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On August 22 2010 23:51 MaleficOR wrote:Yep the only silver lining in this borefest of a finals is that terran will most definitely be nerfed. Oh well GG IdrA is the winner in my book.
You really made an account to say that?
Holy crap Carmac had a phenomenal wrap up at the end. Very professional and articulate conversation (minus the hearing difficulties). They should have had him do all the post game interviews over TaKe :/
Wouldn't have been half as funny that way 
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On August 22 2010 23:52 BlindDruid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:49 raidmaster wrote:
Man, though I really respect Idra I'm really stunned of his overall behavior. He has shown no emotions at all. If I would have won 2500 $ I would be at least as happy as Dimaga, probably much more. Seriously, he's appearance is also really scary - so pale and skinny. He shouldn't spend so much time playong games, you know, it's good to train much, but I feel he trains too much and this is never a good thing.
Except that, GG Morrow & Idra, congratz, you both played really well. I also loved Tarson & Dimaga play and good manners.
Btw. Tarson - the only person beating Morow :D
Nice tournament. No, his mindset is " i play to win" - so he hasn`t won money - he lost the money that he would have gained from beiing first. That`s some attitude you need to have. Or do you think michael jordan for example said once: Well beeing second is great? No he didn`t.
That's ridiculous, professional sports are not all or nothing, there are still rewards and goals for ranking highly. A second place finish in a tournament of this size is not exactly a small accomplishment
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On August 22 2010 23:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
IdrA fans ought to get used to this kind of loss. IdrA generally doesn't lose any other way (he says so himself all the time). When people beat IdrA, it's almost always because they do weird and ultra aggressive openings. If there ever is a guy who plays passive and macro-oriented and wins, sure he'll deserve a lot of respect. But you can't disrespect every guy before that who takes the more obvious route.
you know i didnt even watch the matches and im probably not gonna watch the replays, but did he open with reapers every single game?
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On August 22 2010 23:50 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
IdrA fans ought to get used to this kind of loss. IdrA generally doesn't lose any other way (he says so himself all the time). When people beat IdrA, it's almost always because they do weird and ultra aggressive openings. If there ever is a guy who plays passive and macro-oriented and wins, sure he'll deserve a lot of respect. But you can't disrespect every guy before that who takes the more obvious route. And MorroW just made best use of what is available right now, you cannot blame him or call him bad mannered / greedy, whatever. Apart from really slight terran opening issues I cannot believe how balanced Starcraft 2 already is without a single balance patch after release. It's frigging amazing!
You like to slap all the Toss players in their faces do you?!? :D
There are minor tweaks that needs to be done, in ZvP as well as PvT as well. Well sometimes there are major tweaks needed.
There is still a lot to do.
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On August 22 2010 23:50 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:49 raidmaster wrote:
Man, though I really respect Idra I'm really stunned of his overall behavior. He has shown no emotions at all. If I would have won 2500 $ I would be at least as happy as Dimaga, probably much more. Seriously, he's appearance is also really scary - so pale and skinny. He shouldn't spend so much time playong games, you know, it's good to train much, but I feel he trains too much and this is never a good thing.
Except that, GG Morrow & Idra, congratz, you both played really well. I also loved Tarson & Dimaga play and good manners.
Btw. Tarson - the only person beating Morow :D
Nice tournament. out of curiosity does idras prize money go to cj?
Doesn't seem so. When he won KOTB, there was an interview with him and he said that he is gonna save it up for future.
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I have a serious topic I would like to bring up. I firmly believe that IdrA should, from this day forward, be known as the Tree Trunk Zerg.
I would gladly give up my life to make this a reality
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On August 22 2010 23:53 chekthehek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
IdrA fans ought to get used to this kind of loss. IdrA generally doesn't lose any other way (he says so himself all the time). When people beat IdrA, it's almost always because they do weird and ultra aggressive openings. If there ever is a guy who plays passive and macro-oriented and wins, sure he'll deserve a lot of respect. But you can't disrespect every guy before that who takes the more obvious route. you know i didnt even watch the matches and im probably not gonna watch the replays, but did he open with reapers every single game?
1-3
G4 he went for helion marauder
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On August 22 2010 23:52 BlindDruid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:49 raidmaster wrote:
Man, though I really respect Idra I'm really stunned of his overall behavior. He has shown no emotions at all. If I would have won 2500 $ I would be at least as happy as Dimaga, probably much more. Seriously, he's appearance is also really scary - so pale and skinny. He shouldn't spend so much time playong games, you know, it's good to train much, but I feel he trains too much and this is never a good thing.
Except that, GG Morrow & Idra, congratz, you both played really well. I also loved Tarson & Dimaga play and good manners.
Btw. Tarson - the only person beating Morow :D
Nice tournament. No, his mindset is " i play to win" - so he hasn`t won money - he lost the money that he would have gained from beiing first. That`s some attitude you need to have. Or do you think michael jordan for example said once: Well beeing second is great? No he didn`t.
Yeah, this attitude will pull the community forward, it's really better to be a robot with only one goal in his mind, than a nice guy who actually wishes the best to his opponent even after losing, because they are all on one boat playing the same game they love, working in the same community.
Look at how dimaga and tarson reacted when their match finished, now look at the final match. Sad.
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On August 22 2010 23:29 enzym wrote:
its amazing how many people cant abstain from their blind rage about a game they dont understand.
idra defended morrows supposedly imbalanced reaper play very well, he won one game against it and made a blunder in the other one, where he fought morrows force off creep and then didnt have enough units to finish him off with his all in attack. in the last game morrow played mind games and thus completed his series.
i dont understand how so many people cant see how much timing and mechanical skill morrows reaper play takes and how idra still defended and wins against it and then still call it unbeatable, imbalanced and exploitative (and btw, any strategy that makes use of a weakness in the opponents position is exploitative by definition).
people have such low standards that i cant even express my disgust for this face of so called starcraft fans.
there is no imbalance. and even if there was, complaining about it is nothing but unprofessional and childish.
grow up and grow a brain, people, please! calm down and take a step back and take note of what actually happened in each game.
best statement about reapers and "imbalance" yet!!!
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On August 22 2010 23:50 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:48 Shatter wrote:
I wish Idra played differently at least every once in while. It seems way too easy to plan a series against him and come up with counter builds. It sets him at a disadvantage in planning for BoX, in addition to the fact that his games are some of the most popular.
This isn't exactly an accurate comparison but even Jaedong couldn't win a starleague if he 12 hatched every game and is known for 12 hatching every game. Dimaga has tried different builds (e.g. quick nydus all-in), and we saw how well that turned out. Other than that, there is no other opening Z build besides 14 gas 14 pool that is safe against 3-rax --> 5 rax reaper. My point really didn't have to do with the games themselves. More of planning for a series. Idra is at such a disadvantage because people know the sun will explode before Idra tries any cheese/semi-cheese or even really deviates from his Idra build. So it is much more simple to come up with strategies to beat him in a BoX.
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Amazing tournament, so many nice games! Hopefully sponsors see how successful this was and esports will grow a lot in the upcoming years!
I've been having the biggest smile on my face today ever since the 3rd-4th game started. =)
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You guy are morons, if all a player's goal was to win the game no matter what then Zerg would be 100% winners with 4 pool.
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Props to Idra for punishing so many players with his solid strats. He will always be the #1 SC2 player to me ^^.
MorroW did what he had to do to win, used a strategy with an opening that has no real weakness v. zerg for the first few games then metagamed his opponent with hidden tech and an all-in. Much respect to this ballsy Swede!
However, I must give my MVP of the IEM Global Challenge: Cologne to DIMAGA for being such a goddamn HANDSOME BALLER PIMP! Watching that guy seriously made me fist pump more than I have during any other SC2 tournament ever, including all the beta ones.
GG WP to all the players in the tournament and especially to all the Zerg players who put up HUGE defense in the face of overwhelming Terran force. For a tournament that had 8 Terran, 4 Zerg, and 4 Protoss, to see 2 Zerg and a Terran as the finishers makes me proud to support the Zerg and those who play them!
GREAT TOURNAMENT ESL and IEM!!! GRATS MORROW!!!! IDRA YOU ARE STILL THE KING OF THE BETA AND YOU WILL BECOME A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH IN THE COMING DAYS OF SC2 E-SPORTS!
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On August 22 2010 23:53 rockon1215 wrote:
I have a serious topic I would like to bring up. I firmly believe that IdrA should, from this day forward, be known as the Tree Trunk Zerg.
I would gladly give up my life to make this a reality
post it in the idra fanclub thread
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On August 22 2010 23:53 super_toast wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:52 BlindDruid wrote:On August 22 2010 23:49 raidmaster wrote:
Man, though I really respect Idra I'm really stunned of his overall behavior. He has shown no emotions at all. If I would have won 2500 $ I would be at least as happy as Dimaga, probably much more. Seriously, he's appearance is also really scary - so pale and skinny. He shouldn't spend so much time playong games, you know, it's good to train much, but I feel he trains too much and this is never a good thing.
Except that, GG Morrow & Idra, congratz, you both played really well. I also loved Tarson & Dimaga play and good manners.
Btw. Tarson - the only person beating Morow :D
Nice tournament. No, his mindset is " i play to win" - so he hasn`t won money - he lost the money that he would have gained from beiing first. That`s some attitude you need to have. Or do you think michael jordan for example said once: Well beeing second is great? No he didn`t. That's ridiculous, professional sports are not all or nothing, there are still rewards and goals for ranking highly. A second place finish in a tournament of this size is not exactly a small accomplishment
If you play to be number one, you play to be number one.
And you are not satisfied finishing second.
At least not in the first minutes.
You feel like a loser, no matter which position you placed.
I bet tomorrow he will say "oh cool i won money" - but just after losing you can`t get exited over second place.
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5 Rax reaper into an expo followup is completely brutal. It's amazing to me that you can do that and its not even an all-in, but its by far the most early pressure that someone can put in any of the match-ups IMO.
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On August 22 2010 23:55 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 23:53 rockon1215 wrote:
I have a serious topic I would like to bring up. I firmly believe that IdrA should, from this day forward, be known as the Tree Trunk Zerg.
I would gladly give up my life to make this a reality post it in the idra fanclub thread good idea
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Dimaga is definitely one of my new faves. He's always so happy and cheery and his smiles is infectious. 
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Idra played so bad in the final, especially that third game in blistering sands. He macroed like a silver player, the bottom expo was a horrible decision because it was so close to the terran's base which made it real hard for idra to defend it. He wasn't larva injecting well with the queens, he placed that evolution chamber so badly in his first expo, and he didn't make a single muta which would have worked great against Morrow's mostly marauder army.
Anyone else think this match might have been fixed? Maybe Morrow didn't have anything to do with it, but I think Idra threw the match.
User was warned for this post
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I just have a few statements that I want to leave here because I think all of this whining is getting ridiculous from both sides of the argument.
1) For the people blaming Morrow for his play, what the hell do you expect him to do? Go "oh well my race is imba so I'm going to not try hard to make it even" ? He's been playing Terran since the beta first started. He played Terran at an incredibly high level in SC1. Of course he's going to play as best he can to win. You think that he's going to gimp himself just because he doesn't want random people on the internet to call him out on his race he's been playing for years being OP just recently? Come on.
2) IdrA did NOT play well on some of the games, especially Blistering Sands. 1000 mins/1000 gas? Max energy on queens? Come on. You can't say that IdrA was the better player that game at all and that he got beat just because of a cheesy strategy.
3) The game is what like not even 2 months old? People arguing about racial imbalances really need to take a step back and stop jumping on bandwagons. It seems like every single Terran on TL is arguing that Terran isn't OP, and every single Zerg on TL is arguing that Terran is more OP than anything else on the planet. I'm not saying that SC2 is the most balanced thing ever, it's obviously not, but seriously just give it time and try your best to play well. I'm so sick of people blaming racial imbalances for every single match ever that's being played right now, but I'm also sick of people seeing like one match where a zerg beats a terran or protoss and goes SEE?? ZERG IS JUST FINE.
I've been lurking TL for a couple years now and started posting about a year ago, and I really can barely stand reading a lot of sections of this forum anymore. Nobody is willing to compromise, nobody is willing to take a neutral stance on anything it seems like anymore, especially involving SC2. There's ridiculous, wild calls for nerfs and people blaming PLAYERS for problems with SC2. Really? Come on.
Of course there's going to be problems with SC2. I'm not even going to get into my biggest problem with the game, being that it's actually just not fun at all to play or watch, but even beyond that I can't believe people are SO incendiary that they have to be like this about a game in its infant state. Instead of making ridiculous claims and just trying to get whatever race you play at the time to be easy for you, why not actually make logical, well thought out suggestions. Terran doesn't need to be nerfed. At all. Zerg needs to be buffed however. But there's so many people who just are so ANGRY that they are blaming players like Morrow for it. Jeez.
If anything, be mad at Blizzard for making the game not fun first of all, and not balanced second. But please, please, please, don't blame the players. That's just ridiculous.
Congratulations to Morrow for winning the tournament, and congrats to Idra, DImaga, Tarson, and everyone else for being really good players and playing some exciting games.
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