TL for being the best community and all of you for hopefully watching!
RAFFLE LINK HERE
GIVE AWAY: We will be giving away a FREE Siberia V2 headset during the cast, stay tuned!
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Should be a close match! Will certainly watch.
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sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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oooh awesome, I'm looking forward to watching that =)
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and you should do KiWiKaKi vs IdrA next, 2nd vs 2nd 
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Will definitely watch the showmatch.
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Awesome show match. That site definitely needs a legit web developer though... :S
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Just heard about this on LZ's stream and came here to check who the players were. This sounds like a great way to end the work week! Thanks for putting together an exciting showmatch 
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I hope there will be a restream on Ustream, or a mob of angry Europeans with pitchforks will come after you.
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Woohoo. Thanks for making this happen. Is it going to be on American or European servers?
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Nice.
So gosuguide is like those guys who are "pros" and write guides teaching your their "tips, tricks and secrets" from being an oh so pro DIAMOND league player, except you guys are actually good and actually teach them how to play?
Good idea.
I mean the quote from the dude actually said "mechanics". No dude, starcraft is a strategy game. You gotta use good strategy to beat your opponent!!!
Anyway, PvT is a bit eugh, but should be interesting nonetheless.
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Sweet! Cant wait to tune in ^^
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United States6531 Posts
Hell yeah. This'll be awesome! Now I just gotta remember to tune in on time.
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awesome showmatch, I'm going to have to pull for morrow in this one though , the destroyer of idra ! =p
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Ooo both the winners going at it, definatly tuning in, HuK fighting!
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Epic showmatch. Looking forward to this.
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Dude.. Huk's race, is "Huk". Go Huk! Canada! STORMUUU!
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Looking forward to it, will definately tune in!
Btw Inc, will this be The Show of a Lifetime(TM)?
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"with a 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee"
isnt that kinda risky for a product like this? 30 days should be more than enough to go through the whole thing and just give it back
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May tune in
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iNcontroL
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On September 01 2010 03:30 maJes wrote:
Looking forward to it, will definately tune in!
Btw Inc, will this be The Show of a Lifetime(TM)?
That is a patented CHILL AND INCONTROL event only.. this will be a great event, but of a lifetime? certainly not.
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Just hope the casters don't knock each other out.
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Wow...$100 for a guide of common sense and stuff I can learn for free just browsing TL.
EDIT: Im probably just jealous that idiots are buying this stuff and putting money into your pockets.
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AWESOME!!!!!!!
I'm rooting for Huk, but I think Morrow will take it
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My BradyGames guide only got me to Gold, but with GosuGuide my apm tripled and I was able to reach mid platinum. Thanks http://www.GosuGuide.com !
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You can't buy experience ^^.
I'll be rooting for MorroW in this one I think. I don't like him for slaughtering idrA but he did infact defeat the currently best performing win rate wise player. HuK I don't know much about aside from him being known in the beta to be a fourgater. I don't like four gaters much.
GAH! I don't like fourgates and I don't like five raxers. I can't decide which one I hate more.
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On September 01 2010 03:44 Chaosvuistje wrote:
GAH! I don't like fourgates and I don't like five raxers. I can't decide which one I hate more.
6poolers!
definately gonna watch it, go morrow!
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On September 01 2010 03:44 Chaosvuistje wrote:
You can't buy experience ^^.
I'll be rooting for MorroW in this one I think. I don't like him for slaughtering idrA but he did infact defeat the currently best performing win rate wise player. HuK I don't know much about aside from him being known in the beta to be a fourgater. I don't like four gaters much.
GAH! I don't like fourgates and I don't like five raxers. I can't decide which one I hate more.
He's been shying away from the 4gate recently if he can manage it. In one of the last games of MLG in Raleigh he had an awesome 3gate + phoenix heroic defense against a 4gate which ended in him pushing out, wiping the opponent's colossus with 5 phoenixes, and lifting 5 of the remaining stalkers to secure the win. It was really exciting and made me like HuK even more.
EDIT: maybe someone can help me find the replay since I'm at work and scrolling through videos seems like a bad idea :D
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yay bo7, i can't remember last time i saw something like this.
Hopefully this is not a TvT :p
go viking kid! (morrow :p )
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These guys have met so much latley in all the tours, gonna be fun to watch ^^;
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NA VS EUROPE. Go HuK!!! smack down that smug swede!!
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iNcontroL
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On September 01 2010 03:33 Enox wrote:
"with a 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee"
isnt that kinda risky for a product like this? 30 days should be more than enough to go through the whole thing and just give it back
Certainly there is room to abuse this. The hope of course is that if people genuinely enjoy the product they won't feel the need to return it and would happily support something they benefited from.
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meh, how many rax this time?
my vote goes to huk
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On September 01 2010 03:21 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Special thanks to: HuK/Morrow for agreeing to this.
who wouldn't agree for this.
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FFFFFFFFFFFF I'll be working. I'll wait for replays/vods? T^T
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iNcontroL
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On September 01 2010 03:52 Ownos wrote:
FFFFFFFFFFFF I'll be working. I'll wait for replays/vods? T^T
Yeah we will youtube the cast and make replays available for DL following the event.
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On September 01 2010 03:33 Enox wrote:
"with a 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee"
isnt that kinda risky for a product like this? 30 days should be more than enough to go through the whole thing and just give it back
Almost every product these days has this, and more so, many promise 90day no questions asked money back. Thing is, most people wont ask for this, even though they did not like the product that much.
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Denmark10305 Posts
MLG winner vs IEM winner, can't get better then that
i love you Incontrol :3
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Sweet show match! Thanks a ton.
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not that theres anything wrong with lz's livestream, but could someone with a high quality ustream account also stream this? like glhf.tv?
i am really looking forward to watching this and id hate to deal with livestream's commercials during an important battle
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On September 01 2010 04:10 s2pid_loser wrote:
not that theres anything wrong with lz's livestream, but could someone with a high quality ustream account also stream this? like glhf.tv?
i am really looking forward to watching this and id hate to deal with livestream's commercials during an important battle
"Please stop digging." --the most annoying kid I've seen in a commercial in a long long time. Ugh.
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Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date
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Can't wait. Definitely will be watching this one. Probably going to be lots of viewers, might be a good idea, to have some back up steams just in case.
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Will definitely watch, checked out the sponsor though and oh my god, $100 for 13 hours of video?! :O blows the mind considering it will probably be all in the strategy section.
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On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date
the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me
in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment)
Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of
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On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of
i disagree with that. the guys who would spend money on such a guide are not the guys who wanne make money with SC2. its the average silver-gold player who just wants to get better.
such a guide will maybe help you to get in diamond league but it wont make you a pro gamer
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Go Morrow!
Scandinavia fighting! ^^
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Go MorroW. I do hope he wont do the same build over and over as he did v idra in the IEM finals
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ok i really have nothing against Machine and iNcontroL and i really like your playstyles, but lol at the gosuguide.. 100$ for 30days? Goodluck with it and the showmatch
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On September 01 2010 04:38 Enox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of i disagree with that. the guys who would spend money on such a guide are not the guys who wanne make money with SC2. its the average silver-gold player who just wants to get better. such a guide will maybe help you to get in diamond league but it wont make you a pro gamer
Not to mention the awful site design.......
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YEAAAAAAAAAA GO HUK SHOW EVERYONE WHOS THE BEST FOREIGNER
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On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of
the difference between you Fayth and the general SC2 player, it's that they didn't play poker and made thousands and thousands of money out of it. 100$ is a lot for any teenagers/college students which is most of the sc2 community.
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great, but LZs stream is laggy so often when there are many ppl watching :/
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On September 01 2010 04:01 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 03:33 Enox wrote:
"with a 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee"
isnt that kinda risky for a product like this? 30 days should be more than enough to go through the whole thing and just give it back Almost every product these days has this, and more so, many promise 90day no questions asked money back. Thing is, most people wont ask for this, even though they did not like the product that much.
Having a policy that allows unhappy customers to regain their money is the staple of any good company. Regaurdless of whether or not people use the policy its existence alone is proof of moral dealings.
As a store owner I will tell you that having a 30 day no questions asked return policy is heartbreaking to maintain. Esp after you get abused by a couple people back to back.
Right on EG, I hope you get to be the face of the sc2 strategy guide scene. Incontrols level of articulation alone make any guide usefull to people up to a certain level. And jake is very attractive.
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Doesnt LZ's stream almost die with lag post 1000 viewers?
Otherwise thanks for organising this it will be awesome :>
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On September 01 2010 04:51 YunhOLee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of the difference between you Fayth and the general SC2 player, it's that they didn't play poker and made thousands and thousands of money out of it. 100$ is a lot for any teenagers which is most of the sc2 community.
Haha, from what I can tell, most of the TL community is composed of college students. We have real things to pay for and are generally broke. Teenagers can borrow money from mom and dad. :D
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This is definitely going to be epic. Have you guys considered doing a reverse race bo5 between Idra (or even Artosis) vs a top Terran player (Morrow/DeMuslim/etc)? I think that would be a lot of fun as well.
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On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of
The market for poker guides and software is different, they are primarily aimed as supplements to make winning players more effective players. I realize that you don't need to be told that
But no beginner who plays micro stakes is going to buy that $2500 guide nor would any experienced poker player recommend it to them. They'd tell them to pick up whatever is the hottest book by some seasoned pro like Barry Greenstein for 8 bucks at Chapters.
If the $100 guide was for diamond level players to turn them into tournament level players, that would be different entirely. But it's not, and if it was, my criticism would be even more relevant, who are Inc and Machine to tell people how to win tournaments in Starcraft 2?
This thread is gonna get shit up really fast I think over this, and for that I apologize in advance. I'll just say that when people start treating the community as potential customers and are trying to sell us things, that I feel entitled to treat them not as community members but as sales people. I think the general tenets of supporting the community and the endeavors of its members go out the window and you treat them as you would any other small business or would be entrepreneur. If I think it's a sour deal I won't pretend otherwise.
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I'll just say that when people start treating the community as potential customers and are trying to sell us things, that I feel entitled to treat them not as community members but as sales people
Just look at it as a good showmatch then, at least they're making an attempt to contribute back to the community.
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On September 01 2010 04:59 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of This thread is gonna get shit up really fast I think over this, and for that I apologize in advance. I'll just say that when people start treating the community as potential customers and are trying to sell us things, that I feel entitled to treat them not as community members but as sales people. I think the general tenets of supporting the community and the endeavors of its members go out the window and you treat them as you would any other small business or would be entrepreneur. If I think it's a sour deal I won't pretend otherwise.
that's kind of ignoring that they are giving u showmatches like this one.. for free
(technically it's costing them $200)
I think skipping over a paragraph if you don't want to read it is a small price to pay for a bo7 showmatch betwen 2 great players
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It's a bit like the Supercup of SC2. This gonna be a clash of the titans!
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On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of
How is buying their guide an investment? Reading it won't magically turn you into a tournament winning player.
They can charge whatever price they think is fair, but to call it an investment makes no sense.
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On September 01 2010 05:12 Skeyser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of How is buying their guide an investment? Reading it won't magically turn you into a tournament winning player. They can charge whatever price they think is fair, but to call it an investment makes no sense.
No one says it will turn you into a tournament winning player, but it will probably turn you in a better player, hence the usage of investement is correct.
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Awesome, can't wait.
Side note...has anyone purchased the Gosuguide and can recommend it? I am always looking for little things to push my SC2 play, but the 100$ price tag is making me hesitant to pull the trigger.
Really hard to convince myself to purchase something that is twice as much as the game when I will be going from a decent diamond player, to above average diamond player? I bet if the guide was around 50$ a ton more people would be willing to pay, it would make it much more casual friendly. Which seems as if it would be the biggest market, people who are in silver / gold really want to get better and a really good guide is just what they need. But these people are the ones who look at 100$ as "Hum I could go buy another xbox game..." Just my opinion...who knows maybe your selling them like crazy.
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Is this showmatch taking the place of the gosucoaching weekly this week? =\
Regardless, gl huk/morrow, hoping for some good long games
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Get day9 to broadcast it =p
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On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of
Yea however people wholl watch this guide wont be making profit. And neither Inc nor Machine are exactly of CTS stature.
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On September 01 2010 04:54 ThePowerHour wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:51 YunhOLee wrote:On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of the difference between you Fayth and the general SC2 player, it's that they didn't play poker and made thousands and thousands of money out of it. 100$ is a lot for any teenagers which is most of the sc2 community. Haha, from what I can tell, most of the TL community is composed of college students. We have real things to pay for and are generally broke. Teenagers can borrow money from mom and dad. :D
mom and dad would've kicked my ass if asked them for 100$ to buy some video game guide
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"Who will be casting? - This match will be casted by myself, iNcontroL and LzGameR on behalf of my strategy guide: The Gosuguide." Who is the "myself" in this sentence? There is three casters?
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the showmatch sound awesome but that stream is far from good. It's so laggy. just check it out right now!
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I would be excited, but this seems like a tvp with the same mmm and protoss trying to counter matchup. I'm sorry, but I don't really find SC2 to be all that interesting to watch
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What's with all this guide bashing? I mean they host an event between 2 great players and mention their sponsor ( their 'company' ), Liquid does the same in the Liquid weeklies too. You don't need to check it out, and you certainly don't need to bash the sponsor because they try to help the community with real care (not some google ad bs). Someone can afford to pay for an exclusive guide like this, but can't afford to browse the Liquipedia, watch replays and streams all the time. This guide is for them, not for the people who are 1000+ diamond or certainly can achieve what the guide offers just doesn't feel to do so. Geez.
And some ontopic : can't wait for this, gogo HuK!
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On September 01 2010 04:38 Enox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Youre 100% right here. Although for ppl with too much money on their hands/rich kids its a good thing i guess.. meh. Also, Fayth as a poker player, try to put at least a little thought in your statements. Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of i disagree with that. the guys who would spend money on such a guide are not the guys who wanne make money with SC2. its the average silver-gold player who just wants to get better. such a guide will maybe help you to get in diamond league but it wont make you a pro gamer
Youre 100% right here. Although for ppl with too much money on their hands/rich kids its a good thing i guess.. meh.
Also, Fayth as a poker player, try to put at least a little thought in your statements.
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Im looking forward to this showmatch :D wonder what builds huk's gonna come up vs morrow...
About the guide's 30 day policy I think it's supported by the fact that it states that it is going to be updated and have new content. I do think though that it's overpriced. Doesn't seem inc and the others know whos exactly their target costumers. Theres much more important things to buy with 100 bucks than buying a guide for a video game thats most likely never be productive for the consumer...if you are gonna target tlers, 100 bucks is not the equilibrium price, I can assure you that. Lets say out of 100 peeps 10 would pay $100, about 55 would pay $45, and about 85 of those 100 would pay $15...your strat feels like you are targeting those 10 people, which is clearly not the optimum sales price !
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I'll definitely tune in for this showmatch
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Guys focus on the showmatch. That is what this is primarily about.
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Hope you make some VOD's because I can't see this live 
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Oh man, can you guys talk about random stuff for about 30 minutes before the games. I can't quite make it home in time!
I'll ask HuK to stall, he's a fellow Canadian. We stick together.
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i hope the shiny aliens defeat the perverted earthlings this time around! go HuK!!
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On September 01 2010 06:38 GenoZStriker wrote:
Guys focus on the showmatch. That is what this is primarily about.
This. If you think the guide is far too ovepriced there's the option of.. y'know, not buying it. Instead you're getting a showmatch with two really top tier players, what's there to complain about?
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I am so watching this, i'm lucky i have fridays off ;p
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I appreciate the criticism and such guys.. we are proud of our product and we know it will stand to the criticism.
As far as pricing goes we figure 13 hours of commentary aided by multiple visual elements including graphics and in game play video as well as additional content like replay packs, round table discussions and Q&A sessions with various top gamers AS WELL AS the "living document" aspect which is a continual update of additional videos, commentary, replays etc.. seems to be fairly well priced. Especially given the fact that most coaches are 30$ an hour or more (Nony is 40$) so 13 hours is immediately a tremendous value.
In any case this won't matter to a lot and it will be outrageous that we are charging any money at all.. to those I want to say "sorry!" but we are trying to grow something we believe strongly in If at the end of the day you get to witness weekly showmatches with top players while we try and advertise something.. doesn't seem like a bad exchange to me?
PS: I will update the OP but we will be raffling off guides during the cast FOR FREE
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On September 01 2010 07:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:In any case this won't matter to a lot and it will be outrageous that we are charging any money at all.. to those I want to say "sorry!" but we are trying to grow something we believe strongly in If at the end of the day you get to witness weekly showmatches with top players while we try and advertise something.. doesn't seem like a bad exchange to me?
This is going to be a weekly thing?
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Totally a HuK fan here but I think the terran will have a slightly upper hand. Should be interesting though and can't wait to watch!
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On September 01 2010 07:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:I appreciate the criticism and such guys.. we are proud of our product and we know it will stand to the criticism. As far as pricing goes we figure 13 hours of commentary aided by multiple visual elements including graphics and in game play video as well as additional content like replay packs, round table discussions and Q&A sessions with various top gamers AS WELL AS the "living document" aspect which is a continual update of additional videos, commentary, replays etc.. seems to be fairly well priced. Especially given the fact that most coaches are 30$ an hour or more (Nony is 40$) so 13 hours is immediately a tremendous value. In any case this won't matter to a lot and it will be outrageous that we are charging any money at all.. to those I want to say "sorry!" but we are trying to grow something we believe strongly in If at the end of the day you get to witness weekly showmatches with top players while we try and advertise something.. doesn't seem like a bad exchange to me? PS: I will update the OP but we will be raffling off guides during the cast FOR FREE
It's probably the same haters that said gosucamp was the dumbest idea ever. I doubt I'd really get too much out of the guide currently but I would have seriously considered it when I first started at SC2. Also this is like the best of the best for a show match. So feel free to tell me about the gosuguide in between every map if you're letting me see huk and morrow.
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On September 01 2010 07:14 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 07:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:In any case this won't matter to a lot and it will be outrageous that we are charging any money at all.. to those I want to say "sorry!" but we are trying to grow something we believe strongly in If at the end of the day you get to witness weekly showmatches with top players while we try and advertise something.. doesn't seem like a bad exchange to me? This is going to be a weekly thing?
There will be multiple show matches and it will probably happen on a weekly basis at least for the near future yes.
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Shouldn't this be in the tourney section?
looks fun though.
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Cheesy Terran vs. Cheesy protoss, should be a hella lot of fun to watch! And yeah tournament section^^
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perhaps you guys are right moved
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On September 01 2010 05:12 Skeyser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of How is buying their guide an investment? Reading it won't magically turn you into a tournament winning player. They can charge whatever price they think is fair, but to call it an investment makes no sense.
Well to me anything that is used to become better can be considered as an investment, let's say you pay to go to the gym, you're basically investing on your well being.
I wasn't trying to sound rude nor was I trying to brag, I was just thinking 100$ wasn't that big of a deal for some guide to get better at a game you're probably going to spend more than 500 hours playing
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I likes. See you on Friday.
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Can't wait! I like both these players. Should be some awesome games.
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imagine huk with those two hot girls at IEM...
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This is hype! Gogo 1a2a3aMorroW
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This will be the show of a lifetime.
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No offense to LZ's stream, but is there anyway we could get it on something that isn't piece of shit Livestream. I mean he even said once you get more than 1500 people, there's nothing he can do to stop it from lagging, so I can only imagine what is going to happen when this goes on.
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On September 01 2010 10:03 keeblur wrote:
No offense to LZ's stream, but is there anyway we could get it on something that isn't piece of shit Livestream. I mean he even said once you get more than 1500 people, there's nothing he can do to stop it from lagging, so I can only imagine what is going to happen when this goes on.
hmm I will talk to him about this. If for some reason it is too laggy we will have a surrogate streamer and cast from there.
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On September 01 2010 10:09 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:03 keeblur wrote:
No offense to LZ's stream, but is there anyway we could get it on something that isn't piece of shit Livestream. I mean he even said once you get more than 1500 people, there's nothing he can do to stop it from lagging, so I can only imagine what is going to happen when this goes on. hmm I will talk to him about this. If for some reason it is too laggy we will have a surrogate streamer and cast from there.
I recommend the amazing folks from glhf.tv. Amazing stream quality and awesome people in general. :D
On topic Sweet tournament idea and I love that you guys are going to be doing showmatches weekly. Looking forward to it.
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Well, I guess I don't really need to sleep Friday night.
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On September 01 2010 10:09 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:03 keeblur wrote:
No offense to LZ's stream, but is there anyway we could get it on something that isn't piece of shit Livestream. I mean he even said once you get more than 1500 people, there's nothing he can do to stop it from lagging, so I can only imagine what is going to happen when this goes on. hmm I will talk to him about this. If for some reason it is too laggy we will have a surrogate streamer and cast from there.
true your going to be getting a lot of people watching i hope you could use gunrun stream i can then watch it on hd kick back with some people over !
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Thanks for putting on this showmatch! Can't wait.
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Go Huk!! you have fans in NZ
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3 pm EST?
I'm not back from work yet...push it back to 6pm EST >_>
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On September 01 2010 05:24 LagT_T wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 05:12 Skeyser wrote:On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of How is buying their guide an investment? Reading it won't magically turn you into a tournament winning player. They can charge whatever price they think is fair, but to call it an investment makes no sense. No one says it will turn you into a tournament winning player, but it will probably turn you in a better player, hence the usage of investement is correct.
Being a better player will not yield you money, so no it's not an investment.
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On September 01 2010 11:49 Skeyser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 05:24 LagT_T wrote:On September 01 2010 05:12 Skeyser wrote:On September 01 2010 04:27 Fayth wrote:On September 01 2010 04:20 floor exercise wrote:
Not to hate on your parade, I think a guide is a great idea, even if the resources are definitely available to anyone who wants to go take the time to compile it all from multiple sources. Having everything in one place and coming from a legit source is a good idea. Not so sure about that price point though. Even if you were the most successful player in SC2 (like say, TLO) the price would seem absurd, and neither of you have to my recollection won even come top 3 in an actual SC2 tournament to date the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me in poker there was this guide with Cole South as a co-writer, they were selling it at 2500$ I think (The point is you're gonna make money so It's an investment) Think of it as an investment for the gosuguide too, on a smaller scale kind of How is buying their guide an investment? Reading it won't magically turn you into a tournament winning player. They can charge whatever price they think is fair, but to call it an investment makes no sense. No one says it will turn you into a tournament winning player, but it will probably turn you in a better player, hence the usage of investement is correct. Being a better player will not yield you money, so no it's not an investment.
definition from http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/investment
investment
the act of putting money, effort, time, etc. into something to make a profit or get an advantage, or the money, effort, time, etc. used to do this.
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Lets go Canada!
HuK > MorroW.
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sweet!... thanks for making this happen.... Huk Fighting!
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Is this still being hosted on Lz's stream?
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Go Morrow
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PvT is probably my favorite matchup to watch and HuK is one of my favorite Protoss players to watch. This should be good!
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Woooot!
PvT is the matchup I know the least about. But I've been planning to practice my Toss a bit. This will do nicely
Good luck to the both of you!
Will this also require a 30 dollar seasonal fee? I kid, I kid
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Sweet, I'm actually more excited for this than Flash VS Jaedong in the MSL, lol. HuK fighting!
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HuK thrashed terrans at MLG. Morrow thrashed zergs (very good zergs tho) at IEM.
Huk is not a zerg but morrow is a terran therefore...GO HUK!
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anyone who buys this, deserves it.
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battle of two champions! i personally think huk is unstoppable in his current form.
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On September 02 2010 01:11 -_- wrote:
I understand this thread is about a showmatch, but since gosuguide.com is "proud to present it," I think talking about gosuguide for a bit is fair game.
Let's start with with some quotes from the site.
Wow. Go do something productive.
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delete, my bad wrong thread
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Nice payout... for a quick days work.. (assuming you win)
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On September 02 2010 01:10 Crissaegrim wrote:
HuK thrashed terrans at MLG. Morrow thrashed zergs (very good zergs tho) at IEM.
Huk is not a zerg but morrow is a terran therefore...GO HUK!
what terran did huk thrash
i only saw him vs cauthon which he won 2-1 but it looked like cauthon played pretty poorly♦
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On September 02 2010 02:20 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 01:10 Crissaegrim wrote:
HuK thrashed terrans at MLG. Morrow thrashed zergs (very good zergs tho) at IEM.
Huk is not a zerg but morrow is a terran therefore...GO HUK! what terran did huk thrash i only saw him vs cauthon which he won 2-1 but it looked like cauthon played pretty poorly♦
I know, I said it in a joking manner. I myself cant recall the names of those terrans. But I rate Huk higher than morrow even if morrow wins it tomorrow because at least huk's games are entertaining while watching morrow makes me go =/ meh.
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Awwww hell motherHuK'n yeah. HuK that mothaHuKka up HuK doggy dogg.
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On September 02 2010 02:30 Crissaegrim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 02:20 travis wrote:On September 02 2010 01:10 Crissaegrim wrote:
HuK thrashed terrans at MLG. Morrow thrashed zergs (very good zergs tho) at IEM.
Huk is not a zerg but morrow is a terran therefore...GO HUK! what terran did huk thrash i only saw him vs cauthon which he won 2-1 but it looked like cauthon played pretty poorly♦ I know, I said it in a joking manner. I myself cant recall the names of those terrans. But I rate Huk higher than morrow even if morrow wins it tomorrow because at least huk's games are entertaining while watching morrow makes me go =/ meh.
Doesn't matter how entertaining players are. Wins are wins no matter how you get them (relative to entertainment value). HuK is a great Protoss player, probably my favorite. I'll be rooting for HuK, but I expect MorroW to win.
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Sounds like a great event. Looking forward to seeing it.
Really wish it wasnt Lz co casting, that dude is a pretentious douche bag.
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On September 02 2010 02:34 Alou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 02:30 Crissaegrim wrote:On September 02 2010 02:20 travis wrote:On September 02 2010 01:10 Crissaegrim wrote:
HuK thrashed terrans at MLG. Morrow thrashed zergs (very good zergs tho) at IEM.
Huk is not a zerg but morrow is a terran therefore...GO HUK! what terran did huk thrash i only saw him vs cauthon which he won 2-1 but it looked like cauthon played pretty poorly♦ I know, I said it in a joking manner. I myself cant recall the names of those terrans. But I rate Huk higher than morrow even if morrow wins it tomorrow because at least huk's games are entertaining while watching morrow makes me go =/ meh. Doesn't matter how entertaining players are. Wins are wins no matter how you get them (relative to entertainment value, not like a "if you cheat and win its still a win" kinda thing). HuK is a great Protoss player, probably my favorite. I'll be rooting for HuK, but I expect MorroW to win.
Exactly, thats why I say "I rate", its my opinion on why I would rather watch huk play than morrow assuming they were in different matches and you could only watch one. Wins are wins but there are reasons why people still cheer for their underdogs.
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Show of a lifetimeeeeeee
come one come all!
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Your website is the sketchiest thing in the world :p Thanks for bringing such a great show match though.
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awesome sauce, terran toss wars are the best mu and with 2 of the best players representing the races this is really gonna show what race is on top of the triangle
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the price isn't absurd, 100$ looks fine to me
agreed
I have a friend who is a professional poker player and takes lessons for 500$ an hour; probably not even close to what you have to pay for the "real" pimps lol;
considering that for the same 100$ you would only be able to afford two months of GSL it seems worth it for anybody who thinks he needs this kinda advice; also just think about other stuff: when I was learning how to play tennis I payed 20 bucks per hour - meaning for 100 I could play 5 hours with a random no-name coach who has never been even close to "anything at all"
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MorroW has whined in every single tournament I've watched him from a stream in now (3 tournies) and HuK proclaimed himself a SC2 god before most of the pros are going to hit the scene, and both play cheesy as heck. Pretty hard to root for either, but no doubt its very entertaining to watch two giant egos clash, only one giant ego can prevail!
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im calling 4-2 for MorroW
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On September 02 2010 08:16 forgottendreams wrote:
MorroW has whined in every single tournament I've watched him from a stream in now (3 tournies) and HuK proclaimed himself a SC2 god before most of the pros are going to hit the scene, and both play cheesy as heck. Pretty hard to root for either, but no doubt its very entertaining to watch two giant egos clash, only one giant ego can prevail!
MorroW actually plays to the macro side of things a lot of time, his reaper attacks are not all ins. Calling him cheesy is really bad form, same thing for huk. Both have the ability to play macro style, but for strategic reasons do not. MorroW's lategame is pretty beastly and he did try hard to develop Fast Expand / Macro heavy builds in all matchups.
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On September 02 2010 11:11 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 08:16 forgottendreams wrote:
MorroW has whined in every single tournament I've watched him from a stream in now (3 tournies) and HuK proclaimed himself a SC2 god before most of the pros are going to hit the scene, and both play cheesy as heck. Pretty hard to root for either, but no doubt its very entertaining to watch two giant egos clash, only one giant ego can prevail! MorroW actually plays to the macro side of things a lot of time, his reaper attacks are not all ins. Calling him cheesy is really bad form, same thing for huk. Both have the ability to play macro style, but for strategic reasons do not. MorroW's lategame is pretty beastly and he did try hard to develop Fast Expand / Macro heavy builds in all matchups.
Well you said it yourself, they both have the ability to play macro but choose not to for many reasons which are reasonable, to shorten their games, to be aggressive, to rattle opponents. I was merely stating they tend to play cheesy (5rax reaper is not all-in, its cheesy and questionably cheap but works) from what I've seen of them of the last few tournaments, and I personally don't like the style. I don't deny they have the capability to play macro but with both I've noticed they don't play so well in longer games.
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I think a lot of the stigma about huk being a 4 gate all in player is from early beta or w/e.. he was about as straight up as they come at MLG. morrow too
Going to be an amazing series.
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Ugh that's like 4am for me
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On September 03 2010 01:36 {88}iNcontroL wrote:I think a lot of the stigma about huk being a 4 gate all in player is from early beta or w/e.. he was about as straight up as they come at MLG. morrow too Going to be an amazing series.
Yeah what the hell?
Watching MLG Kiwikaki was the one who went all-in every single game whilst Huk played a standard, solid game every single time.
And Morrow is incredibly macro-orientated; like in that IEM game vs Dimaga on scrap station where he got a HUGE lead with reapers and macroed instead of following up, eventually losing.
Both players play a solid style and are at the absolute peak of SC2 gamers right now, it should be a great showmatch.
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Going to be an amazing series.
Yeah what the hell?
Watching MLG Kiwikaki was the one who went all-in every single game whilst Huk played a standard, solid game every single time.
And Morrow is incredibly macro-orientated; like in that IEM game vs Dimaga on scrap station where he got a HUGE lead with reapers and macroed instead of following up, eventually losing.
Both players play a solid style and are at the absolute peak of SC2 gamers right now, it should be a great showmatch.[/QUOTE]
think so too - I would love to know where ppl are getting the impression that Huk is an all-in player; I have rarely see him 4-gate at all since release
also Morrow may have abused reapers vs Zerg (and perhaps still is abusing them) but this has nothing to do with his TvP which is really macro-oriented and overall perfectly solid; don't know what's up with everybody, those are two of the most highly-regarded representatives of their races respectively and I expect nothing but an exciting series
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so still no plans to find someone with a hq stream like glhf.tv's ustream to also stream this?
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no we are going to be using the stream provided by lzgamer unless we have tremendous lag issues in which case we will use a stream of someone close by 
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wow, huk vs morrow in a bo7?*insertdroolsmilie^1000*
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This is excellent. I might get out of work early on Friday, hopefully I can check some of this out.
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OP updated with link to PSYONIC REAVER's stream.
He will be the camera man so to speak and his stream will be utilized. Lz's has some problems so hopefully this will avoid any problem in terms of lag/watching etc.
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Awesome stuff. Psyonic has great quality. Thanks Inc!
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Are there gonna be VOD and/or replay because I wont be able to watch it live
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reps 100% vods I will try!
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Awesome casting combo!! Will be tuning in for sure =)
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Getting excited, can't wait
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On September 03 2010 06:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
reps 100% vods I will try!
I´m at college at the time of the event... crap. Maybe LzGaMeR can at least put the cast on-demand for the people that can´t make it,
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In about 4 hours Morrow's gonna get Huk smashed! I predict 4-2 Huk *opensbottleofbeer* Yep...
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Should be good. Googog Morrow!
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After Seeing Huk Literally Smash his way thru MLG im Rooting for Huk here.
Huk Has Proven that can can adapt and has grown as a player.
Add The Fact that its pretty hard to 5 rax reaper a toss player....
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Incontrol shoulda edited the OP.. PsyonicReaver's Stream will be the location.. he will be the camra guy for this Event.. me and Incontrol will be casting.
Good luck to both the players~
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This is the showmatch of a lifetime.
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This match is gonna be incredible. 2 of the best players atm, with incontrol castnig. wowowowowo. So pumped for this.
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gl huk ) these showmatches r great. love how ppl only see me as a 5rax reaper cheesy newb :D reminds me of sc1 during the tsl ladder
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Hopefully justin.tv won't crap out on all the EU viewers(like me). I'd have the batphone ready with GLHF.tv just in case. Would be kinda awful not to have the EU scene being able to watch it when there's a Swede playing.
Just my €0.02
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On September 04 2010 00:20 MorroW wrote:
gl huk ) these showmatches r great. love how ppl only see me as a 5rax reaper cheesy newb :D reminds me of sc1 during the tsl ladder
Just so I can steal your build MorroW would you please 1Rax FE into Marine/Banshee play. I can't find a replay of you doing it but I've heard about it
Oh yeah, MorroW fighting
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On September 04 2010 00:24 MrNuby wrote:
Hopefully justin.tv won't crap out on all the EU viewers(like me). I'd have the batphone ready with GLHF.tv just in case. Would be kinda awful not to have the EU scene being able to watch it when there's a Swede playing.
Just my €0.02
Unfortunately this is very likely. I often get the message that there are too many people from my country watching and with a Swede playing the chances of being able to watch this on justin.tv are close to nil.
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On September 03 2010 02:12 sleepingdog wrote:
think so too - I would love to know where ppl are getting the impression that Huk is an all-in player; I have rarely see him 4-gate at all since release
also Morrow may have abused reapers vs Zerg (and perhaps still is abusing them) but this has nothing to do with his TvP which is really macro-oriented and overall perfectly solid; don't know what's up with everybody, those are two of the most highly-regarded representatives of their races respectively and I expect nothing but an exciting series
Idra said he all-ins every game -> half of TL thinks he all-ins every game.
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Was excited about this, then I heard about a raffle. FOR FREE STUFF. Then I was even more excited.
Gooo Huk!
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Starts in approx 2 and half hours correct?
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man im torn between my fellow canadian and a fellow terran.
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UPDATE
We are now giving away a FREE Siberia V2 headset as well!
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On September 04 2010 01:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
UPDATE
We are now giving away a FREE Siberia V2 headset as well!
This is during a quiz for one of my classes and I want a new headset. Stop tempting me to fail. Jerk.
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On September 04 2010 00:20 MorroW wrote:
gl huk ) these showmatches r great. love how ppl only see me as a 5rax reaper cheesy newb :D reminds me of sc1 during the tsl ladder
no worries, every players who's apt to judge someone's skill at a higher level knows you're not only a 5rax reaper cheesy newb, even if like Idra would say so it would only be out of spite, you've got some skills, keep it up and good luck for this showmatch
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On September 04 2010 01:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
UPDATE
We are now giving away a FREE Siberia V2 headset as well!
I like how you have to pick your race for the raffle signup; Terran players will automatically be filtered out of the pool .
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or will automatically win the pool either one lol
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Feeling lucky today, got the flash vs free results right and now it's time to win that guide AND the headset lulwut.
Morrow 4-1 due to blistering sands!
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Nice.....hope can what the last games... i m at home at 7:00 est...... or perhaps i can what the vodssss
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i hope to see some tank play sir
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I don't see a Random option for the raffle. Undecided on which race I should pick.
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most of europe is going to be watching euro 2012 qualifiers. i'm torn between watching this and watching walcott rip up bulgaria.
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My headset's been dying so the #1 gaming headset around in the raffle? Damn thats awesome.
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yeah reps will be posted immediately after and vods of the cast should be available.. no promise on that since it relies on the technical god powers of psyonic reaver so send happy thoughts his way
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Love Morrow's macro heavy style, easily one of the best Terrans in the world. Will be rooting for him! Should be a great match.
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I want to be rooting for the Protoss but its HuK.. Hrmmm
Well it'll be a fun watch regardless.
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i had to be at work today....dam it
missing this game and euro 2012 qualifiers.!!!!
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Hype get.
Personally I think MorroW will take this (just a hunch), so I'm rooting for HuK instead - no offence MorroW! ;D
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how can I win the headset?
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watch the cast and find out!
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On September 04 2010 03:34 Fayth wrote:
how can I win the headset?
See the topic post.
and watch!
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Can't wait for this! Love both players =)
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Thanks iNcontrol, PsyonicReaver, LzGameR, Huk and MorroW!
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HYPE!!! Good luck both players ~ ~
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Very psyched about this. Grabbing lunch now and listening in from work...
Go HuK!
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huk just logged off and morrow is nowhere to be seen
I've MSN'd mouz people but if anyone has a way of contacting them please do. EIther they are both trying to give me a heart attack or they are just trying to be fashionably ON TIME lol
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On September 04 2010 03:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:huk just logged off and morrow is nowhere to be seen I've MSN'd mouz people but if anyone has a way of contacting them please do. EIther they are both trying to give me a heart attack or they are just trying to be fashionably ON TIME lol
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On September 04 2010 03:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:huk just logged off and morrow is nowhere to be seen I've MSN'd mouz people but if anyone has a way of contacting them please do. EIther they are both trying to give me a heart attack or they are just trying to be fashionably ON TIME lol
Be hopeful, its currently Sweden - Ukraine(EM Quals Soccer) and first half just ended. He maybe just watched the first half and will get online soon ^^
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yeah its not working now but it worked for me like 5 mins ago.
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The links not working, but whatever, time to see some awesome go down. Huk's got this.
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Will there be another stream software besides justintv? It has retarded IP per country restrictions for Europe.
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MorroW got lost somewhere in Bnet 2.0?
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Stream is still offline, is that correct?
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Yes, it seems to be offline. Regarding the IP restrictions at Justin.tv, what exactly do they have implemented ?
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On September 04 2010 03:59 Weemoed wrote:
Stream is still offline, is that correct?
Yes.
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An anti-Terran fan probably attacked MorroW because they didn't want him to win. Let's hope not.
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They should just start streaming while they're looking for the players.
Stream some pron or somethin
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Any word on the happenings here?
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nothing yet. running late?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
ok everyone is here.. we will start momentarily.
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watch, Morrow has no NA account
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I am so ready for this! Well done iNc!!!
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Thanks for the update iNcontroL
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or maybe his parents won't let him play cus he needs to sleep =[ anyways gogo morrow fighting~!~!
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Computer is giving me fits all of a sudden. Restarting and then I'll get the stream up.
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Can't wait to watch how a top Protoss plays against a very strong Terran. Might learn important things.
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oh no i hoped it would be on lzgamers stream, justin.tv just sucks
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waiting forrrrr "good" streaaam
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why justin.tv? there is this stupid country limit :/
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I hope PsyonicReaver didn't forget!
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This is going to be super sexy.
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good.. everyday of my life has been booked with starcraft2 schedules
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On September 04 2010 04:06 1nfamous wrote:
oh no i hoped it would be on lzgamers stream, justin.tv just sucks
Are you serious?
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can we get both lz ad reaver to stream for people who don't like justin.tv? <3
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On September 04 2010 04:07 imyzhang wrote:
can we get both lz ad reaver to stream for people who don't like justin.tv? <3
i dont like justin.tv , waiting for ustream or livestream... same here metaphor
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On September 04 2010 04:07 kenwoo wrote:
good.. everyday of my life has been booked with starcraft2 schedules
True that. So many events. This weekend we will have both the GSL and the IEM.
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On September 04 2010 04:07 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:06 1nfamous wrote:
oh no i hoped it would be on lzgamers stream, justin.tv just sucks Are you serious?
yes cause justin.tv has the super duper country limit which makes it impossible to watch longer then 2 minutes
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Yeah, Justin.tv hasnt worked for me for quite a while. Everything from Livestream to UStream to own3d.tv works fine but I cant get anything to show on Justin.tv.
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iNcontroL
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sorry for the delay guys.. this will start in just a moment.
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did huk vs morrow start???
whats the wait?
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On September 04 2010 04:10 Backstrom wrote:
Where can we watch this?
It's linked on this page and the first page.
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iNcontrol, why use Justin.tv if it has country limitations ?
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On September 04 2010 04:10 Backstrom wrote:
Where can we watch this?
http://www.justin.tv/psyonic
but most peopel are hoping for a re-stream on ustream or livestream.
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On September 04 2010 04:11 Ancient.TL wrote:
iNcontrol, why use Justin.tv if it has country limitations ?
Not all channels have country limitations, I'm fairly sure Psyonic's doesn't.
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So the game wont start till they get the stream up?
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incontrol is now indmgcontrol
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On September 04 2010 04:11 On_Slaught wrote:http://www.justin.tv/psyonicOP says you can watch it there. Just isn't up yet. Patience is a virtue.
Beeing late is a vice ^^
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On September 04 2010 04:12 Chesner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:11 Ancient.TL wrote:
iNcontrol, why use Justin.tv if it has country limitations ? Not all channels have country limitations, I'm fairly sure Psyonic's doesn't.
still 404
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Yea the country limit sucks
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Where can I wtach the stream? Has it already started ?
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Ye, a ustream restream would be nice!
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On September 04 2010 04:13 Villan262 wrote:incontrol is now indmgcontrol
xD
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On September 04 2010 04:13 miNix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:12 Chesner wrote:On September 04 2010 04:11 Ancient.TL wrote:
iNcontrol, why use Justin.tv if it has country limitations ? Not all channels have country limitations, I'm fairly sure Psyonic's doesn't. still 404
If it's the country limitation you should get a message saying that, the 404 might just be an issue at your end.
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I really don't get all the quick spammers? Why don't read the latest page and find out whats happening? Is it really that hard?
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still says offline to me. so is it already running now, or not?
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It looks like it's trying to run but I'm not getting anything yet.
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"We've reached the maximum number of streams for your country."
Fuck Justin.tv, is there no other way to watch this?
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Awesome, can't watch. Country limit reached. Always the same with Justin TV. Good quality but this limit is garbage, can never watch anything from Justin TV.
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What the hell, I need a premium account to watch this?
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now im getting the country limit screen. any other streams not located at justin.tv?
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So much stupid stuff going on in the chat -__-
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On September 04 2010 04:16 Puosu wrote:
"We've reached the maximum number of streams for your country."
Fuck Justin.tv, is there no other way to watch this?
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oh no it's GomTV nightmare all over again
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Stream works great for me. Never had a problem with justin.tv.
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We've reached the maximum number of users for your country.
great...
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"Are we casting?" "Yes, you are now live."
<3 TL
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![[image loading]](http://www.roflpantoffel.nl/uploadedimages/viewers.jpg)
2010 baby!
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it keeps redirecting me to myspace 404
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really nice video quality on the stream
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Thats such BS lol... I was lucky to have it queued for 15 minutes and have it suddenly start :D
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Definitely need me a stream without that stupid limit.
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Restream to Europe pls!!!
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wow nice, I didn't even know this was happening. looking forward to good games
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what is this pro account crap? can someone pls restream?
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I'd love to watch this, but there is no way in hell im paying for it. Anyone got alternate source?
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Interestingly they are playing on the US server.
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Lets see morrow popularize another cheese! Lol at huks trolling
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justin.tv is bad .. cant watch anything longer than 2 min ? wtf
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I was looking forward to this ... and now the streamer is following another guys camera. And showing Units tab. Not very nice.
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I love that probe, bboying probe ftw.
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livestream.com/vyyye
Mods please remove if you don't allow restreams. Just trying to get folks who can't watch JTW to be able to watch it.
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great, why the fuck did you guys choose justin.tv
now only americans can watch the game....
somebody restream this on a decent livestreaming site.
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Wtf is up with justintv? any restream available?
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oh man. This justin limit for europe is such a bullshit.
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Justin.tv is so horrible. t_t
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Justin tv is awful, i get the "limit is reached for your country all the time". Disappointed in the choice of stream.
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justin.tv is epic fail , please change this
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I'm in America and the stream isn't working for me...
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lol that probe is epic.
"Who needs balance changes when you have probes flopping around on its side like a fish."
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On September 04 2010 04:17 anzient wrote:
We've reached the maximum number of users for your country.
great...
Wow glad I good in on it. There will sure be some good games. For the sake of others I hope this will be resolved (whether by restream or other means).
Anyway, HuK fighting! He'll take it 4-2.
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On September 04 2010 04:22 vyyye wrote:
livestream.com/vyyye
Mods please remove if you don't allow restreams. Just trying to get folks who can't watch JTW to be able to watch it.
God bless you etc, sadly it lags like maddddd.
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Best stream quality I've seen on a Sc stream so far. Huk be trollin'
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Please don't use justin.tv in the future.
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i solved the problem with the limit by watching with the popout-link. maybe its work for someone else?
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justin.tv sucks, livestream is so much better and supports iphone if you use procaster
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would someone pls restream that? it's so frustrating not to see it
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Is it so hard to use Ustream?
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On September 04 2010 04:23 Nyovne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:22 vyyye wrote:
livestream.com/vyyye
Mods please remove if you don't allow restreams. Just trying to get folks who can't watch JTW to be able to watch it. God bless you etc, sadly it lags like maddddd.
Working on it, should get it fixed ina bit.
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Can't watch it due to stupid country limitations (Netherlands).. :-/
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On September 04 2010 04:24 Zzoram wrote:
justin.tv sucks, livestream is so much better and supports iphone if you use procaster
Justin.tv has an iphone app. Justintv is the best streaming service... if you're from America. If you're not, then you're kinda' shit out of luck. I imagine LZ had something messed up with his computer or something to prevent his stream so they swapped to Psyonic's.
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On September 04 2010 04:22 vyyye wrote:
livestream.com/vyyye
Mods please remove if you don't allow restreams. Just trying to get folks who can't watch JTW to be able to watch it.
Thank you!
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Fail fail fail justin.tv is just a BiG Fail , how to i cant watch this :@
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popup doesnt solve the problem -.-
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I'm going to chime in on the 'justin.tv is godaweful'. Pretty much forces restreams if you want people to be able to watch it, which I'm sure isn't what anyone wants.
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Doesn't work either, same limit bs...
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On September 04 2010 04:26 hakundo wrote:
popup doesnt solve the problem -.-
same here
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justin tv sucks and vyyye´s stream lags like mad. great job.
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/OOblh.png)
justintv ftw
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It doesn't even make sense that the popout would work when the normal window doesn't.
It doesn't work for me.
Really bad decision to stream this with Justin.tv, thank you vyyye for restreaming it and for fixing the lag. I love you.
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fuck
I hope the whole weekend of "great sc2 events" isn't like this.
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thx a lot, finally a working restream^^
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Yawn, was looking forward to it, but can't watch it :'(
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justintv unwatchable in Europe ?
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On September 04 2010 04:29 RHoudini wrote:
justintv unwatchable in Europe ?
Watching in Sweden right now. No lagg.
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On September 04 2010 04:29 RHoudini wrote:
justintv unwatchable in Europe ?
Appearantly. Silly decision to go with Justin.tv which blows all sorts of goat
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Not to complain. But they need a cameraman. jesus..
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United States12607 Posts
Observer needs to calm down sheeeeeeeesh, I'm getting motion sickness here
Great commentary though
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maximum number on restream reached.
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really liking the casting/commentary
i approve!
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On September 04 2010 04:30 JWD wrote:Observer needs to calm down sheeeeeeeesh, I'm getting motion sickness here Great commentary though
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and second skype drop rofl
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Skype 2 - Gosuguide 0
Ahah, but seriously nice job as of now, cant do anything about these issues
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wow HuK has 105 probes ;o
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On September 04 2010 04:33 funcmode wrote:
wow HuK has 105 probes ;o
he plays like this was age of empires II XD"
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HuK showing us what's really good.
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United States12607 Posts
Psyonic needs to use his mouse to move around / decrease his scroll speed, right now it's difficult to watch what with the screen jumping all over the place
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Observer has higher apm than both players.
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huk made wayyyyyyy too many probes.
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Justin TV keeps asking for money, is there a way to get past that without buying the shitty promo code?
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Wth, maximum number of streams has been reached. Please buy PREMIUM WTF hell no...
What bullshit lol.
But thanks for that livestream though (Even if the quality isn't as good)
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Wow, amazing play by HuK.
Probetastic.
Mothership rush next game?
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Really nice play by Huk in game 1. Macro was great, harass was extreme, and the storms were so good.
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On September 04 2010 04:36 Mearis wrote:
Justin TV keeps asking for money, is there a way to get past that without buying the shitty promo code?
I'm watching the popout stream with adblock on, no ads so far.
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On September 04 2010 04:33 Jyvblamo wrote:
108 probes.
Awesome.
123 Probes by the end of the game :O
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United States4714 Posts
Huk played really amazing that game
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Psyonic isn't even doing the camera. He's putting it on the view of incontrol and lzgamer so we're actually watching what the commentators are doing with the screen. And he's not clicking on anything. Seriously, let me in there or something. This is some amateur camera work.
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holy bat nipples ! 123 probes O.o
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Im sad for you who missed it! It was an awesome game for sure. huk had 123 probes! :o
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Ended with like 120 probes rofl.
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Not all channels have country limitations, I'm fairly sure Psyonic's doesn't.
LOL.
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On September 04 2010 04:35 JWD wrote:Psyonic needs to use his mouse to move around / decrease his scroll speed, right now it's difficult to watch what with the screen jumping all over the place
I agree totally; the observing really isn't viewer friendly at the moment.
And I'd much rather see the production tab rather then the units tab, but that's just a small thing.
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Damn Huk played amazinggg.
Isn't there a way to see what the observers are clicking though, so we will be able to see the player resources and supply count?
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<3 Kawaii, tnx for the restream, and I love the commentaries, but I dislike the original stream.
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Oh my god! I don't like Huk but wow he played SO well that game.
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On September 04 2010 04:37 leve15 wrote:
Psyonic isn't even doing the camera. He's putting it on the view of incontrol and lzgamer so we're actually watching what the commentators are doing with the screen. And he's not clicking on anything. Seriously, let me in there or something. This is some amateur camera work.
oh really? Yikes, yeah a dedicated observer would definitely be great
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I think we need Torch talking to justin.tv!
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kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv
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any ustream restreams? livestream lags every minute or so...
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On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv
But quality is too low for comfort...
No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight
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Thats why most Terrans try to end the game with early midgame pushes or with 3 rax play and getting an advantage early on. If you let Protoss have untouched mid / lategame you won't win. 12 Charged Voidrays with speed in your Mainbase? You are lost.
It might be right, that Terrans pressure and early mid. sets back Protoss, but thats what Terran NEEDS to win. / stand a chance.
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holy crap when did HuK learn to play?
I used to be a hardcore huk hater, not giving him much respect because he seemed to only 1base and never seemed to have a good game plan or follow through, and every time he tried things like forge FE, he would get crushed..
BUT after that game he looked pretty damn good, his HT play and 2 or 3-pronged attacks to put the terran in bad position was pretty damn good.
HuK fan inc, just keep it up!
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On an unrelated note, Kawaiirice's apm when he obs a game is like 300.
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On September 04 2010 04:40 danson wrote:
holy crap when did HuK learn to play?
I used to be a hardcore huk hater, not giving him much respect because he seemed to only 1base and never seemed to have a good game plan or follow through, and every time he tried things like forge FE, he would get crushed..
BUT after that game he looked pretty damn good, his HT play and 2 or 3-pronged attacks to put the terran in bad position was pretty damn good.
HuK fan inc, just keep it up!
Yeah I'm totally going to convert to a Huk fan if he keeps this up.
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is it the restream or is iNcontroL screaming like hell?
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I have to drive home from work in a bit - do we have to be in attendance to win the raffle?
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On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight
The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on.
What do you people want, full 1080p HD?
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choice of stream is awful - re-stream is fine for me though
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lol @ incontrol's volume being turned down.
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Huk slowly learns how to play cause that was really good tvp mb I cant beat him anymore now
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anyone else hearing a "txiiiiiing" sound?
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lol micro-fail by huk - well, can happen
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Losing two void rays ouchh.
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On September 04 2010 04:41 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:40 danson wrote:
holy crap when did HuK learn to play?
I used to be a hardcore huk hater, not giving him much respect because he seemed to only 1base and never seemed to have a good game plan or follow through, and every time he tried things like forge FE, he would get crushed..
BUT after that game he looked pretty damn good, his HT play and 2 or 3-pronged attacks to put the terran in bad position was pretty damn good.
HuK fan inc, just keep it up! Yeah I'm totally going to convert to a Huk fan if he keeps this up.
wow fuck you huk, not 2 min after I type this wall of text praise you do that AWFUL void ray shit.
way to make me look like a dumbass
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I would really appreciate if streamer could click buildings and units himself. While only following InControl, we can't see what buildings are being warped, what units build etc.
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Psyonicreaver, if you're reading this, PLEASE CONTROL THE CAMERA YOURSELF.
my eyesssss
or at least tell these guys you're using them as observers. I think they're under the impression that you're the cameraman.
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Not getting lance probably wasn't a mistake. He's getting templar immediately, why upgrade lance for only 2 colossus?
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great, justin stopped working and then the "maximum viewer from your country" popped up. Restream at livestream lagging like hell.
so much for this great match T_T
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please put on the production tab, separately the thermal lance upgrade wasnt forgotten, it was a juke to force vikings
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Incontrol has told me to not touch or do or say anything. I'm just following his camera or LZ's.
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That nexus snipe was super sweet.
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Germany91 Posts
hitpoint bars activated = i dont watch. :-O
hate them so much in casts.
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On September 04 2010 04:42 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on. What do you people want, full 1080p HD?
No, just being able to read the unit counters would be fine...
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no, we don't see huk's money shooting up, but thanks for telling us.
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On September 04 2010 04:47 danson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:41 youngminii wrote:On September 04 2010 04:40 danson wrote:
holy crap when did HuK learn to play?
I used to be a hardcore huk hater, not giving him much respect because he seemed to only 1base and never seemed to have a good game plan or follow through, and every time he tried things like forge FE, he would get crushed..
BUT after that game he looked pretty damn good, his HT play and 2 or 3-pronged attacks to put the terran in bad position was pretty damn good.
HuK fan inc, just keep it up! Yeah I'm totally going to convert to a Huk fan if he keeps this up. wow fuck you huk, not 2 min after I type this wall of text praise you do that AWFUL void ray shit. way to make me look like a dumbass
I take back what I said.
Fuckin, what is this shit, 1.4k minerals and no range upgrade, leaving Colossi in the front and no harass. He does have a few more games to redeem himself though.
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stream seems to be offline for me. is it on for you guys?
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Russian Federation132 Posts
any other links? kawairice is lagging like hell and psyonic reaver is shutting me down because there are to many people from my country in the stream.
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Morrow really kicking ass and taking names.
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On September 04 2010 04:55 Gaspadin wrote:
any other links? kawairice is lagging like hell and psyonic reaver is shutting me down because there are to many people from my country in the stream.
Go find a proxy from Amsterdam or something and watch it.
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On September 04 2010 04:55 Gaspadin wrote:
any other links? kawairice is lagging like hell and psyonic reaver is shutting me down because there are to many people from my country in the stream.
Not that I know. Very dissapointing as I'm having the same problems
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Wow looks like someone replaced Huk for game 2, such a huge difference in skill between the two games.
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United States12607 Posts
On September 04 2010 04:48 leve15 wrote:
Psyonicreaver, if you're reading this, PLEASE CONTROL THE CAMERA YOURSELF.
my eyesssss
or at least tell these guys you're using them as observers. I think they're under the impression that you're the cameraman.
I hope someone running the stream sees this!
Edit: Psyonic is aware
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On September 04 2010 04:57 Dionyseus wrote:
Wow looks like someone replaced Huk for game 2, such a huge difference in skill between the two games.
OR
Someone replaced Huk for game 1.
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On September 04 2010 04:57 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:55 Gaspadin wrote:
any other links? kawairice is lagging like hell and psyonic reaver is shutting me down because there are to many people from my country in the stream. Go find a proxy from Amsterdam or something and watch it.
I'm from Amsterdam, I'd advice him not to do such a thing. Getting the same message from Ustream.
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Its a joke that massing one unit is a viable strategy. Marauders will kill SC2.
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On September 04 2010 04:58 Tuwy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:57 youngminii wrote:On September 04 2010 04:55 Gaspadin wrote:
any other links? kawairice is lagging like hell and psyonic reaver is shutting me down because there are to many people from my country in the stream. Go find a proxy from Amsterdam or something and watch it. I'm from Amsterdam, I'd advice him not to do such a thing. Getting the same message from Ustream.
Go from Australia then, it's working for me on multiple computers.
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On September 04 2010 04:53 RHoudini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:42 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on. What do you people want, full 1080p HD? No, just being able to read the unit counters would be fine...
The stream is VERY clear for me, I don't know what you're on.
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Wtf happened to HuK game 2? Game one he's a macro king literally embarassing MorroW, next game he looks like a 1k diamond player.
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do _NOT_ pay the $1,95 for the trial. Stream is lagging even on the main stream.
If you do, don't forget to cancel your subscription, because it will auto sub you for 9,99 tomorrow.
Anyway, it's not kawairice that's lagging, main stream is laggy as hell.
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What did they say about raffles? Fucking cleaning crew coming in at 3:40-fucking-5 vacuuming the fucking shit out of my carpet I couldn't hear anything.
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On September 04 2010 04:58 boprandem wrote:
Its a joke that massing one unit is a viable strategy. Marauders will kill SC2.
well, although I do like crying about PvT, it's more like having double the army-size is a viable strategy regardless of what your opponent is doing
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Russian Federation132 Posts
Go find a proxy from Amsterdam or something and watch it.
tried it but the stream don´t work with proxys
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I think he just got too flustered after he lost both void rays for nothing, if that happens the game should be over right there imo.
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On September 04 2010 04:59 forgottendreams wrote:
Wtf happened to HuK game 2? Game one he's a macro king literally embarassing MorroW, next game he looks like a 1k diamond player.
Since when did a 1k diamond player not get range upgrade when against rauder heavy bio balls?
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Norway1530 Posts
What is the result so far? on what maps?
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On September 04 2010 05:01 Jonvvv wrote:What is the result so far? on what maps?
1:1 MorroW just won game 2 on Metalopolis, game 1 was LT
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On September 04 2010 05:01 Jonvvv wrote:What is the result so far? on what maps?
Huk wins on LT
Morrow wins on Metalopolis
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On September 04 2010 05:00 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:58 boprandem wrote:
Its a joke that massing one unit is a viable strategy. Marauders will kill SC2. well, although I do like crying about PvT, it's more like having double the army-size is a viable strategy regardless of what your opponent is doing
I am not saying its OP. Its not fun to watch.
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On September 04 2010 04:57 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:48 leve15 wrote:
Psyonicreaver, if you're reading this, PLEASE CONTROL THE CAMERA YOURSELF.
my eyesssss
or at least tell these guys you're using them as observers. I think they're under the impression that you're the cameraman. I hope someone running the stream sees this!
Boy. I really hope you have eyes to read that I did reply. Oh wait. You write? Too much to hope for then.
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Too much lag from kawaiirice and justin.tv always shutting down the stream because of too many viewers from my country.
Was an epic 1st game but this is just too much of a hassle to watch... will watch the vods if you post.
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Since when did a 1k diamond player not get range upgrade when against rauder heavy bio balls?
I think Huk thought he'd just die right away after sacrificing his void rays (he indeed would have, don't know why morrow didn't attack immediately) - he probably didn't believe he could get back from this anyway
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why isn't lz streaming as well ? would be better quality than a restream from kawairice.
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Any re-stream on Ustream?
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On September 04 2010 04:59 Skeyser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:53 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:42 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on. What do you people want, full 1080p HD? No, just being able to read the unit counters would be fine... The stream is VERY clear for me, I don't know what you're on.
He made it quite clear that (just as a lot of other people) he can't watch it on Ustream (which has high quality).
He's talking about the restream by Kawai being of lower quality (can't read any numbers or letters, very low quality). If you would've read what's been said, you would've known "what he's on".
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On September 04 2010 04:59 Skeyser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:53 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:42 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on. What do you people want, full 1080p HD? No, just being able to read the unit counters would be fine... The stream is VERY clear for me, I don't know what you're on.
The original Justintv stream is perfect quality, the restreaming by Kawaii is not.
Like I said, cannot even read the unit counters...
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There are plenty of re-streams going on guys. Look around because I'm getting it from all angles here.
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On September 04 2010 05:03 Casta wrote:
Too much lag from kawaiirice and justin.tv always shutting down the stream because of too many viewers from my country.
Was an epic 1st game but this is just too much of a hassle to watch... will watch the vods if you post.
Yeah, can't watch it either. Man, I really wanne see these games
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On September 04 2010 05:03 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:57 JWD wrote:On September 04 2010 04:48 leve15 wrote:
Psyonicreaver, if you're reading this, PLEASE CONTROL THE CAMERA YOURSELF.
my eyesssss
or at least tell these guys you're using them as observers. I think they're under the impression that you're the cameraman. I hope someone running the stream sees this! Boy. I really hope you have eyes to read that I did reply. Oh wait. You write? Too much to hope for then.
kk saw your line now, but damn why so snarky?
thanks for streaming btw, showmatch is fun viewing. I guess it's incontrol who needed to lower his observing APM.
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On September 04 2010 04:59 Skeyser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:53 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:42 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on. What do you people want, full 1080p HD? No, just being able to read the unit counters would be fine... The stream is VERY clear for me, I don't know what you're on.
Yep, loving the quality, if you don't like this your going to cry at the GSL stream.
Keep up the good work GGamers, people are having problems, but its a long way from everyone and when it works its great.
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don't stream with justin tv, half of europe can't watch it >:>
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can somebody explain to me, why terrans don't wall off anymore? the early zealot in mineral-line has become standard-play, wtf?
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Please Huk, please give me a reason to like you.
Please.
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On September 04 2010 04:58 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:57 Dionyseus wrote:
Wow looks like someone replaced Huk for game 2, such a huge difference in skill between the two games. OR Someone replaced Huk for game 1.
OR
Someone replaced Morrow for game 2.
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On September 04 2010 05:04 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
There are plenty of re-streams going on guys. Look around because I'm getting it from all angles here.
Where? Google it?
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On September 04 2010 05:05 sleepingdog wrote:
can somebody explain to me, why terrans don't wall off anymore? the early zealot in mineral-line has become standard-play, wtf?
Stalkers can snipe off the depots which is pretty damn annoying. I don't agree with it though.
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On September 04 2010 05:07 Casta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:04 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
There are plenty of re-streams going on guys. Look around because I'm getting it from all angles here. Where? Google it?
If you don't want to look around in the first 5 pages of this thread for streams and re-streams than ya. Try Google. Might work.
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A BIG THANKS TO FRAGKRAG STREAM !!!!
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On September 04 2010 05:07 Casta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:04 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
There are plenty of re-streams going on guys. Look around because I'm getting it from all angles here. Where? Google it?
look to your right, silly. Right below the calendar.
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On September 04 2010 05:07 Casta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:04 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
There are plenty of re-streams going on guys. Look around because I'm getting it from all angles here. Where? Google it?
I hear the right side of TL has this neat little thing to display streams.
Perhaps incontrol, lz, or psyonic should take some time to personally email you the other streams going on. Jesus, people's laziness is ridiculous.
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FUCK the reaction of morrow was crazy fast
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wow what a douche he just blocks him.
User was warned for this post
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On September 04 2010 05:09 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:07 Casta wrote:On September 04 2010 05:04 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
There are plenty of re-streams going on guys. Look around because I'm getting it from all angles here. Where? Google it? If you don't want to look around in the first 5 pages of this thread for streams and re-streams than ya. Try Google. Might work.
Sorry, mate its just frustrating
Anyway FragKrag came up and its working, so thanks a lot
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Great cast so far. Though incontrol seems to be really loud on the steam (psyonics steam that is). I hope this goes all the way to 7 games!
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On September 04 2010 05:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:07 Casta wrote:On September 04 2010 05:04 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
There are plenty of re-streams going on guys. Look around because I'm getting it from all angles here. Where? Google it? I hear the right side of TL has this neat little thing to display streams. Perhaps incontrol, lz, or psyonic should take some time to personally email you the other streams going on. Jesus, people's laziness is ridiculous.
Hey man, cut him some slack. It's not his fault he thinks TL is his personal army.
On topic: Did they just say marines do well against chargelots? Not too sure I agree with that.
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On September 04 2010 05:05 ithree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:59 Skeyser wrote:On September 04 2010 04:53 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:42 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on. What do you people want, full 1080p HD? No, just being able to read the unit counters would be fine... The stream is VERY clear for me, I don't know what you're on. Yep, loving the quality, if you don't like this your going to cry at the GSL stream. Keep up the good work GGamers, people are having problems, but its a long way from everyone and when it works its great.
Why do people read so selectively?
I'm happy that you're watching it on high quality just like anyone else that's following it on Ustream.
But a lot of people can't watch it through Ustream because there's a country limitation. We're forced to watch restreams with horrible quality (really appreciate people restreaming despite of the quality though).
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On September 04 2010 05:10 FindingPride wrote:
wow what a douche he just blocks him.
I'd say the guy that messaged him is a douche for writing a huge fucking wall of text in the middle of a god damn stream.
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Does anyone know if proxies are "safe"? I googlesearched proxyserver lists but I don't trust it lol :p
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On September 04 2010 05:10 FindingPride wrote:
wow what a douche he just blocks him.
Yes, because being spammed during a cast isn't.
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haha props to incontrol for keeping it clean!
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anyone else getting like 5 FPS at FragKrag restream?
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lol, huk the houdini of starcraft 2
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Game would have been better after tank nerf
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On September 04 2010 05:12 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
Does anyone know if proxies are "safe"? I googlesearched proxyserver lists but I don't trust it lol :p
Don't send anyone your credit card number and you'll be fine. The free proxies are usually slow as fuck though.
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On September 04 2010 05:12 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:10 FindingPride wrote:
wow what a douche he just blocks him. Yes, because being spammed during a cast isn't.
I just felt it was inconsiderate. But thanks for doing the stream.
oh and ROFL at incontrol popping the katrina joke. spilt my drink = /
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had to log in to say that its probably the best sc2 casting so far that I ve listened to,hopefully they will make more matches in the future,ok back to the game
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Morrow's macro is pretty good...
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man, HuK just got tooled on there. Got his expo so much earlier but was just crushed in the midgame. Macro problems?
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Morrow is a beast, not gonna lie.
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this map is just plain terrible
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My day will be made if they choose Debris Fields. There's no logical reasoning behind it, I just want to see a game on that map.
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strange pic from to play standard on T_T
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Why is Select in the lobby? ;P
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On September 04 2010 05:17 JWD wrote:
man, HuK just got tooled on there. Got his expo so much earlier but was just crushed in the midgame. Macro problems?
morrows natural was up and minning before huks... i think ( he built cc in main and lifted it)
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Could someone tell me a reason to choose this map in pvt unless you proxy a stargate or something?
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On September 04 2010 05:17 JWD wrote:
man, HuK just got tooled on there. Got his expo so much earlier but was just crushed in the midgame. Macro problems?
balance problems?
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On September 04 2010 05:11 Tuwy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:05 ithree wrote:On September 04 2010 04:59 Skeyser wrote:On September 04 2010 04:53 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:42 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 04:40 RHoudini wrote:On September 04 2010 04:39 proxY_ wrote:
kawaii rice is re-streaming this stream for those that can't watch justin.tv But quality is too low for comfort... No Huk vs Morrow for me tonight The quality is good enough that you can see what's going on. What do you people want, full 1080p HD? No, just being able to read the unit counters would be fine... The stream is VERY clear for me, I don't know what you're on. Yep, loving the quality, if you don't like this your going to cry at the GSL stream. Keep up the good work GGamers, people are having problems, but its a long way from everyone and when it works its great. Why do peopleread so selectively? I'm happy that you're watching it on high quality just like anyone else that's following it on Ustream. But a lot of people can't watch it through Ustream because there's a country limitation. We're forced to watch restreams with horrible quality (really appreciate people restreaming despite of the quality though).
I just think this thread shouldn't be all negative, these are some nice games and GG have put on re-streams at really quick notice.
Its not selective reading, the restream is comparable to GSL free. And this wasn't GG original intention, their broadcasting in good quality, just justin being fail.
Overall I think from your tone we agree big thanks to Gosu, just stuck on either side of the country limit.
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Hope this shuts up some of the clueless people who constantly rack down on morrow over that one IEM final. MorroW is and has always been a sick sick macro player. He's just crazy good, period.
Fantastic showmatch so far and awesome commentary. Hope to see more of this in the future.
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bleh stream crashes and now i get the fucking max viewer bs
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I got maxed limit for my country lol,I am sure there are less than 5 greeks watching this damn
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lol got excited because my name's Andrew. hahahaha fail.
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Can somebody give me a stream link?
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On September 04 2010 05:20 Coulthard wrote:I got maxed limit for my country lol,I am sure there are less than 5 greeks watching this damn
FragKrag on the right.
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To be honest in game 1 Huk got untouched into midgame and did great - game 2 and 3 just show that MorroW is superior - his builds are better and more thought out to be honest. That isn't meant as HuK bashing as I also like him - but MorroW is better , period.
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My cat can marine mass so, sucks to be your dog.
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Can someone link to the restream? Too many viewers from my country.. lame
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On September 04 2010 05:21 Endorsed wrote:
Can somebody give me a stream link?
Top right, under the calendar.
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Oh come on justin.tv ? Its not watchable for alot of countrys if you dont pay for it.
Why not livestream ? Aww saw there are restreams at least!
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Seriously dudes, get an Australian proxy and watch it.
Perhaps try closing the proxy after you're connected, see if that works.
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Is it really that difficult to notice the streams listed in TL's right sidebar?
I mean we have a green, bold ON AIR, a bold Huk vs Morrow and then THREE links all beginning with "Stream:"
READ PEOPLE
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I think Huk should do more banter. He won when he did it and it's just plain funny.
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On September 04 2010 05:22 G.s)NarutO wrote:game 2 and 3 just show that MorroW is superior
well, in game 2 huk just did a really bad void ray play....
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Lol'ed at "abusive father of six"
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When the JTV stream crashed JTV viewer capped me, so take my name off the list.
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This is so retarded. Country limit of Justin tv sucks, the re streams are very bad quality and they lag. What a dissapointment.
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Everyone's stream is skipping every few seconds now D:
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On September 04 2010 05:22 G.s)NarutO wrote:
To be honest in game 1 Huk got untouched into midgame and did great - game 2 and 3 just show that MorroW is superior - his builds are better and more thought out to be honest. That isn't meant as HuK bashing as I also like him - but MorroW is better , period.
i think there is quite a gap between them actualy, dunno if Huk is just choking these games.
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On September 04 2010 05:28 Macabre wrote:
Pretty upsetting that the casting for a match like this is having so many problems. TaKe and Demuslim were excellent yesterday.
It's only 2010. We don't have the technology.
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Meh why do streams ALWAYS fail on events like this......
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Don't worry guys, even Boxer had problems.
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hahahahahahahaha
Anyway I'm not too annoyed at the stream crashing, I am a bit interested as to whether or not they were going to do any sneaky tactics considering the map was Scrap Station.
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GO TO LZ'S STREAM
Sorry guys TT
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Morrow is proving that his IEM victory was no fluke. His macro is very good, and the mass bio strategy will continue to be effective after patch 1.1 comes out. He is also incorporating drops, preventing Huk from macro'ing as much as he'd like. Morrow showing everyone that he is here to stay.
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Blue screen of death. Computer is refusing to restart.
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Wow those were some boss Force Fields.
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On September 04 2010 05:32 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Blue screen of death. Computer is refusing to restart.
<3 for the effort.
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getting mad lag on LZ's stream =/
and inControl is super loud.
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Really laggy T_T. Hope its fixed by next game ^^
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Should have been streamed like this from the start. You can actually see what Lz clicks on and the resources and supply counts of the player, rather than having a mediator look at what Lz is looking at.
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On September 04 2010 05:33 funcmode wrote:
getting mad lag on LZ's stream =/
and inControl is super loud.
For some reason, lz's stream has always lagged for me.
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lol @ morrow's income matching and surpassing 50+ probes with 17 scvs+ mules
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On September 04 2010 05:34 Kiarip wrote:
LOL Terran income...
Showing why Mules need to work like Queen larva inject, instead of just being able to summon 4 per OC at once if you forget to use it..
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very disappointing, not a single stream is working.....
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Morrow doesn't have siege mode?
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Jeez that income disparity is weird, was 53 drones to 18 harvesters but bouncing around equal income (1400).
Was Huk's main mostly gone, idle probes ? or lots of mules and just a temporary thing ?
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i hate livestream. Especially lz's stream ALWAYS lags constantly for me -.-
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PsyoniC if you felt it was spam I'm sorry, massive number of the 4k alone on your JTV were spamming about people flooding your channel. I didn't want any small thing to take away from quality of your showmatch, since you folks at EG always act in highly professional level. Sorry if you disagree and felt need to block me was best option, but I'm sorry I messaged you once for betterment of your showmatch. It was defiantly not intended as spam in, as multiple non-stop harassing messages with no good purpose. If there was nothing that could be done to fix it so be it, if you felt it was unnecessary so be it. Just want to make sure you didn't think it was done to cause any drama I was only trying to pass on what large number of people in this thread and in chat were trying to get to you.
Anyways once again my appoligies for messaging you in trying to pass on what apparetly you already knew about in trying to ensure your channel stayed of the professional level you wanted the showmatch to be for your viewership.
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can't believe HuK is letting MorroW inch back into this!
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Anyone knows any stream that works? from sweden/europe?
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Ya. I'm sorry guys. I think my Mobo or my Harddrives died. I don't have time to figure this out before the cast ends. =(
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On September 04 2010 05:39 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Ya. I'm sorry guys. I think my Mobo or my Harddrives died. I don't have time to figure this out before the cast ends. =(
it's ok Psyonic, Lz's stream is working fine. Hope you can fix your computer easily.
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dunno if that was worth it
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On September 04 2010 05:38 leveller wrote:
Anyone knows any stream that works? from sweden/europe?
FragKrag is the only lagless for me.
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Huk will have to make some huge mistake for Morrow to take this game.
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On September 04 2010 05:38 iLLusive wrote:
PsyoniC if you felt it was spam I'm sorry, massive number of the 4k alone on your JTV were spamming about people flooding your channel. I didn't want any small thing to take away from quality of your showmatch, since you folks at EG always act in highly professional level. Sorry if you disagree and felt need to block me was best option, but I'm sorry I messaged you once for betterment of your showmatch. It was defiantly not intended as spam in, as multiple non-stop harassing messages with no good purpose. If there was nothing that could be done to fix it so be it, if you felt it was unnecessary so be it. Just want to make sure you didn't think it was done to cause any drama I was only trying to pass on what large number of people in this thread and in chat were trying to get to you.
Anyways once again my appoligies for messaging you in trying to pass on what apparetly you already knew about in trying to ensure your channel stayed of the professional level you wanted the showmatch to be for your viewership.
It's my fault for not putting on the Do Not Disturb. I'll unblock you, =p It's just when I'm trying to handle a stream and all the other stuff that is going on, it can't have distractions. Please don't take it personal. I'm not angry, I just didn't want it to happen again.
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MorroW needs to do something about that gold expo
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Does anyone remember who won the first raffle?
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I know someone named "<insert first name> Shin" won.
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I think it might have been me! My stream started breaking up but a practice partner mentioned it to me on Skype.
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Wow these casters watched 1 archon run in circles on the island expansion while an entire 3-4 medivac drop occurred at the high yield. Just made me anxious staring at the mini map with blue and red dots going at each other while they're watching 1 archon run in circles. -_-'
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HuK just keeps impressing, I thought he was an okay player before the MLG and he proved me wrong over and over again. He's far better than just 'okay'.
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Justin Shin
Andrew something...
cant remember other one
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Huk showing why siege tanks need to be nerfed and that he's more than capable of going the macro route.
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On September 04 2010 05:44 theshin2007 wrote:
I think it might have been me! My stream started breaking up but a practice partner mentioned it to me on Skype.
They're gonna email you the info anyway, congrats though
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Damn livestream is so laggy .And they said that they will email you if you win so I don't think you would have a problem to get it if you won.
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Morrow doesn't need to prove that he is capable of macro game. He has been known for a long time in the beta as inventor of fast expo build with mass marines, and often plays heavy macro style games
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Big thanks to all the restreamers! Fuck yeah.
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Oh I know you got a million things going on and completely respect that. I do this weekly for OMFG so I understand to good extent what all takes place. Didn't take it personal at all I just have very much respect for yourself and Team EG, so just wanted to make sure my intentions weren't taking incorrectly with anyone upset with me in regards to the casting staff itself. Thanks for fast response and hope it's nothing serious with your PC wishing for you that it's just simple and cheap fix.
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Is the gosuguide worth its price?
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I think this will be an amazing show match!!
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On September 04 2010 05:48 garett wrote:
Is the gosuguide worth its price?
There's always something wrong when the guide is more expensive than the game it's designed for. I suppose you can get it if you have the money lying around.
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It doens't help that all the restreams are on Livestream
Would be more ideal if one is on ustream, another on stickcam, or elsewhere.
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Lol, awesome private message right there :D
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On September 04 2010 05:49 teko wrote:It doens't help that all the restreams are on Livestream Would be more ideal if one is on ustream, another on stickcam, or elsewhere.
FragKrag is ustream.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fragkrag
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On September 04 2010 05:50 _magik wrote:
Lol, awesome private message right there :D
ingame hook up
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On September 04 2010 05:50 EppE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:49 teko wrote:It doens't help that all the restreams are on Livestream Would be more ideal if one is on ustream, another on stickcam, or elsewhere. FragKrag is ustream. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fragkrag
it's being restreamed from livestream which is the problem.
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Morrow is significantly ahead
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when are we gonna be able to put our hands on those replays (if we will at all)?
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that was just an insane dropship-micro
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Morrow you magnificent beast. ><
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holy shit that was fucking sick
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am i the only one lagging like hell? on everyone single stream :S
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Cliffs aren't a problem if you're MorroW, apparently.
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HuK played very poorly this game. His level of play seems to vary wildly from game to game.
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On September 04 2010 05:56 qanik wrote:
am i the only one lagging like hell? on everyone single stream :S
i can barely follow what's going on.. livestream ftl
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Morrow playing a solid solid game.
His macro is crushing Huk right now.
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On September 04 2010 05:56 qanik wrote:
am i the only one lagging like hell? on everyone single stream :S
Lots of lag on the Lz and KawaiiRice streams at least here. Will try the others now too to see if they lag as much
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huk back at one-base-style.....
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Awesome showmatch atm
GL with the gosu guide, although i personally hate the amount of advertisement throughout the stream.
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If only Morrow's TvZ didn't make me want to punch a baby he'd be my favourite player .
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On September 04 2010 06:00 nafta wrote:If only Morrow's TvZ didn't make me want to punch a baby he'd be my favourite player .
Babies make me want to punch a baby.
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I just dont think Huk knew or even suspected that Morrow had expanded. Huk was playing like it was 1 base vs 1 base. He probably figured he could poke in like that, trade armies, and come out ahead or on even footing. Gold expo let Morrow dominate and I don't think Huk had any idea until it was too late.
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On September 04 2010 06:00 Tuwy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:00 nafta wrote:If only Morrow's TvZ didn't make me want to punch a baby he'd be my favourite player . Babies make me want to punch a baby.
rofl me too
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Still if he didn't throw those 2/3 collosi away I think it might be aloooott closer. But yea, he had no idea Morrow had the gold. Kulas Ravine sucks :/
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Huk was sitting on 28 probes the entirety of game 5. Was this simply a result of the hidden rax that Huk didn't see, thus forcing him to prepare for a proxy rush that never came?
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Good event, lots of viewers, 4k+ on KawaiiRice stream, 2,4k+ on LZ, + other restreams. Good job
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What's the series score atm? 3-1?
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On September 04 2010 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
What's the series score atm? 3-1?
3-2 morrow
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Did they announce the last gosuguide winner after the stream came back up?
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On September 04 2010 06:00 nafta wrote:If only Morrow's TvZ didn't make me want to punch a baby he'd be my favourite player .
Absolutely, having not seen much of his play myself, his IEM games really coloured my vision of him but this is really showing he hasn't lost any of that macro ability or play from beta.
Even when he's been losing, he's been very good at holding his own and standing firm.
So here's to hoping the vZ play evolves.
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Wowsers HuK....f*cking amazing trap.
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That poor marauder. Huk has cajones, letting Morrow in until the immortal came out.
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why doesn't huk expand.....why.....
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HuK fell for that Factory trick <_<
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HuK doesn't believe in thermal lance, apparently!
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Why is huk wasting time on a fact when he had a HUGE adv seconds before.
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WTF why did huk go for the irrelevant factory?
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OMFG.
Awesome dropship play by Morrow!
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This no thermal lance is killing me.
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Dropping past the front line to kill that colossus was amazing by Morrow. Great play.
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Morrows medivacs are insane omg
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HuK is seriously going to be made fun off after this. MorroW: Here fetch (send factory). HuK: Woof woof (goes after factory)
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Huk's correct in not getting lance in this situation imo. He has enough gateway units + force fields + immortals. Too much gas cost for lance.
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Mad skill on the part of both players in that exchange.
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... please stop digging...
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What the fuck is HuK thinking never getting lance
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If Huk would of just gone in when the rocks would of gone down there is literally no way he could of lost.
Not only did he waste time for no reason, he decided taking out a random fact was more important than winning the game.
How frustrating to watch. Probably just lost himself 200$.
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plz someone send this game to day9 - perfect example of how to lose when you not expand despite of having an advantage
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That factory ploy was ridiculous, Huk's play is just all over the place today whereas Morrow is playing much more consistently.
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Just bad decision making all series. Bad.
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On September 04 2010 06:13 seanisgrand wrote:
What the fuck is HuK thinking never getting lance
Oh yeah, let's waste 200/200 on a lance upgrade that takes ages to get while we're only on one base when what we REALLY need is more units, considering we already have mass force fields and immortals. It's his micro that let him down, mass force fielding does not count as micro.
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i have no idea why huk is showing signs of tilting. he was so good in game 1, he's level of play just dropped dramatically after that.
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On September 04 2010 06:15 sleepingdog wrote:
plz someone send this game to day9 - perfect example of how to lose when you not expand despite of having an advantage
He's not losing because he didn't expand. He's losing because he didn't move in when he should have.
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On September 04 2010 06:16 Alou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:15 sleepingdog wrote:
plz someone send this game to day9 - perfect example of how to lose when you not expand despite of having an advantage He's not losing because he didn't expand. He's losing because he didn't move in when he should have.
well to be fair, he could have taken his expo pretty much as soon as he repelled MorroW's first attack
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GG's HuK is maddening to watch sometimes.
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Excellent play by Morrow.
He's becoming quite the player.
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Morrow's medivac micro is pretty impressive.
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Without the lance, stimmed marauders spam them down way too easily. It's not worth the 300-200 cost of building them. You may as well go straight to ht and skip colossus tech.
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Range upgrade pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.
On Morrow's side it was really nice with those medivacs picking and dropping those unites that were stuck by the force fields.
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On September 04 2010 06:16 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:13 seanisgrand wrote:
What the fuck is HuK thinking never getting lance Oh yeah, let's waste 200/200 on a lance upgrade that takes ages to get while we're only on one base when what we REALLY need is more units, considering we already have mass force fields and immortals. It's his micro that let him down, mass force fielding does not count as micro.
Not just this game. So much unnecessary sass.
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On September 04 2010 06:17 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:16 Alou wrote:On September 04 2010 06:15 sleepingdog wrote:
plz someone send this game to day9 - perfect example of how to lose when you not expand despite of having an advantage He's not losing because he didn't expand. He's losing because he didn't move in when he should have. well to be fair, he could have taken his expo pretty much as soon as he repelled MorroW's first attack
I think we can just agree that Huk played very bad.
I'll hold the belief that Huk is just plain bad, but that's pretty hard to argue.
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GGs, thanks for the cast + WP MorroW
consistent with the consensus about MLG / IEM skill levels
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On September 04 2010 06:17 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:16 Alou wrote:On September 04 2010 06:15 sleepingdog wrote:
plz someone send this game to day9 - perfect example of how to lose when you not expand despite of having an advantage He's not losing because he didn't expand. He's losing because he didn't move in when he should have. well to be fair, he could have taken his expo pretty much as soon as he repelled MorroW's first attack
It's a mix of both really, it's like he couldn't decide if he was going to expand or push for an early ish win, instead he had a delayed push and a late expo.
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Morrow played really well after the first game. GGs.
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Huks decision making in a few of those games (especially the last) is hair-pulling worthy.
When he's on his game though he is extremely good.
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Well played by Morrow. I think Huk's PvT needs improvements. I don't know why he doesn't get the lancer upgrade, it's not even expensive.
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What was up with the colossi decisions these games :o
gg and grats MorroW
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Great game by Morrow, genious play with the picks ups and drops to counter the forcefields!
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Who knew a floating factory could be such a tempting target...
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must. use. ustream
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On September 04 2010 06:09 JWD wrote:
huge mistake by HuK not going in as soon as he destroyed the rocks
He was hooked on killing the factory. Brilliant move by Morrow/Big mistake by Huk, pick one.
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Morrow's dropship plays were really good. The one where he hunted down that colosus in game 5 was killer.
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I think it was a huge mistake for HuK not to grab a fast expansion after beating back the marauder push like that so early on Blistering Sands. I feel a great weakness in HuK's game in that he doesn't develop his economy fast enough and merely relies on pure production off limited resources.
Sure, pumping out some quick immortals and pushing back I feel was a viable choice but to not commit to it and merely dance around is surely a wasted advantage.
EDIT: Fixed typo.
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Good job to both players. HuK dont fall for flying factory bait!
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On September 04 2010 06:19 Rabbet wrote:
Morrow's dropship plays were really good. The one where he hunted down that colosus in game 5 was killer.
Cutest thing I've seen in a long time ^_^
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strong play from morrow, kinda some bad moves from huk and a wierd steppes pick cost huk this series i would say.
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gratz to Morrow, insane macro and medivac action
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great showmatch ty gosuguide.com
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That last game finally convinced me that marauders make PvT broken. Protoss throws so much stuff and tech... marauders dont care, they just dominate
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Morrow the best Terran at least outside Korea <3
Also his best match-up is TvZ by far and beating one of the best P's in the scene, he's looking reeeally strong
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On September 04 2010 06:13 On_Slaught wrote:
If Huk would of just gone in when the rocks would of gone down there is literally no way he could of lost.
Not only did he waste time for no reason, he decided taking out a random fact was more important than winning the game.
How frustrating to watch. Probably just lost himself 200$.
I'd actually agree with the second sentence here. I think waiting before attacking really cost him the game, but there's no way HuK could have known that Morrow didn't have Medivacs.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Really great series, thanks for putting it on and commentating Inc and Lz!
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Argh I just missed it. Are there going to be Vods?
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morrow getting rich :p too bad the streams were pretty much all terrible.
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Colossi range would not have changed the outcome of the last game in the slightest, I don't know why you guys keep going on about it.
He had 1 colossus, it'd be a huge waste of money. Getting charge earlier when he still had all those zealots would have helped him way more. That or teching to storm.
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well to be fair, he could have taken his expo pretty much as soon as he repelled MorroW's first attack
that's what I meant - no reason to go for the risky immortal-push; getting the expansion right after the first two immortals would have put in a really nice position
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Hope the VODs come out soon I missed it.
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Are the replays going to be posted somewhere?
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Good games. Horrible stream fails. All in all enjoyed it mostly though
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If you chrono boost the upgrade it takes hardly any time at all, especially given the length of these games. Far better choice to get the upgrade than the number of sentry's HuK chose to get towards the end of the final game. I mean, why spend all that gas on sentry's with no long-range DPS to take advantage of the force fields? =/
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Not too impressed with HuK. No idea why he kept investing in un-ranged Collosus. They really aren't very good at all untill they get the upgrade.
Last game he obviously should have gone for the kill after repelling the early attack or just taking the free expansion.
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On September 04 2010 06:20 qoiN wrote:
morrow getting rich :p too bad the streams were pretty much all terrible.
lol i make $200 a day from working. This is probably also the reason why I only play sc2 like an hour a day.
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On September 04 2010 06:20 boprandem wrote:That last game finally convinced me that marauders make PvT broken. Protoss throws so much stuff and tech... marauders dont care, they just dominate
DId you notice how many sentries Huk had at that final confrontation? 10 sentries does nothing against any comp, so it was a mistake by Huk and he paid for it. Nothing to do with Morrow's composition or marauders.
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First game is the only game worth watching imo
Everything else will just make you cry, especially if you're a Protoss player.
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On September 04 2010 06:20 Shikyo wrote:
Morrow the best Terran at least outside Korea <3
Also his best match-up is TvZ by far and beating one of the best P's in the scene, he's looking reeeally strong
how many times must i say it, my best match up is tvt statistically on tournaments and practice ^.^ ggs huk always a pleasure playing him
why is everyone questioning huks play, hes a fucking amazing player, probably best toss user outside korea
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Thanks for setting this up, always enjoy watching Morrow playing.
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Let's all give HuK advice even though he practices 10 hours a day as it is and knows exactly what he's doing. It's like some of you can't even comprehend that he stays on 1 base so long because he has to, or their earlier timing push will crush him harder than a later timing push...
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I don't play P so I'm just going to take a stab at HuK's decision making but could it be that because Colossus are far less effective once vikings get onto the field that he was just aiming for a small window prior to that? He didn't want to waste gas/min on a range upgrade when he would only be making 1-2 colossus(and later transition into HT)?
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actually I agree with huk on not getting the upgrade....after the first few colossi they are useless because of vikings; so spending 200 gas on an upgrade that will be used just for 1-2 battles isn't really wise
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Congratulations to HuK and MorroW for an excellent showmatch series! =) Don't spend all your krona in one place, MorroW!
... although it IS Sweden, so it's probably going towards taxes...
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On September 04 2010 06:22 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:20 Shikyo wrote:
Morrow the best Terran at least outside Korea <3
Also his best match-up is TvZ by far and beating one of the best P's in the scene, he's looking reeeally strong how many times must i say it, my best match up is tvt statistically on tournaments and practice ^.^ ggs huk always a pleasure playing him
Grats man, you have come along way. Hope to see you play in more streamed events soon.
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On September 04 2010 06:22 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:20 Shikyo wrote:
Morrow the best Terran at least outside Korea <3
Also his best match-up is TvZ by far and beating one of the best P's in the scene, he's looking reeeally strong how many times must i say it, my best match up is tvt statistically on tournaments and practice ^.^ ggs huk always a pleasure playing him
Did you guys see that, TvP is Morrow's best match up
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I agree that not getting the range upgrade for 1 or 2 collosi isn't a bad thing.
What I do think is funny, and "bad," is attacking that fact. Once he sees the replay it will probably haunt his dreams forever.
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On September 04 2010 06:23 sleepingdog wrote:
actually I agree with huk on not getting the upgrade....after the first few colossi they are useless because of vikings; so spending 200 gas on an upgrade that will be used just for 1-2 battles isn't really wise
Not if the outcome of those battles is modified by the upgrade to give you a big advantage (or maybe even the win) for the rest of the game and considering how strong that upgrade is thats quite possible.
Would really like a comment from Huk on the reasoning behind that
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Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus.
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On September 04 2010 06:23 Tachion wrote:
I don't play P so I'm just going to take a stab at HuK's decision making but could it be that because Colossus are far less effective once vikings get onto the field that he was just aiming for a small window prior to that? He didn't want to waste gas/min on a range upgrade when he would only be making 1-2 colossus(and later transition into HT)?
that range upgrade gives more to existing collosai on battlefield than geting next un-upgraded collosus. in this situation for sure ( he got many sentries).
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On September 04 2010 06:23 sleepingdog wrote:
actually I agree with huk on not getting the upgrade....after the first few colossi they are useless because of vikings; so spending 200 gas on an upgrade that will be used just for 1-2 battles isn't really wise
I don't buy that argument. Even if it's true that colossus is completely worthless after the first 1-2 battles, why spend so much on getting that one colossus and robo bay?
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Great showmatch, great casting, few suggestion though.
1. Use Ustream, it can handle lots of ppl (see HDH).
2. Incontrol was too loud, compared too lz. You have to sync volume settings.
3. Dont scroll on the map like you are playing, its too fast. And dont clik on everything.
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On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus.
Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me.
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On September 04 2010 06:30 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus. Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me.
The colossi are so you don't die and you force vikings.
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Its not a bad idea to skip the upgrade for 1 or 2 colossi. I would have to see the game again but I think he made morrow spend more on vikings than he did on the colossi, and the colossi got a few shots off before they died, so its money well spent.
I only saw three (unique) things that mattered in the last game:
Huk made a robo and observer so early that he should have lost the game no matter what he did
Morrow had some bad decision making and lost most of his army at Huk's ramp
Huk waited too long while killing a factory to attack morrow
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Don't want to get spoiled, so not looking through the thread intensly. Does anyone know if the vod for this showmatch is up, and if so where?
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I restreamed for the last map there, but really, if you guys want a solid stream without tech issues next time so you can focus on the commentary, we'll be there.
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i missed this. vods going to be up?
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Although I hate morrow's stupid ZvTs which spawned the new annoying reaper trend I must say that his TvP is actually quite .. spectacular it sin't really the build but damn that guy can micro :p
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HuK didn't really have any other choice than to take out the factory. Enemy buildings draw fire. Had he attacked, Morrow could have floated the fact above his units and easily killed them because all stalkers and sentries would have attacked the factory instead of MorroWs army. The floating factory also prevents you from clicking on units beneath it, which can also mess up an attack. It wasn't about bait, there's no way HuK is that naive.
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On September 04 2010 06:31 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:30 Dionyseus wrote:On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus. Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me. The colossi are so you don't die and you force vikings.
If you're going to try and force vikings why not upgrade hallucinate instead and possibly force a scan / vikings plus get free meat sheilds for sentry energy. You'll save gas and minerals for a stronger army. Ha ha ha.
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On September 04 2010 06:29 Fate77 wrote:
Great showmatch, great casting, few suggestion though.
1. Use Ustream, it can handle lots of ppl (see HDH).
2. Incontrol was too loud, compared too lz. You have to sync volume settings.
3. Dont scroll on the map like you are playing, its too fast. And dont clik on everything.
1. We will lookinto this. Honestly we are limited by WHO is casting too.. perhaps restreaming will be our thing going forward as well.
2. We had it all set up for the stream but then the original streamer crashed (psyonic) so after that in order to get the showmatch off we had to proceed with emergency streaming.
3. Yeah, that is my/lz's bad. We are certainly players trying to be better casters. I've never done camera work before too so.. gimme some time to get better!
Thanks btw, always appreciate constructive criticism like this.
SORRY FOR THE STREAMS GUYS
reps soon!
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Great showing, amazing to see 7300 viewers among 3 different streams, that has to be the most viewers I've seen for any single event outside of HDH and Day9's countdown party.
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On September 04 2010 06:37 Foogs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:31 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 06:30 Dionyseus wrote:On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus. Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me. The colossi are so you don't die and you force vikings. If you're going to try and force vikings why not upgrade hallucinate instead and possibly force a scan / vikings plus get free meat sheilds for sentry energy. You'll save gas and minerals for a stronger army. Ha ha ha.
Read the first part of the sentence: "so you don't die." Have you ever played TvP early/mid game? Bio pushes will absolutely crush a gateway army.
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On September 04 2010 06:36 FrogOfWar wrote:
HuK didn't really have any other choice than to take out the factory. Enemy buildings draw fire. Had he attacked, Morrow could have floated the fact above his units and easily killed them because all stalkers and sentries would have attacked the factory instead of MorroWs army. The floating factory also prevents you from clicking on units beneath it, which can also mess up an attack. It wasn't about bait, there's no way HuK is that naive.
great analysis, im impressed
remember, a floating factory is never just a floating factory in starcraft :p hilariously bad of me to lose it tho xd
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On September 04 2010 06:33 Martijn wrote:
I restreamed for the last map there, but really, if you guys want a solid stream without tech issues next time so you can focus on the commentary, we'll be there.
I hope incontrol reads your post. Would be nice to get a GLHF quality stream for games that awesome
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REPLAYS ARE UP IN THE OP AS WELL AS HERE: REPLAYS
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Quick question..
I'm not saying either player did this or will ever think of doing it, but whats to stop people in a show match series with money on the line from playing somewhere where they have a friend on a laptop or something telling them exactly whats happening via the live stream?
I know not everyone is a scumbag and cheats but hey sometimes money makes people do crazy things no?
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On September 04 2010 06:22 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:20 Shikyo wrote:
Morrow the best Terran at least outside Korea <3
Also his best match-up is TvZ by far and beating one of the best P's in the scene, he's looking reeeally strong why is everyone questioning huks play, hes a fucking amazing player, probably best toss user outside korea
Is White-Ra really that forgettable?
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On September 04 2010 06:38 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:37 Foogs wrote:On September 04 2010 06:31 cyprin wrote:On September 04 2010 06:30 Dionyseus wrote:On September 04 2010 06:27 Hider wrote:
Huks mistake was a too late transition to Chargelots/HT, not collosus without range. Obv. you dont get range when you only plan to get 1-2 collosus. Why would you ever plan on getting just 1-2 collosus if you know you will be going chargelots+ht, that makes no sense to me. The colossi are so you don't die and you force vikings. If you're going to try and force vikings why not upgrade hallucinate instead and possibly force a scan / vikings plus get free meat sheilds for sentry energy. You'll save gas and minerals for a stronger army. Ha ha ha. Read the first part of the sentence: "so you don't die." Have you ever played TvP early/mid game? Bio pushes will absolutely crush a gateway army.
Absolutely I have played mid-game PvT. You can have fake collosus with hallucinate upgraded that will probably soak up more damage from the marauders plus at the same time your bigger gateway army will do more damage than you would think to his bio army. It also can scare him off if he sees you with 3 collosus. Another benefit would be doing a different tech route while he think you have mass robo units. Im pretty sure HuKs collosi didn't really do much damage in those last 2 games. Thanks for telling me to read the first part of the sentence.
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Thanks for a great match. Morrow has been on fire since IEM winning everything....
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On September 04 2010 06:41 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:36 FrogOfWar wrote:
HuK didn't really have any other choice than to take out the factory. Enemy buildings draw fire. Had he attacked, Morrow could have floated the fact above his units and easily killed them because all stalkers and sentries would have attacked the factory instead of MorroWs army. The floating factory also prevents you from clicking on units beneath it, which can also mess up an attack. It wasn't about bait, there's no way HuK is that naive. great analysis, im impressed remember, a floating factory is never just a floating factory in starcraft :p hilariously bad of me to lose it tho xd
Soooo... when are you playing Zenio for the global gamers tournament?
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btw thanks to all the restreamers <3
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Mabius wrote:
Quick question..
I'm not saying either player did this or will ever think of doing it, but whats to stop people in a show match series with money on the line from playing somewhere where they have a friend on a laptop or something telling them exactly whats happening via the live stream?
I know not everyone is a scumbag and cheats but hey sometimes money makes people do crazy things no?
That's always going to be a possibility with online tournaments, but if someone was doing then it would most likely be pretty obvious really. I mean, let's say someone is going to drop and while he is moving the other player shifts his defence a bit, then all of a sudden without any scouting the dropping player just stops and returns. Sure, it could have been pure game sense, but honestly I think if someone did cheat it would be pretty easy to see.
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On September 04 2010 06:36 FrogOfWar wrote:
HuK didn't really have any other choice than to take out the factory. Enemy buildings draw fire. Had he attacked, Morrow could have floated the fact above his units and easily killed them because all stalkers and sentries would have attacked the factory instead of MorroWs army. The floating factory also prevents you from clicking on units beneath it, which can also mess up an attack. It wasn't about bait, there's no way HuK is that naive.
Watch the replay. This doesn't work. If he actually moved into the base the fact was way too far away to actually make it to the battle in time. The fact was above the ramp. The battle would of taken place near the starport/rax in the middle of the base so morrow could try and use a choke. Even if it did make it over the fight would of been decided by then. It wouldn't of even been close.
This is a non-issue. It was a mistake. Simple as that.
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On September 04 2010 06:43 Mabius wrote:
Quick question..
I'm not saying either player did this or will ever think of doing it, but whats to stop people in a show match series with money on the line from playing somewhere where they have a friend on a laptop or something telling them exactly whats happening via the live stream?
I know not everyone is a scumbag and cheats but hey sometimes money makes people do crazy things no?
I would say it's probably just honor of the game. For the pros, the vast majority of them want to just play straight up games, and they know if they were caught cheating that they would be boned.
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On September 04 2010 06:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:REPLAYS ARE UP IN THE OP AS WELL AS HERE: REPLAYS
Many thanks
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I don't agree with the complaints on the camera work. I prefered it to pretty much any other cast i've seen. Almost no action was missed. MorroW was at times dropping and attacking at 3 places at once and everything was picked up by the casters. Everything producing and all small details was caught aswell. This is not the case with any other casters who focus too much on one place and constantly miss important keypoints in the game.
I understand why some people prefer the slower methodical way of handling the camera, but I personally much prefer what Incontrol and LZ did.
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On September 04 2010 06:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:43 Mabius wrote:
Quick question..
I'm not saying either player did this or will ever think of doing it, but whats to stop people in a show match series with money on the line from playing somewhere where they have a friend on a laptop or something telling them exactly whats happening via the live stream?
I know not everyone is a scumbag and cheats but hey sometimes money makes people do crazy things no? I would say it's probably just honor of the game. For the pros, the vast majority of them want to just play straight up games, and they know if they were caught cheating that they would be boned.
thats the point. most of the big cash can only be won on LANs. if i would be a progamer, i wouldnt risk to cheat for 100 or 200 bucks in an online tournament/showmatch, if that would disqualify myself from all future tournaments and probably even end my career if i would get caught
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HuK could have won that showmatch if he had just spent 200/200 on that damned upgrade..
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On September 04 2010 06:44 ci_esteban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:22 MorroW wrote:On September 04 2010 06:20 Shikyo wrote:
Morrow the best Terran at least outside Korea <3
Also his best match-up is TvZ by far and beating one of the best P's in the scene, he's looking reeeally strong why is everyone questioning huks play, hes a fucking amazing player, probably best toss user outside korea Is White-Ra really that forgettable?
Tbh White-Ra really hasn't won any major tournaments in a while, and in a while I mean like beta lol. I would say that Huk is the best toss outside Korea, but I would prolly give the European server an edge in overall skill.
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Great series, really enjoyed it.
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The difference between huk and morrow skillwise is night and day, because this is sc2 a player like huk can still sneak games off a player like morrow, but overall morrow is much more fundamentally/mechanically sound.
HuK is a player who learns through conditioning, morrow is a player who just has that fuller deeper understanding of the game and can make the most outta what he is presented with.
I understand practice is important, but I always respected the players with a good game sense over players that just practice a ton and can copy build orders. That's why I love jaedong and flash, cause they have the skill + they have such a good feel for the game.
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On September 04 2010 06:41 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:36 FrogOfWar wrote:
HuK didn't really have any other choice than to take out the factory. Enemy buildings draw fire. Had he attacked, Morrow could have floated the fact above his units and easily killed them because all stalkers and sentries would have attacked the factory instead of MorroWs army. The floating factory also prevents you from clicking on units beneath it, which can also mess up an attack. It wasn't about bait, there's no way HuK is that naive. great analysis, im impressed remember, a floating factory is never just a floating factory in starcraft :p hilariously bad of me to lose it tho xd
Didn't watch the game, but wow, buildings have the same priority of attacking units? that's a bit silly.
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HuK, how could you? Broke my heart </3
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Great matches, thanks to everyone that helped put it on
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I'm not going to address all the issues brought up in this thread because if I did that every time some "pro" thought he had a great idea of why I won or lost a game, I would spend more time on the forum arguing with people who generally have no idea what there talking about instead of actually improving my play.
Game 1: Nothing to say really, I shouldn't of built so many probes.
Game 2: He blind countered my build I was super behind after void ray failure, managed to get to mid game but fell behind after he could just 200/200 and throw units at me and not really care.
Game 3: I was generally ahead early game but fell apart to slow push terran thats really tough to break, could of maybe massed void rays but would of left me open to a lot of timing attacks and even then could be coming out even unless he never scouted it. (bad map choice by me)
Game 4: Scrap Station morrow doesn't really know how to play it so fell so was good pick this time, waited for range and attacked had some good ff's that put me way ahead, then macro'd because didn't want to risk losing the game. Eventually shoved and won
Game 5: Scouted map for cheese figuring he has such advantage now he would be willing to try something just to end it. He attacks I fend it off BUT (heres the big BUT), I had to cancel my observer to make immortal to fend off the attack. From then on I was playing pretty blind and wasn't sure if he was going 5 rax or 2-3 rax medivac tech.
IF he was going 5 rax and i blindly went up his ramp tralalalalal i would of got curb stomped and lost the game
IF he was going medivac i could show and probably win but at this point i had no vision and really didn't know much what he was up to.
I did not forget Collosus range many people watch my replays and say "omg he forgot it." Like orb said in his post the timing of it actually being effective and how much it would change the game were very slim especially since he was already pumping viking. Anyways its be fun reading all these great comments!
I will be sure to carefully read through everything and try as hard as possible to bring all these great strategims into my play so I won't be such a baddie next time.
GG morrow played better and won simple as that
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we need a new protoss hero imo.
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Thanks for the matches Nice to end the work week with it.
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HuK can lose any fucking showmatch he wants as long as keep dominating in tournies. Lets just hope for HuKs sake that Idra and Morrow stays away from "his" tournies
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Are the replays coming for this event?
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See the replays are up, and a nice person put up the vods for the first 3, any chance the remaining games have vods up, and if so where?
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On September 04 2010 07:56 Jaug wrote:
Are the replays coming for this event?
Kidding me right?
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On September 04 2010 07:42 Senx wrote:HuK can lose any fucking showmatch he wants as long as keep dominating in tournies. Lets just hope for HuKs sake that Idra and Morrow stays away from "his" tournies
He just needs to learn to macro harder. A lot of the game changing momentum that MorroW gained was due to simply outproducing his rax unit spam vs. HuK struggling to keep a gateway army of the same size and at the same time getting "counter" units. HuK's attention was spread and at the same time MorroW could just handle any situation by simply building more units. Oh and cute dropship play. Commendable micro.
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huk is ok, but white-ra is better. He has his own website, duh.
Impressive play by morrow. I wonder if he thumbs down scrap or something, Huk says he doesnt know how to play it all.
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Whitera doesn't have a lot of time to play and it really effects him.
He does amazing on ladder, but he loves to play a macro game and Terran can just crush a macroing Protoss with their 1 base plays that are easy to transition into n base plays (n is being used as an algebraic reference).
I don't want to make this a "whine" post but it's hard for the Protoss to keep up because Protoss units are, in mass numbers, generally weaker and until you get High Templar and can constantly pump them are far more expensive. More so when you consider the amount of gas needed to tech to templar, and then constantly pump them out, against a Terran who plays MMM.
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Are VODs going to be coming up for this or should I just watch the replays?
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huk is definitely one of the best protoss but lets see if he can win a global challenge or against koreans
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On September 04 2010 08:28 Me1234 wrote:
huk is definitely one of the best protoss but lets see if he can win a global challenge or against koreans MLG was kind of global. Top European players, like Socke and Sjow, were there. Also, in King of the Beta HuK showed he can beat top Korean (Tester), not that it's a surprise.
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On September 04 2010 08:10 Cranberries wrote:
Whitera doesn't have a lot of time to play and it really effects him.
He does amazing on ladder, but he loves to play a macro game and Terran can just crush a macroing Protoss with their 1 base plays that are easy to transition into n base plays (n is being used as an algebraic reference).
I don't want to make this a "whine" post but it's hard for the Protoss to keep up because Protoss units are, in mass numbers, generally weaker and until you get High Templar and can constantly pump them are far more expensive. More so when you consider the amount of gas needed to tech to templar, and then constantly pump them out, against a Terran who plays MMM.
Why doesnt White-Ra have time to play? Is it because hes such a pillar of the eastern european gaming community, organizing tournaments and such?
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On September 04 2010 08:41 m3rciless wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 08:10 Cranberries wrote:
Whitera doesn't have a lot of time to play and it really effects him.
He does amazing on ladder, but he loves to play a macro game and Terran can just crush a macroing Protoss with their 1 base plays that are easy to transition into n base plays (n is being used as an algebraic reference).
I don't want to make this a "whine" post but it's hard for the Protoss to keep up because Protoss units are, in mass numbers, generally weaker and until you get High Templar and can constantly pump them are far more expensive. More so when you consider the amount of gas needed to tech to templar, and then constantly pump them out, against a Terran who plays MMM. Why doesnt White-Ra have time to play? Is it because hes such a pillar of the eastern european gaming community, organizing tournaments and such?
I think it's more that he has a family and job outside of SC2, and something like his wife not really liking him spending all that time on the game. That's what I've heard from the grapevine at least.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 04 2010 07:33 HuK wrote:I'm not going to address all the issues brought up in this thread because if I did that every time some "pro" thought he had a great idea of why I won or lost a game, I would spend more time on the forum arguing with people who generally have no idea what there talking about instead of actually improving my play. Game 1: Nothing to say really, I shouldn't of built so many probes. Game 2: He blind countered my build I was super behind after void ray failure, managed to get to mid game but fell behind after he could just 200/200 and throw units at me and not really care. Game 3: I was generally ahead early game but fell apart to slow push terran thats really tough to break, could of maybe massed void rays but would of left me open to a lot of timing attacks and even then could be coming out even unless he never scouted it. (bad map choice by me) Game 4: Scrap Station morrow doesn't really know how to play it so fell so was good pick this time, waited for range and attacked had some good ff's that put me way ahead, then macro'd because didn't want to risk losing the game. Eventually shoved and won Game 5: Scouted map for cheese figuring he has such advantage now he would be willing to try something just to end it. He attacks I fend it off BUT (heres the big BUT), I had to cancel my observer to make immortal to fend off the attack. From then on I was playing pretty blind and wasn't sure if he was going 5 rax or 2-3 rax medivac tech. IF he was going 5 rax and i blindly went up his ramp tralalalalal i would of got curb stomped and lost the game IF he was going medivac i could show and probably win but at this point i had no vision and really didn't know much what he was up to. I did not forget Collosus range many people watch my replays and say "omg he forgot it." Like orb said in his post the timing of it actually being effective and how much it would change the game were very slim especially since he was already pumping viking. Anyways its be fun reading all these great comments! I will be sure to carefully read through everything and try as hard as possible to bring all these great strategims into my play so I won't be such a baddie next time. GG morrow played better and won simple as that
Huk your the man, I had a hard time picking sides but ty for bringing a fun attitude into MLG and this showmatch. Thanks for the justification but it wasn't really needed, you are better than most the people criticizing you on here
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I've come to like and respect HuK as a player, He is much more respectable and realistic then I had originally thought. Instead of complaining "omg X is imbalanced,this is why i lost" It's "He played better of me, I did X and he did Y"
Morrow is much better then I had remembered O_o HuK down, IdrA down.
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On September 04 2010 08:36 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 08:28 Me1234 wrote:
huk is definitely one of the best protoss but lets see if he can win a global challenge or against koreans MLG was kind of global. Top European players, like Socke and Sjow, were there. Also, in King of the Beta HuK showed he can beat top Korean (Tester), not that it's a surprise.
Sort of but it was a majority of North American players. If it had more named European or Asian player then it would have been different. HuK took a game from Tester, which doesn't mean he beat him. If he took the set then yeah that's different.
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<3 Huk. Great style, great play and great attitude. Well played to Morrow aswell, he deserves more credit then he gets I think.
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thx morrow showed us marine marauder is OP and needs alot of skill need to push a and d
Dont forget!! if u see colo press v its important
♥ u MorrroW
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Forcing Vikings doesn't seem that advantageous when 300 gas worth of Vikings can counter 600 gas worth of Collossi tech/units. All the Koreans do it, though, so maybe the timing is really that strong.
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HuK is my favorite player. I've always had a large amount of respect for him. I view your replays and try to learn from them. As a low-mid diamond Protoss, you set a good example to follow.
On the topic at hand. I enjoyed the games very much, I hope to see more show matches in the future. I seemed to have learned HuK's play style pretty well, since I was able to properly assess most of his builds. My favorite part was on steppes of war, how you impressively evaded morrow's army, and managed to pick off 2 tanks during your retreat.
+ Show Spoiler +To HuK, I have a question for you, on lost temple, I believe it was, you didn't tech the thermal lance upgrade on your collosi, and then switched to high templars. I had hunched you didn't build the thermal lance upgrade because you wanted to save resources for more templars.
There was a small debate between the stream commentators about this. One says you forgot the upgrade, the other says it was intentional, for your transition into high templars. I agree with the 2nd idea, that it was intentional. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
Cancel that question, I obviously missed it on his original post.
Morrow played extremely well. I was very very impressed. You have a new fan for sure!
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HuK is definitely my favorite SC2 player. Regardless if he win/loses he always plays some solid Starcraft and I'd take him (especially when he's playing his "top-level" SC2) over the likes of guys like idrA anyday.
Not sure if I'd put him above Dimaga in the "attitude" aspect but he's up there for sure! Hahahaha.
Canadian pride as well, yay.
(A good friend of mine even has his SC2 username as "ILoveHuk", hahahaha!  )
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huk why did ur nexus sometimes have full energy? IMO if u just used ur energy more and macro better u would have won.
I'm still a fan b/c u didn't do any of that all in 4 gate bullcrap.
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Great Replays thx INcontroL
Very well played by MorroW
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Toss VS terran is a hard fight if you can't get early tech, still the fact huk could take 2 wins from a terran player, is good enough for me.
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I want to sincerely apologize to everybody out there for the poor streaming capabilities that I provided earlier today. I fear my motherboard may be finding an early grave despite all the positive feedback on the lifetimes of this type of board. (Gigabyte ga-p55m-ud2)
I will make sure nothing like this happens again when I promise to do a stream of a live cast.
Sorry Inc and Lz!
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Great event!
Great games!
Great casting!
Absolutely horrible streams!
You should have foreseen that Justin.tv couldn't handle the pressure and that livestream is laggy. Someone in the stream suggested that you stream it with GLHF.tv. Those guys know how to deliver high quality streams to the masses. Fix the streaming issues for next time as it makes you seem rather unprofessional, which you clearly are not.
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It wasn't JTV or Livestream fault.
My computer blue screened and DIED, thus ending the JTV stream. (Although the country limitation does suck, I am working with them personally to get it removed.) And since Lz isn't a premier paying customer of livestream, the site doesn't dedicate enough resources his way.
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On September 04 2010 17:27 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
It wasn't JTV or Livestream fault.
My computer blue screened and DIED, thus ending the JTV stream. (Although the country limitation does suck, I am working with them personally to get it removed.) And since Lz isn't a premier paying customer of livestream, the site doesn't dedicate enough resources his way.
My point exactly: Justin.tv has country blocking and Lz stream is not geared for this traffic.
I loved the event, don't get me wrong, but spending more time looking for alternate streams than enjoying the games with friends and beer was a bit of a buzz killer.
Psyonic_Reaver, for future reference your camera action was very jittery with fast shifts in focus and you never clicked on the units so we could see what was being warped in and the supply count. Just a hint for next time.
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he didn't do the camera work he had it on my perspective or lz's.
It isn't like we tried to have a bad stream dude. Ease up a bit. We thought we could do it we had some issues we apologized and seek to do better. Not really sure what point you are making here.
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Thanks for the showmatch and the coverage geoff!
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1. great showmatch, ppl need to give incontrol and LZ a break, it's not that they are professional tournament-hosts who do this regularly; thanks to re-streams it was very watchable
2. concerning the camera-movement: I know it's unusual for a gamer to do that, but maybe you could try to move the screen with the arrow-keys on low speed; this way your mouse-cursor is "free" to select stuff and it doesn't mess with your playstyle - because as I'm sure you are aware of, once you modify the sensitivity of scrolling and get used to the slower movement, going back will feel a bit strange in the first couple of games
3. a big THANKS to morrow and huk to comment on the game here, I'm sure ppl appreciated it very much; nevertheless @huk in case you are reading that: I got the feeling that you got the impression that people are trying to "outsmart" you or think that they could have don better; that's definitely not the case, it's more like that we are all still learning the game and trying to figure out what could work under which circumstances; therefore the discussion concerning the colossi-range-upgrade or the fact that you decided to push on blistering after the fast immortals instead of throwing up an early expansion....nobody really "knows" which will turn out to be the "best way to go"
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Absolutely enjoyed the showmatch !Technical difficulties always happen but you handled them well I think.Also I don't get why everyone is whining about obs there was no problem with the obsing....
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I watched this show match yesterday, JTV worked perfectly (good quality too) until after the second or third match when the country limitations thing finally popped up for me aswell. I don't get this, do they block the whole country after a certain amount of people tune in or something? I would think if I am already watching that they'd block the newcomers, but whatever. After that it was more trouble to find a stable one but I did manage to watch most reasonably lagfree.
Anyway, made this post because of all the complaints about the camera work. I actually liked it this way. It was atleast following the action so no aggravations that you can see battles on the minimap and the camera is hovering somewhere unrelated. Only problem is yeah, never clicked on a building. I guess this can't be helped though if you put to follow another obs.
Liked the games quite a bit too. Morrow's gameplay, didn't see this mentionned before but I'm pretty sure a lot of this was intended to play mind games with Huk and confuse him about his plans and tech route. Think the very late gas, the hidden rax in base, etc. You could see Huk would always be jittery trying to anticipate, waiting for early attacks that never came, not sure if he should push out himself. And then Morrow would expand and win because of outresourcing Huk. I think Huk has to anticipate this also and do something like run a probe around those offhand expos to see what the terran is up to so because he really can't afford to fall behind in econ.
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I believe the jittery camera was due to Reaver viewing the game through LzGamer's camera. The camera just never seems to be as smooth when observing in this way, whether it's a replay or a live match.
Should definitely try and have 'first person observing' though, next time. The lack of any HUD/UI (no resource/supply counter, cannot see building queues, etc) and the jittery camera really take away from a cast.
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I just finished casting and authoring the vods for this.
I hope I didn't step on any toes, and I gave significant shoutouts to LZgamer, iNcontrol, and gosuguide.com. Thanks again for the match.
They will be uploaded to my youtube channel in about 8 hours.
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no toes are stepped on sir. Please repost here for those that missed it! Just if you don't mind link somewhere in your youtube to gosuguide.com once or twice
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Just woke up, half of these games are now uploaded on my channel, and I will definitely link gosuguide.com in the comments for you.
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how far are you at uploading schickysc? haven't seen the show yet and are very exited!
bit bumped that i missed incontrol.
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I don't see any links. Some guy got the reps to cast these. Is there any way to get the replays of these games?
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Yep. Read the first page ^_^
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Thanks a lot Schickysc. It's awesome you're doing that, I missed it because i messed up the time zones again T.T
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On September 05 2010 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:
Thanks a lot Schickysc. It's awesome you're doing that, I missed it because i messed up the time zones again T.T
Your welcome! I really enjoyed casting this series.
On September 05 2010 09:49 Oogje wrote:
how far are you at uploading schickysc? haven't seen the show yet and are very exited!
bit bumped that i missed incontrol.
Uploading is complete! All 11 vods (6 games)
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On September 05 2010 11:38 Schickysc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:
Thanks a lot Schickysc. It's awesome you're doing that, I missed it because i messed up the time zones again T.T Your welcome! I really enjoyed casting this series. Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 09:49 Oogje wrote:
how far are you at uploading schickysc? haven't seen the show yet and are very exited!
bit bumped that i missed incontrol. Uploading is complete! All 11 vods (6 games)
Thanks, although you should probably link your channel. I found it through your other posts (and it should've been obvious but hey, you never know).
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morrow showing that he is prolly the deepest terran in sc2.
Did huk ever give an answer to his 6 range collossus? I assumed its cos he goes for templar and storm soon afterwards and doesnt have gas for it.
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Aww, I missed this live; time to watch the replays I guess >.>
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On September 05 2010 15:13 T0fuuu wrote:
morrow showing that he is prolly the deepest terran in sc2.
Did huk ever give an answer to his 6 range collossus? I assumed its cos he goes for templar and storm soon afterwards and doesnt have gas for it.
Colossus and templar? Hell of a mix.
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I just finish watching replays. This showmatch was boring as hell. Almost the same thing all the games, exepct VR opening on metalo, but the following was identical to the other games.
Huk is soooo overrated. I mean, hes obviously decent player, taking expand, pumping units, etc..
But there is absolutly no creativity/variety in his play. He almost never uses warp prism to harass or outpositionning terran army, he never uses phoenix opening, never uses fast blink rush, never uses 1gate FE build, never uses hallucinations, never uses templars drops, ....
Watch his games vs Machine at IEM America. I mean... I was speechless
+ Show Spoiler +First game is simply pathetic. He saw the pool 6 coming and dont double pilon his gates... GG... Seriously.... Im glad i dont have to pay to watch this shitty play ^^
Did he ever seen Tester playing? Its like they play a different game ^^
Plus, he makes sooo many mistakes...
Unfortunatly, hes not the only "Top or Semi-pro Foreigners" in this case. So much of these guys are overrated, expect a handful of them who are really talented players, like TLO, Bratok, Dimaga...
Its maybe the time to admit it and stop the : "OMG That Was Pure Genius !!! God What a FantaSick play !!!! Jesus this is Soooooo Smart !!!"
Casters, rmain objective pls.
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Thanks for the VoDs, and ofc for the original broadcast, was tremendous fun to have players play hard for moeny, but free enough to enjoy their games.
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TY Schickysc. Good VODs. Was unable to watch it live so it was great.
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On September 04 2010 18:27 Raskit wrote:
I believe the jittery camera was due to Reaver viewing the game through LzGamer's camera. The camera just never seems to be as smooth when observing in this way, whether it's a replay or a live match.
Should definitely try and have 'first person observing' though, next time. The lack of any HUD/UI (no resource/supply counter, cannot see building queues, etc) and the jittery camera really take away from a cast.
This needs to be quoted for emphasis. It is a classic mistake when streaming, but it detracts so much from the viewing experience.
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On September 04 2010 06:24 Aeres wrote:
Congratulations to HuK and MorroW for an excellent showmatch series! =) Don't spend all your krona in one place, MorroW!
... although it IS Sweden, so it's probably going towards taxes...
here we go..
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