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rawr-
Profile Joined May 2007
Denmark28 Posts
August 22 2010 14:44 GMT
#3541
This terran whine everytime a terran as much as wins a match against a zerg is getting ridiculous, it seems according to people that everytime that terran does a bit of harrassment it's just soo lame, where as in broodwar where there do exist the same type of constant harrassment like muta harrass which is insanely powerful can lock a player inside a base people go "uhh great control uhh".
Everybody seems to think that it's just autowin vs zerg if you are terran, I mean yes terran might have a slight advantage vs zerg not denying that but it's FAR from autowin, and that advantage might change later as more strategies will evolve same as it have done in so many other games before without there having been any real balance changes. But I guess people wont stop crying about imbalances until zergs win every tournament there is.

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Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
August 22 2010 14:44 GMT
#3542
On August 22 2010 23:43 Doraemon wrote:
theres protoss in sc2?

hahaha. poor dragons, getting extinct in both versions =[


Their terrible AI lives on in immortals however.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
August 22 2010 14:45 GMT
#3543
On August 22 2010 23:43 Orton1 wrote:
I don't get what everyone is complaining about...

All in > Fast Expansion.

I always though that was RTS 101.


Problem here is that Terran all-ins > Zerg 1-base, too
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 14:49:34
August 22 2010 14:45 GMT
#3544
On August 22 2010 23:35 Gaxton wrote:
Big congrats to MorroW.
Sweden repesents!

PS: That blond chick need to bleach her roots.

You're watching a half naked chick and all you can focus on is her hair...?
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
August 22 2010 14:45 GMT
#3545
On August 22 2010 23:42 floor exercise wrote:
We need some protoss whiners in here, lest we run the risk of forgetting the entire race exists


We're drowned out by the insane number of zerg whiners (even though they got 2nd and 3rd place)....well at least toss still has zeratul!
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
August 22 2010 14:45 GMT
#3546
On August 22 2010 23:44 Therickz wrote:
[image loading]

>9000 hours in photoshop


fake. i can see the pixels

anyway. great to see morrow win. nerfing will definitely happen. guess we'll have to wait
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
August 22 2010 14:45 GMT
#3547
now after a few minutes have passed, i have a few new thoughts.

im not a sc player, i just watch the games and follow the scene for about 3 years now.
now i never supported idra much except for the last year or so.

this tournament was a great showing on how strong idra is.
yes he didnt win this tournament, but i really think morrow won't stay in the top5 in the next tournaments (thats my oppinion as a competitive gamer from various other agmes for quite a long time)
the stars alligned this tournament for him, but the fact that idra can take that beating and he will continue playing and wining shows how strong idra is.

semi finals were way more interesting to watch than finals in my eyes.
even quake finals were way more interesting than the sc2 finals.

also, do people honestly think morrow is proud of the way he won?
his face told it all, he was almost ashamed of the way he won. Obviously he will take the money and is happy he won, but trust me, he does not feel proud in these games.

how about idra? he did tilt and he did make mistakes, and i really think he is more mad at his own mistakes rather than the "reaper rushes". Also he was tilted he did not think/play straight, he made mistakes that lost him a macro game, and then he lost the game cause morrow smartly switched things up. (we used that all the time in counter strike, rush A plant 4 times in a row, then throw exactly same grenades and switch to another plant in split second, that catches people off guard) this worked for morrow, like i said, everything alligned for him to win this tournament.

overall i enjoyed following this tournament, just the sc2 finals were a bit dissapointing.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 22 2010 14:45 GMT
#3548
On August 22 2010 23:41 Ohdamn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 23:38 Azarkon wrote:
Let's not talk about imbalance.

The important thing is that Morrow did what all the other Terrans in the tournament could not: defeat Idra and Dimaga. This shows him to be the strongest TvZ in the entire tournament, bar none. You cannot dismiss the fact that 2nd and 3rd place were both taken by Zergs. If Terran was truly so easy to play, why couldn't Strelok, Tarson, Lucifron, Sarens, etc. beat the Zergs?

Oh, and he also defeated TLO.

He totally deserves this.

Congrats Morrow. This tournament will surely put your name on the map when it comes to SC 2.

this is because they didn't go 5rax reaper EVERY SINGLE MATCH


Because they couldn't. Their fault.

Morrow didn't come into this playing 5-rax reaper, either. He switched into it because his other strat did not work. That's called adaptation, which the other Terrans didn't do, at least as well.

If you think any of the Terrans in this tournament refused to play that strategy because of "honor," you've got a lot of learning to do.
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
August 22 2010 14:45 GMT
#3549
On August 22 2010 23:43 Doraemon wrote:
theres protoss in sc2?

hahaha. poor dragons, getting extinct in both versions =[

Yes luckily this one tournament decides everything about balance.
here i am
tianGO
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina591 Posts
August 22 2010 14:46 GMT
#3550
Wish Dimaga had won this just to see him with the 2 chicks...
"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future."
FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
August 22 2010 14:46 GMT
#3551
On August 22 2010 23:43 Eury wrote:
I don't understand how people are whining about Reapers, when Idra defended against it perfectly fine, except in the first game when he fucked up?
Morrow was the better player today, simple as that.

But lets say Reapers are overpowered, how do you suggest changing them without making them completely useless?


I'm not implying they are imbalanced as i am no expert in zvt but...

changing reaper cost to 75/50 for example would punish the 5 rax -- cc transition and make the 5 rax reaper play more all-inish. Right now it isn't cheese, it's just a really strong harass followed by a safe expo.

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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
August 22 2010 14:46 GMT
#3552
Don't hate the player, hate the game
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
August 22 2010 14:47 GMT
#3553
On August 22 2010 23:40 Swede wrote:
Show nested quote +
And less talk about gay strategies and rape


Did anyone else cringe when Apollo said "rape" in front of hundreds of audience members? I was ashamed to be a gamer.

Na that phrase is commonly used by germans commentators so np. I dont like it too but nobody really cares....

well as Take said: Lets not talk about Imbalance...!

I personally found the IEM EPIC . Some reaaaaally great games which kept getting better and better.
It was some of the best and intense Sc2 Ive seen so far. We had some amazing players like Dimaga or TLO. And NADA !!!!!!!. playing in front of a crowd. Also lots of rage and drama.Furthermore we had one of the best interviewers ever.

I cant wait for the next IEM
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
August 22 2010 14:47 GMT
#3554
The next time I think a Flash-Jaedong BW-Livereport thread is bad, I will just browse through this one to remind myself that it could be so much worse..
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
August 22 2010 14:47 GMT
#3555
You to play to win the game! -Herm Edwards


Morrow did what he had to do and everybody in his position would do exact same thing if they knew for certain their odds would increase. Morrow deserves every bit of victory. Balance will continue to shift for the months and years to come and the whiners will always have something to complain about.

Grats Morrow!
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 22 2010 14:48 GMT
#3556
IdrA fans ought to get used to this kind of loss. IdrA generally doesn't lose any other way (he says so himself all the time). When people beat IdrA, it's almost always because they do weird and ultra aggressive openings. If there ever is a guy who plays passive and macro-oriented and wins, sure he'll deserve a lot of respect. But you can't disrespect every guy before that who takes the more obvious route.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
August 22 2010 14:48 GMT
#3557
Wowa, Day9 sounds exactly like Tasteless right now lol
esperanto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany357 Posts
August 22 2010 14:48 GMT
#3558
Maybe terran is unbalanced, maybe not. But morrow clearly deserves to be on top of this tournament (at least he deserves to be in top3).
Morrow won the series, when he beat Idra in a macro-game.
I think Idra showd really good manners during the whole tournament and he is defenitly one of the best players in the world (even if he tilted a lil in the finals).

But to be honest, i think the real winner of this tournament is Dimaga, he is such a cool guy.
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
August 22 2010 14:48 GMT
#3559
I wish Idra played differently at least every once in while. It seems way too easy to plan a series against him and come up with counter builds. It sets him at a disadvantage in planning for BoX, in addition to the fact that his games are some of the most popular.


This isn't exactly an accurate comparison but even Jaedong couldn't win a starleague if he 12 hatched every game and is known for 12 hatching every game.
jfourz
Profile Joined August 2009
Ireland421 Posts
August 22 2010 14:49 GMT
#3560
pity about IdrA tilting. but this tournament was really good; lots of very exciting games. i loved the 3rd 4th playoff especially, game 4a was best
it is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. that is true, it's called life.
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