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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
August 22 2010 14:56 GMT
#3601
On August 22 2010 23:55 Rev0lution wrote:
You guy are morons, if all a player's goal was to win the game no matter what then Zerg would be 100% winners with 4 pool.


i... what?
~
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
August 22 2010 14:57 GMT
#3602
Isn't that guy wearing a handsome nerd shirt?
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
August 22 2010 14:57 GMT
#3603
On August 22 2010 23:57 vyyye wrote:
Isn't that guy wearing a handsome nerd shirt?


You bet he is.
Chesner
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Iceland817 Posts
August 22 2010 14:58 GMT
#3604
Classic Tee-Shurt!
PENGUINS
ConsummateK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
August 22 2010 14:58 GMT
#3605
+ Show Spoiler +
Awww, IdrA lost

Was there any bm involved?
ZooG
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden618 Posts
August 22 2010 14:58 GMT
#3606
congrats to Morrow, very wp! (Sweden fighting~)
"Rain, also a name for a meteorological condition" -Artosis
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
August 22 2010 14:58 GMT
#3607
On August 22 2010 23:56 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 23:55 Rev0lution wrote:
You guy are morons, if all a player's goal was to win the game no matter what then Zerg would be 100% winners with 4 pool.


i... what?

I don't even

User was warned for this post
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Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
August 22 2010 14:59 GMT
#3608
On August 22 2010 23:56 Angra wrote:
If anything, be mad at Blizzard for making the game not fun first of all, and not balanced second. But please, please, please, don't blame the players. That's just ridiculous.


The game isn't fun at all...why are you even on this forum then?
MaleficOR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States315 Posts
August 22 2010 14:59 GMT
#3609
[QUOTE]On August 22 2010 23:53 vyyye wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2010 23:51 MaleficOR wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2010 23:46 Dommk wrote:
Don't hate the player, hate the game[/QUOTE]

Yep the only silver lining in this borefest of a finals is that terran will most definitely be nerfed.

Oh well GG IdrA is the winner in my book. [/QUOTE]
You really made an account to say that?

Nah long time lurker but thanks for asking
Its ihdra, like the beginning of idiot- IdrA
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 22 2010 15:00 GMT
#3610
On August 22 2010 23:54 Shatter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 23:50 teamsolid wrote:
On August 22 2010 23:48 Shatter wrote:
I wish Idra played differently at least every once in while. It seems way too easy to plan a series against him and come up with counter builds. It sets him at a disadvantage in planning for BoX, in addition to the fact that his games are some of the most popular.


This isn't exactly an accurate comparison but even Jaedong couldn't win a starleague if he 12 hatched every game and is known for 12 hatching every game.

Dimaga has tried different builds (e.g. quick nydus all-in), and we saw how well that turned out. Other than that, there is no other opening Z build besides 14 gas 14 pool that is safe against 3-rax --> 5 rax reaper.
My point really didn't have to do with the games themselves. More of planning for a series. Idra is at such a disadvantage because people know the sun will explode before Idra tries any cheese/semi-cheese or even really deviates from his Idra build. So it is much more simpler to come up with strategies to beat him in a BoX.


Zerg have a good cheese? Honestly, if there was a zerg build that had a moderate success I'm sure some zerg would try it to throw terran off their game. However, if there is one, I certainly haven't seen it.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
phungus420
Profile Joined October 2008
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 15:04:30
August 22 2010 15:00 GMT
#3611
Not the most entertaining final. I don't understand the Morrow hate though, he was playing for thousands of dollars, limiting his strategies to other people's views of "honor" would have made no sense. Not to say ZvT isn't imba (it clearly is), but idrA tilted bad after game 1, letting himself getting up to 1000/1000 in early game resources; and chasing reapers off the creap with non speed boosted roaches multiple times (also his gg in game 1 was premature). Morrow also deserves some credit for pulling off a beautiful mind game in game 4, very well played.

This series did highlight the ZvT balance issues as well. 5 rax and 6 pool seem to have equivalent early game strength, yet 6 pool is totally all in, and can't be sustained beyond a couple minutes, while 5 rax, can with some high level play, transition into an expansion bio/mech build. This is really the problem with ZvT, Z simply has no viable agressive early openers against Terran.
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 15:01:42
August 22 2010 15:00 GMT
#3612
On August 22 2010 23:58 ConsummateK wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Awww, IdrA lost

Was there any bm involved?



his interview afterwards consisted of:

yeah idk probably

lol


edit:

also why are people calling game 4 a mind game? it wasnt a mind game, he was hiding tech. it happens in every single starcraft game. this hidden tech was just more important
just here
CuttyFlam
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium523 Posts
August 22 2010 15:01 GMT
#3613
btw could anyone post a screenshot of dimaga stealing one of the girls ?
My stream failed the moment he ran onstage thats why .
Leave it to ................... Luck!!
Wakamex
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada47 Posts
August 22 2010 15:01 GMT
#3614
Just zipped all the replays from Day 5 of IEM, spoiler-free. Enjoy.
PulseSUI
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland305 Posts
August 22 2010 15:01 GMT
#3615
can we please stop the commenting on how good/bad the play was from IdrA or MorroW.. at least until the replays are posted and we can actualy look at it our self?

while i have all the respect for Day9 and d.apollo, they are not allways right.
during the LuciferoN vs HasuObs game they commented on the bad macro from Hasu who was floating 1k minerals when at the same time LuciferoN was up to almost 2.5k minerals and 1k+ gas.

just saying, commenting on player skill based on a low quality stream is pointless.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12088 Posts
August 22 2010 15:02 GMT
#3616
On August 22 2010 23:59 MaleficOR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 23:53 vyyye wrote:
On August 22 2010 23:51 MaleficOR wrote:
On August 22 2010 23:46 Dommk wrote:
Don't hate the player, hate the game


Yep the only silver lining in this borefest of a finals is that terran will most definitely be nerfed.

Oh well GG IdrA is the winner in my book.

You really made an account to say that?


Nah long time lurker but thanks for asking


How were the finals boring? If anything reaper play is some of the most exciting play in sc2.
chekthehek
Profile Joined May 2010
United States279 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 15:03:06
August 22 2010 15:02 GMT
#3617
On August 23 2010 00:02 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 23:59 MaleficOR wrote:
On August 22 2010 23:53 vyyye wrote:
On August 22 2010 23:51 MaleficOR wrote:
On August 22 2010 23:46 Dommk wrote:
Don't hate the player, hate the game


Yep the only silver lining in this borefest of a finals is that terran will most definitely be nerfed.

Oh well GG IdrA is the winner in my book.

You really made an account to say that?


Nah long time lurker but thanks for asking


How were the finals boring? If anything reaper play is some of the most exciting play in sc2.


watching the unit that messes up the game is not that fun.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 22 2010 15:02 GMT
#3618
On August 23 2010 00:00 phungus420 wrote:
Not the most entertaining final. I don't understand the Morrow hate though, he was playing for thousands of dollars, limiting his strategies to other people's views of "honor" would have made no sense. Not to say ZvT isn't imba (it clearly is), but idrA tilted bad after game 1, letting himself getting up to 1000/1000 in early game resources; and chasing reapers off the creap with non speed boosted roaches multiple times (also his gg in game 1 was premature). Morrow also deserves some credit for pulling off a beautiful mind game in game 4, very well played.


As a note, you have to chase reapers. You can't just feint attacking them or the terran will just micro his reapers to attack move and dance exceptionally well. Further, after losing the zerglings (which will happen and has to happen) you need to push him further away to give time for the lings to hatch and get out, sitting on your creep without trying to scare the reapers off leaves you vulnerable to their longer range (and obviously no roach speed yet).
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
August 22 2010 15:02 GMT
#3619
On August 23 2010 00:02 Yurie wrote:
How were the finals boring? If anything reaper play is some of the most exciting play in sc2.


thats a pretty blunt opinion
just here
Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
August 22 2010 15:02 GMT
#3620
MorroW had to use the stategies he did, because going into lategame vs zerg as terran, is almost impossible. Ultras destroy everything combined with banelings/brood lords etc. The only map you can do lategame in is probably blistering sands and steppes of war.
In life you can obtain all sorts of material wealth, but the real treasure is the epic feelings you get while doing something you love.
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