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On July 24 2010 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 03:54 Saracen wrote:On July 24 2010 03:36 Adsee wrote:On July 24 2010 03:23 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:16 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:04 virgozero wrote:On July 23 2010 13:02 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:01 jax1492 wrote:
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win is a win ...
I know, I know, just kinda disappointed. what? that tester doesnt play the game HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE PLAYED? Why don't you join up with Idra, i think you guys will get along very well. Overreaction much? I just found the 1st and 3rd games to be a bit boring; no need to flip out on me for having my own personal opinion. I have nothing wrong with the way Tester plays, just the games themselves weren't very interesting. Yeah, though, tomorrow's game of TLO vs Idra is definitely going to be interesting. Both seem to be on equal footing and have good chances, but I'm hoping for a TLO win. a bit boring? get that retarded bias crap out of here... When it comes to watching games, I think I can tell for myself what is boring or not. Don't tell me what I should find boring or not boring, and don't assume I'm biased based on what I enjoy watching. Watching and playing Starcraft aren't exactly the same thing, and while an early cheese/rush may be a genius play in game, it isnt exactly the most fun thing to view. what is boring and what is not? lmao, are you kidding me? you hear all this fanboys discrediting testers win and make it sound like tlo is the superior player when clearly he is not... im not saying all but most of you guys are just bias and are tlo fanboys... if he was the one cheesing, you would call it genius i bet tester imo did not cheese at all, he just reacted perfectly to tlo's builds and map positioning etc the excution and decision making of tester won him the game, not what you guys call 'cheese' I understand that Tester did react well to what TLO was doing, and that he was just countering it, but I just found the games to be underwhelming, especially compared to that second game. And yes, I do find some things to be more interesting than others, can I not say that I didn't really like the 1st and 3rd (mostly the 3rd) games? Its my opinion, and I think only I can decide what is interesting or dull for myself. Its not like I'm forcing my views on anybody, I'm just pissed I can't even express them without getting into an argument. Tester definitely has the advantage for this tournament and may just take it away, but I just don't really see him being light-years away from players like TLO. I personally thought games 1 and 3 were much more exciting than game 2. I understand that many observers look at game 2 and think "wow, crazy insane macro game with tons of brilliant harass, cool units, and absolutely dominating play by TLO." But it all boiled down to TLO securing an advantage and compounding it by playing safely and taking very few tactical risks. Then he capitalizes on his advantage by going battlecruisers and nukes and everyone shits bricks. In the end, game 2 is a game catered to casual spectators, just like TLO's game 2 versus HuK on Steppes of War where he does some cutesy harass, gains a near-insurmountable advantage, and drags it out with cool units. It really reminds me of FirebatHero, tbh... Compare this to games 1 and 3, or IntoTheRainbow's games against WhiteRa, or Tester vs IdrA game 1. You can clearly see the streamlined builds, the brilliant risky decision making, and the flawless execution. It's games like these that truly show that the Koreans are still one step ahead of the foreigners, and it's games like these that give me hope that the game still has a lot of potential to grow. In the end, it's all a matter of preference. You like to see wacky units and crazy dropship harass while sitting comfortably on 5 bases behind 4 PFs and 20 tanks. I like to see razor-edge timings and precision micro battles. Have to disagree. When TLO took down Testers nexus he was at an advantage (from exploiting testers build..) but once he lost almost his whole army trying to attack before colossus he was definitely behind. Then he was behind all game long and lost like 2 barracks and depots and techlabs with blink stalkers. He's at 3 base vs 2. Then TLO drops the gold while just sparing as many units as he had left to take down the blink stalkers. Most players would have tried to take down the stalkers ASAP and tester would have been ahead. Every time tester tried to gain an advantage it was shut down by counter-harass.
Ah good, I thought I was the only one thinking that. Although I do believe they were pretty even after TLO lost alot of stuff at Testers choke and TLO was not behind.I thought the snipe of the gold expo was what finally turned the game into TLOs favor.
Anyway, I normally never comment on SC2 games just yet, I don't feel like I nearly understand enough about the game by now. And reading through the last 20 pages of comments, I'm positive that ~90% of the posters don't know enough either. Dismissing a 32minute win against a korean pro because of a nexus snipe after 5minutes (and negelecting TLO's failed follow-up attack) seems as stupid to me as calling Testers win in game 3 cheap and lucky.
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On July 24 2010 09:46 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 24 2010 03:54 Saracen wrote:On July 24 2010 03:36 Adsee wrote:On July 24 2010 03:23 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:16 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:04 virgozero wrote:On July 23 2010 13:02 Adsee wrote:
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I know, I know, just kinda disappointed. what? that tester doesnt play the game HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE PLAYED? Why don't you join up with Idra, i think you guys will get along very well. Overreaction much? I just found the 1st and 3rd games to be a bit boring; no need to flip out on me for having my own personal opinion. I have nothing wrong with the way Tester plays, just the games themselves weren't very interesting. Yeah, though, tomorrow's game of TLO vs Idra is definitely going to be interesting. Both seem to be on equal footing and have good chances, but I'm hoping for a TLO win. a bit boring? get that retarded bias crap out of here... When it comes to watching games, I think I can tell for myself what is boring or not. Don't tell me what I should find boring or not boring, and don't assume I'm biased based on what I enjoy watching. Watching and playing Starcraft aren't exactly the same thing, and while an early cheese/rush may be a genius play in game, it isnt exactly the most fun thing to view. what is boring and what is not? lmao, are you kidding me? you hear all this fanboys discrediting testers win and make it sound like tlo is the superior player when clearly he is not... im not saying all but most of you guys are just bias and are tlo fanboys... if he was the one cheesing, you would call it genius i bet tester imo did not cheese at all, he just reacted perfectly to tlo's builds and map positioning etc the excution and decision making of tester won him the game, not what you guys call 'cheese' I understand that Tester did react well to what TLO was doing, and that he was just countering it, but I just found the games to be underwhelming, especially compared to that second game. And yes, I do find some things to be more interesting than others, can I not say that I didn't really like the 1st and 3rd (mostly the 3rd) games? Its my opinion, and I think only I can decide what is interesting or dull for myself. Its not like I'm forcing my views on anybody, I'm just pissed I can't even express them without getting into an argument. Tester definitely has the advantage for this tournament and may just take it away, but I just don't really see him being light-years away from players like TLO. I personally thought games 1 and 3 were much more exciting than game 2. I understand that many observers look at game 2 and think "wow, crazy insane macro game with tons of brilliant harass, cool units, and absolutely dominating play by TLO." But it all boiled down to TLO securing an advantage and compounding it by playing safely and taking very few tactical risks. Then he capitalizes on his advantage by going battlecruisers and nukes and everyone shits bricks. In the end, game 2 is a game catered to casual spectators, just like TLO's game 2 versus HuK on Steppes of War where he does some cutesy harass, gains a near-insurmountable advantage, and drags it out with cool units. It really reminds me of FirebatHero, tbh... Compare this to games 1 and 3, or IntoTheRainbow's games against WhiteRa, or Tester vs IdrA game 1. You can clearly see the streamlined builds, the brilliant risky decision making, and the flawless execution. It's games like these that truly show that the Koreans are still one step ahead of the foreigners, and it's games like these that give me hope that the game still has a lot of potential to grow. In the end, it's all a matter of preference. You like to see wacky units and crazy dropship harass while sitting comfortably on 5 bases behind 4 PFs and 20 tanks. I like to see razor-edge timings and precision micro battles. Have to disagree. When TLO took down Testers nexus he was at an advantage (from exploiting testers build..) but once he lost almost his whole army trying to attack before colossus he was definitely behind. Then he was behind all game long and lost like 2 barracks and depots and techlabs with blink stalkers. He's at 3 base vs 2. Then TLO drops the gold while just sparing as many units as he had left to take down the blink stalkers. Most players would have tried to take down the stalkers ASAP and tester would have been ahead. Every time tester tried to gain an advantage it was shut down by counter-harass. Ah good, I thought I was the only one thinking that. Although I do believe they were pretty even after TLO lost alot of stuff at Testers choke and TLO was not behind.I thought the snipe of the gold expo was what finally turned the game into TLOs favor. Anyway, I normally never comment on SC2 games just yet, I don't feel like I nearly understand enough about the game by now. And reading through the last 20 pages of comments, I'm positive that ~90% of the posters don't know enough either. Dismissing a 32minute win against a korean pro because of a nexus snipe after 5minutes (and negelecting TLO's failed follow-up attack) seems as stupid to me as calling Testers win in game 3 cheap and lucky.
Well, Tester went for an extremely greedy build (which was a bad call imo) and got TOTALLY punished. In 95% of games it would have ended almost immediately. The fact that the game stretched so long was more of a testament to Tester's skill, imo.
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On July 24 2010 09:48 brain_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 09:46 Malinor wrote:On July 24 2010 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 24 2010 03:54 Saracen wrote:On July 24 2010 03:36 Adsee wrote:On July 24 2010 03:23 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:16 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:04 virgozero wrote:
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what? that tester doesnt play the game HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE PLAYED?
Why don't you join up with Idra, i think you guys will get along very well.
Overreaction much? I just found the 1st and 3rd games to be a bit boring; no need to flip out on me for having my own personal opinion. I have nothing wrong with the way Tester plays, just the games themselves weren't very interesting. Yeah, though, tomorrow's game of TLO vs Idra is definitely going to be interesting. Both seem to be on equal footing and have good chances, but I'm hoping for a TLO win. a bit boring? get that retarded bias crap out of here... When it comes to watching games, I think I can tell for myself what is boring or not. Don't tell me what I should find boring or not boring, and don't assume I'm biased based on what I enjoy watching. Watching and playing Starcraft aren't exactly the same thing, and while an early cheese/rush may be a genius play in game, it isnt exactly the most fun thing to view. what is boring and what is not? lmao, are you kidding me? you hear all this fanboys discrediting testers win and make it sound like tlo is the superior player when clearly he is not... im not saying all but most of you guys are just bias and are tlo fanboys... if he was the one cheesing, you would call it genius i bet tester imo did not cheese at all, he just reacted perfectly to tlo's builds and map positioning etc the excution and decision making of tester won him the game, not what you guys call 'cheese' I understand that Tester did react well to what TLO was doing, and that he was just countering it, but I just found the games to be underwhelming, especially compared to that second game. And yes, I do find some things to be more interesting than others, can I not say that I didn't really like the 1st and 3rd (mostly the 3rd) games? Its my opinion, and I think only I can decide what is interesting or dull for myself. Its not like I'm forcing my views on anybody, I'm just pissed I can't even express them without getting into an argument. Tester definitely has the advantage for this tournament and may just take it away, but I just don't really see him being light-years away from players like TLO. I personally thought games 1 and 3 were much more exciting than game 2. I understand that many observers look at game 2 and think "wow, crazy insane macro game with tons of brilliant harass, cool units, and absolutely dominating play by TLO." But it all boiled down to TLO securing an advantage and compounding it by playing safely and taking very few tactical risks. Then he capitalizes on his advantage by going battlecruisers and nukes and everyone shits bricks. In the end, game 2 is a game catered to casual spectators, just like TLO's game 2 versus HuK on Steppes of War where he does some cutesy harass, gains a near-insurmountable advantage, and drags it out with cool units. It really reminds me of FirebatHero, tbh... Compare this to games 1 and 3, or IntoTheRainbow's games against WhiteRa, or Tester vs IdrA game 1. You can clearly see the streamlined builds, the brilliant risky decision making, and the flawless execution. It's games like these that truly show that the Koreans are still one step ahead of the foreigners, and it's games like these that give me hope that the game still has a lot of potential to grow. In the end, it's all a matter of preference. You like to see wacky units and crazy dropship harass while sitting comfortably on 5 bases behind 4 PFs and 20 tanks. I like to see razor-edge timings and precision micro battles. Have to disagree. When TLO took down Testers nexus he was at an advantage (from exploiting testers build..) but once he lost almost his whole army trying to attack before colossus he was definitely behind. Then he was behind all game long and lost like 2 barracks and depots and techlabs with blink stalkers. He's at 3 base vs 2. Then TLO drops the gold while just sparing as many units as he had left to take down the blink stalkers. Most players would have tried to take down the stalkers ASAP and tester would have been ahead. Every time tester tried to gain an advantage it was shut down by counter-harass. Ah good, I thought I was the only one thinking that. Although I do believe they were pretty even after TLO lost alot of stuff at Testers choke and TLO was not behind.I thought the snipe of the gold expo was what finally turned the game into TLOs favor. Anyway, I normally never comment on SC2 games just yet, I don't feel like I nearly understand enough about the game by now. And reading through the last 20 pages of comments, I'm positive that ~90% of the posters don't know enough either. Dismissing a 32minute win against a korean pro because of a nexus snipe after 5minutes (and negelecting TLO's failed follow-up attack) seems as stupid to me as calling Testers win in game 3 cheap and lucky. Well, Tester went for an extremely greedy build (which was a bad call imo) and got TOTALLY punished. In 95% of games it would have ended almost immediately. The fact that the game stretched so long was more of a testament to Tester's skill, imo.
Tester is extremely skilled, and the koreans seem to have a better sense of timings than the other players right now.
But anyhow, I don't see how Tester played from behind the whole game. He pushed deep into TLOs natural a couple of times and was even up a base for some time during midgame. Imo the sniped Nexus never was the only reason why Tester lost that game. When his gold expo was sniped and he lost a lot of probes while he was micoring his stalkers in TLO's main, he even seemed to be out-multitasked.
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On July 24 2010 09:35 Adsee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 09:21 jamesr12 wrote:
I believe tester was 2-0 against huk (that is all that was broadcasted) I thought they played a 3rd game unreleated to the tourney. No, Day9 confirmed in his cast yesterday that there was a missing match he accidentally left out, and even after saying this, he forgot to cast it again. He should be casting it today or sometime soon.
He didn't forget to cast it again, he said he was late for something and wasn't going to cast it yesterday.
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On July 24 2010 09:57 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 09:48 brain_ wrote:On July 24 2010 09:46 Malinor wrote:On July 24 2010 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 24 2010 03:54 Saracen wrote:On July 24 2010 03:36 Adsee wrote:On July 24 2010 03:23 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:16 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 Adsee wrote:
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Overreaction much?
I just found the 1st and 3rd games to be a bit boring; no need to flip out on me for having my own personal opinion. I have nothing wrong with the way Tester plays, just the games themselves weren't very interesting.
Yeah, though, tomorrow's game of TLO vs Idra is definitely going to be interesting. Both seem to be on equal footing and have good chances, but I'm hoping for a TLO win. a bit boring? get that retarded bias crap out of here... When it comes to watching games, I think I can tell for myself what is boring or not. Don't tell me what I should find boring or not boring, and don't assume I'm biased based on what I enjoy watching. Watching and playing Starcraft aren't exactly the same thing, and while an early cheese/rush may be a genius play in game, it isnt exactly the most fun thing to view. what is boring and what is not? lmao, are you kidding me? you hear all this fanboys discrediting testers win and make it sound like tlo is the superior player when clearly he is not... im not saying all but most of you guys are just bias and are tlo fanboys... if he was the one cheesing, you would call it genius i bet tester imo did not cheese at all, he just reacted perfectly to tlo's builds and map positioning etc the excution and decision making of tester won him the game, not what you guys call 'cheese' I understand that Tester did react well to what TLO was doing, and that he was just countering it, but I just found the games to be underwhelming, especially compared to that second game. And yes, I do find some things to be more interesting than others, can I not say that I didn't really like the 1st and 3rd (mostly the 3rd) games? Its my opinion, and I think only I can decide what is interesting or dull for myself. Its not like I'm forcing my views on anybody, I'm just pissed I can't even express them without getting into an argument. Tester definitely has the advantage for this tournament and may just take it away, but I just don't really see him being light-years away from players like TLO. I personally thought games 1 and 3 were much more exciting than game 2. I understand that many observers look at game 2 and think "wow, crazy insane macro game with tons of brilliant harass, cool units, and absolutely dominating play by TLO." But it all boiled down to TLO securing an advantage and compounding it by playing safely and taking very few tactical risks. Then he capitalizes on his advantage by going battlecruisers and nukes and everyone shits bricks. In the end, game 2 is a game catered to casual spectators, just like TLO's game 2 versus HuK on Steppes of War where he does some cutesy harass, gains a near-insurmountable advantage, and drags it out with cool units. It really reminds me of FirebatHero, tbh... Compare this to games 1 and 3, or IntoTheRainbow's games against WhiteRa, or Tester vs IdrA game 1. You can clearly see the streamlined builds, the brilliant risky decision making, and the flawless execution. It's games like these that truly show that the Koreans are still one step ahead of the foreigners, and it's games like these that give me hope that the game still has a lot of potential to grow. In the end, it's all a matter of preference. You like to see wacky units and crazy dropship harass while sitting comfortably on 5 bases behind 4 PFs and 20 tanks. I like to see razor-edge timings and precision micro battles. Have to disagree. When TLO took down Testers nexus he was at an advantage (from exploiting testers build..) but once he lost almost his whole army trying to attack before colossus he was definitely behind. Then he was behind all game long and lost like 2 barracks and depots and techlabs with blink stalkers. He's at 3 base vs 2. Then TLO drops the gold while just sparing as many units as he had left to take down the blink stalkers. Most players would have tried to take down the stalkers ASAP and tester would have been ahead. Every time tester tried to gain an advantage it was shut down by counter-harass. Ah good, I thought I was the only one thinking that. Although I do believe they were pretty even after TLO lost alot of stuff at Testers choke and TLO was not behind.I thought the snipe of the gold expo was what finally turned the game into TLOs favor. Anyway, I normally never comment on SC2 games just yet, I don't feel like I nearly understand enough about the game by now. And reading through the last 20 pages of comments, I'm positive that ~90% of the posters don't know enough either. Dismissing a 32minute win against a korean pro because of a nexus snipe after 5minutes (and negelecting TLO's failed follow-up attack) seems as stupid to me as calling Testers win in game 3 cheap and lucky. Well, Tester went for an extremely greedy build (which was a bad call imo) and got TOTALLY punished. In 95% of games it would have ended almost immediately. The fact that the game stretched so long was more of a testament to Tester's skill, imo. Tester is extremely skilled, and the koreans seem to have a better sense of timings than the other players right now. But anyhow, I don't see how Tester played from behind the whole game. He pushed deep into TLOs natural a couple of times and was even up a base for some time during midgame. Imo the sniped Nexus never was the only reason why Tester lost that game. When his gold expo was sniped and he lost a lot of probes while he was micoring his stalkers in TLO's main, he even seemed to be out-multitasked.
How could you lose a FE Nexus and NOT be playing from behind? Those things you are naming were examples of Tester's excellent play after the loss of his Nexus (which permanently set him back, and in an even-skill/even-play game would have doomed him).
I agree that he was out-multitasked towards the end of the game. Terran drops are so easy, just select the dropship, D, click, then T your units once you're out. Obviously he had to pay pretty close attention to other drops, such as his game-ending Pylon snipe drop (which was brutal), but in general Terran drops are obscenely cost and micro efficient.
Protoss just doesn't have as many options. We saw what Toss has to do- basically take its entire army and blink or recall. That leaves you vulnerable to backstabs (just how Tester lost his gold). Terran, on the other hand, is not going to miss a single dropship and 8 marines, yet can use them to end the game with minimal micro in a moment of chaos.
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How could you lose a FE Nexus and NOT be playing from behind? Those things you are naming were examples of Tester's excellent play after the loss of his Nexus (which permanently set him back, and in an even-skill/even-play game would have doomed him).
I agree that he was out-multitasked towards the end of the game. Terran drops are so easy, just select the dropship, D, click, then T your units once you're out. Obviously he had to pay pretty close attention to other drops, such as his game-ending Pylon snipe drop (which was brutal), but in general Terran drops are obscenely cost and micro efficient.
Protoss just doesn't have as many options. We saw what Toss has to do- basically take its entire army and blink or recall. That leaves you vulnerable to backstabs (just how Tester lost his gold). Terran, on the other hand, is not going to miss a single dropship and 8 marines, yet can use them to end the game with minimal micro in a moment of chaos.
Protoss drop abuse is almost non-existent. Just because they don't bother doesn't mean they don't have options.
And by your logic, the person that stays behind first plays from behind the entire game? Sure, Tester lost a Nexus, but he held off TLO very well and then made great attacks into TLO's natural several times. There's no way you can say Tester was behind that entire game. He made up for the Nexus loss with several good attacks and great micro at the right times.
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On July 24 2010 10:03 brain_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 09:57 Malinor wrote:On July 24 2010 09:48 brain_ wrote:On July 24 2010 09:46 Malinor wrote:On July 24 2010 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 24 2010 03:54 Saracen wrote:On July 24 2010 03:36 Adsee wrote:On July 24 2010 03:23 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:16 lyhb wrote:
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a bit boring? get that retarded bias crap out of here...
When it comes to watching games, I think I can tell for myself what is boring or not. Don't tell me what I should find boring or not boring, and don't assume I'm biased based on what I enjoy watching. Watching and playing Starcraft aren't exactly the same thing, and while an early cheese/rush may be a genius play in game, it isnt exactly the most fun thing to view. what is boring and what is not? lmao, are you kidding me? you hear all this fanboys discrediting testers win and make it sound like tlo is the superior player when clearly he is not... im not saying all but most of you guys are just bias and are tlo fanboys... if he was the one cheesing, you would call it genius i bet tester imo did not cheese at all, he just reacted perfectly to tlo's builds and map positioning etc the excution and decision making of tester won him the game, not what you guys call 'cheese' I understand that Tester did react well to what TLO was doing, and that he was just countering it, but I just found the games to be underwhelming, especially compared to that second game. And yes, I do find some things to be more interesting than others, can I not say that I didn't really like the 1st and 3rd (mostly the 3rd) games? Its my opinion, and I think only I can decide what is interesting or dull for myself. Its not like I'm forcing my views on anybody, I'm just pissed I can't even express them without getting into an argument. Tester definitely has the advantage for this tournament and may just take it away, but I just don't really see him being light-years away from players like TLO. I personally thought games 1 and 3 were much more exciting than game 2. I understand that many observers look at game 2 and think "wow, crazy insane macro game with tons of brilliant harass, cool units, and absolutely dominating play by TLO." But it all boiled down to TLO securing an advantage and compounding it by playing safely and taking very few tactical risks. Then he capitalizes on his advantage by going battlecruisers and nukes and everyone shits bricks. In the end, game 2 is a game catered to casual spectators, just like TLO's game 2 versus HuK on Steppes of War where he does some cutesy harass, gains a near-insurmountable advantage, and drags it out with cool units. It really reminds me of FirebatHero, tbh... Compare this to games 1 and 3, or IntoTheRainbow's games against WhiteRa, or Tester vs IdrA game 1. You can clearly see the streamlined builds, the brilliant risky decision making, and the flawless execution. It's games like these that truly show that the Koreans are still one step ahead of the foreigners, and it's games like these that give me hope that the game still has a lot of potential to grow. In the end, it's all a matter of preference. You like to see wacky units and crazy dropship harass while sitting comfortably on 5 bases behind 4 PFs and 20 tanks. I like to see razor-edge timings and precision micro battles. Have to disagree. When TLO took down Testers nexus he was at an advantage (from exploiting testers build..) but once he lost almost his whole army trying to attack before colossus he was definitely behind. Then he was behind all game long and lost like 2 barracks and depots and techlabs with blink stalkers. He's at 3 base vs 2. Then TLO drops the gold while just sparing as many units as he had left to take down the blink stalkers. Most players would have tried to take down the stalkers ASAP and tester would have been ahead. Every time tester tried to gain an advantage it was shut down by counter-harass. Ah good, I thought I was the only one thinking that. Although I do believe they were pretty even after TLO lost alot of stuff at Testers choke and TLO was not behind.I thought the snipe of the gold expo was what finally turned the game into TLOs favor. Anyway, I normally never comment on SC2 games just yet, I don't feel like I nearly understand enough about the game by now. And reading through the last 20 pages of comments, I'm positive that ~90% of the posters don't know enough either. Dismissing a 32minute win against a korean pro because of a nexus snipe after 5minutes (and negelecting TLO's failed follow-up attack) seems as stupid to me as calling Testers win in game 3 cheap and lucky. Well, Tester went for an extremely greedy build (which was a bad call imo) and got TOTALLY punished. In 95% of games it would have ended almost immediately. The fact that the game stretched so long was more of a testament to Tester's skill, imo. Tester is extremely skilled, and the koreans seem to have a better sense of timings than the other players right now. But anyhow, I don't see how Tester played from behind the whole game. He pushed deep into TLOs natural a couple of times and was even up a base for some time during midgame. Imo the sniped Nexus never was the only reason why Tester lost that game. When his gold expo was sniped and he lost a lot of probes while he was micoring his stalkers in TLO's main, he even seemed to be out-multitasked. How could you lose a FE Nexus and NOT be playing from behind? Those things you are naming were examples of Tester's excellent play after the loss of his Nexus (which permanently set him back, and in an even-skill/even-play game would have doomed him). I agree that he was out-multitasked towards the end of the game. Terran drops are so easy, just select the dropship, D, click, then T your units once you're out. Obviously he had to pay pretty close attention to other drops, such as his game-ending Pylon snipe drop (which was brutal), but in general Terran drops are obscenely cost and micro efficient. Protoss just doesn't have as many options. We saw what Toss has to do- basically take its entire army and blink or recall. That leaves you vulnerable to backstabs (just how Tester lost his gold). Terran, on the other hand, is not going to miss a single dropship and 8 marines, yet can use them to end the game with minimal micro in a moment of chaos.
I already wrote it in the first post, TLOs follow-up attack was a disaster, after that his huge lead may not have gone completely, but mostly. And again I repeat myself, Tester pushed very deep into TLOs natural, killing a lot of his stuff while expanding to the gold being up one base (with his 2nd being slower than TLOs). At this point he is not behind anymore, not at all.
So saying that he played behind all game is just wrong to me. It would be more accurate to say that the tide turned a couple of times.
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+ Show Spoiler +Result tables after Day 5: + Show Spoiler +Poll: Day 6, Group A: qxc (T) vs IntoTheRainbow (T)0-2, WhiteRa advances (34) 65% 1-2, WhiteRa advances (8) 15% 2-1, qxc advances (7) 13% 2-0, qxc advances (3) 6% 52 total votes Your vote: Day 6, Group A: qxc (T) vs IntoTheRainbow (T) (Vote): 2-0, qxc advances
(Vote): 2-1, qxc advances
(Vote): 1-2, WhiteRa advances
(Vote): 0-2, WhiteRa advances
Note: The ordering rules in case of ties are unconfirmed, here's what I presume (as it's used in most sports leagues): + Show Spoiler +first priority the match difference / number of matches won/, then the game difference, then the number of games won, then the direct matches between two players:
1. Qxc loses 0:2 - WhiteRa advances, because of better game difference compared to him and Dimaga.
2. Qxc loses 1:2 - WhiteRa advances, because they are perfectly tied, but WhiteRa already beat Qxc in the direct match between them
3. Qxc wins - Qxc advances. Poll: Day 6, Group B: IdrA (Z) vs TheLittleOne (R)2-1, IdrA advances (24) 36% 1-2, TLO advances (24) 36% 0-2, TLO advances (12) 18% 2-0, IdrA advances (7) 10% 67 total votes Your vote: Day 6, Group B: IdrA (Z) vs TheLittleOne (R) (Vote): 2-0, IdrA advances
(Vote): 2-1, IdrA advances
(Vote): 1-2, TLO advances
(Vote): 0-2, TLO advances
Poll: TheLittleOne's race vs IdrA (Z), Bo3, Day 6Terran (46) 96% Zerg (1) 2% Random (1) 2% Protoss (0) 0% 48 total votes Your vote: TheLittleOne's race vs IdrA (Z), Bo3, Day 6 (Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Random
Note: TLO used Terran against the two Protoss players he faced so far, but he hasn't played against Zerg or Terran yet, and he likely has some preference against specific races. In the past, he has demonstrated the highest class of ability playing as Zerg and as Protoss too, while his main race on Phase 2's ladder has been Random (ref: http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/euranks.php ), same as Phase 1.
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Blizzard posted game 2 of TLO and Tester on their facebook and linked day[9] tonight. Hope we break 9,000 users tonight !
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On July 24 2010 10:16 kino.heezy wrote:
Blizzard posted game 2 of TLO and Tester on their facebook and linked day[9] tonight. Hope we break 9,000 users tonight !
Oh hell yes, and the new generations could bask in the flames of IdrA raging
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im going to be rooting for Idra personally. He works so hard. So i hope hes able to stay in a good mental state and pull out.
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On July 24 2010 09:48 brain_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 09:46 Malinor wrote:On July 24 2010 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 24 2010 03:54 Saracen wrote:On July 24 2010 03:36 Adsee wrote:On July 24 2010 03:23 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:16 lyhb wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 Adsee wrote:On July 23 2010 13:04 virgozero wrote:
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what? that tester doesnt play the game HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE PLAYED?
Why don't you join up with Idra, i think you guys will get along very well.
Overreaction much? I just found the 1st and 3rd games to be a bit boring; no need to flip out on me for having my own personal opinion. I have nothing wrong with the way Tester plays, just the games themselves weren't very interesting. Yeah, though, tomorrow's game of TLO vs Idra is definitely going to be interesting. Both seem to be on equal footing and have good chances, but I'm hoping for a TLO win. a bit boring? get that retarded bias crap out of here... When it comes to watching games, I think I can tell for myself what is boring or not. Don't tell me what I should find boring or not boring, and don't assume I'm biased based on what I enjoy watching. Watching and playing Starcraft aren't exactly the same thing, and while an early cheese/rush may be a genius play in game, it isnt exactly the most fun thing to view. what is boring and what is not? lmao, are you kidding me? you hear all this fanboys discrediting testers win and make it sound like tlo is the superior player when clearly he is not... im not saying all but most of you guys are just bias and are tlo fanboys... if he was the one cheesing, you would call it genius i bet tester imo did not cheese at all, he just reacted perfectly to tlo's builds and map positioning etc the excution and decision making of tester won him the game, not what you guys call 'cheese' I understand that Tester did react well to what TLO was doing, and that he was just countering it, but I just found the games to be underwhelming, especially compared to that second game. And yes, I do find some things to be more interesting than others, can I not say that I didn't really like the 1st and 3rd (mostly the 3rd) games? Its my opinion, and I think only I can decide what is interesting or dull for myself. Its not like I'm forcing my views on anybody, I'm just pissed I can't even express them without getting into an argument. Tester definitely has the advantage for this tournament and may just take it away, but I just don't really see him being light-years away from players like TLO. I personally thought games 1 and 3 were much more exciting than game 2. I understand that many observers look at game 2 and think "wow, crazy insane macro game with tons of brilliant harass, cool units, and absolutely dominating play by TLO." But it all boiled down to TLO securing an advantage and compounding it by playing safely and taking very few tactical risks. Then he capitalizes on his advantage by going battlecruisers and nukes and everyone shits bricks. In the end, game 2 is a game catered to casual spectators, just like TLO's game 2 versus HuK on Steppes of War where he does some cutesy harass, gains a near-insurmountable advantage, and drags it out with cool units. It really reminds me of FirebatHero, tbh... Compare this to games 1 and 3, or IntoTheRainbow's games against WhiteRa, or Tester vs IdrA game 1. You can clearly see the streamlined builds, the brilliant risky decision making, and the flawless execution. It's games like these that truly show that the Koreans are still one step ahead of the foreigners, and it's games like these that give me hope that the game still has a lot of potential to grow. In the end, it's all a matter of preference. You like to see wacky units and crazy dropship harass while sitting comfortably on 5 bases behind 4 PFs and 20 tanks. I like to see razor-edge timings and precision micro battles. Have to disagree. When TLO took down Testers nexus he was at an advantage (from exploiting testers build..) but once he lost almost his whole army trying to attack before colossus he was definitely behind. Then he was behind all game long and lost like 2 barracks and depots and techlabs with blink stalkers. He's at 3 base vs 2. Then TLO drops the gold while just sparing as many units as he had left to take down the blink stalkers. Most players would have tried to take down the stalkers ASAP and tester would have been ahead. Every time tester tried to gain an advantage it was shut down by counter-harass. Ah good, I thought I was the only one thinking that. Although I do believe they were pretty even after TLO lost alot of stuff at Testers choke and TLO was not behind.I thought the snipe of the gold expo was what finally turned the game into TLOs favor. Anyway, I normally never comment on SC2 games just yet, I don't feel like I nearly understand enough about the game by now. And reading through the last 20 pages of comments, I'm positive that ~90% of the posters don't know enough either. Dismissing a 32minute win against a korean pro because of a nexus snipe after 5minutes (and negelecting TLO's failed follow-up attack) seems as stupid to me as calling Testers win in game 3 cheap and lucky. Well, Tester went for an extremely greedy build (which was a bad call imo) and got TOTALLY punished. In 95% of games it would have ended almost immediately. The fact that the game stretched so long was more of a testament to Tester's skill, imo.
his build was a reaction to TLO's imo.
he knew he could get away with it.
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On July 24 2010 10:16 kino.heezy wrote:
Blizzard posted game 2 of TLO and Tester on their facebook and linked day[9] tonight. Hope we break 9,000 users tonight !
um nice way to advertise - play terran stay in defence forever and into 1 base mules and win vs 4 base protoss , yea great example .
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I think IdrA, for the amount of time he has played, doesn't have shit on TLO and in a show match would get butt raped over and over and over and over and over.
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On July 24 2010 10:31 st3roids wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 10:16 kino.heezy wrote:
Blizzard posted game 2 of TLO and Tester on their facebook and linked day[9] tonight. Hope we break 9,000 users tonight ! um nice way to advertise - play terran stay in defence forever and into 1 base mules and win vs 4 base protoss , yea great example .
? there was plenty of small drops he did..the game was back and forth ALOT.
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On July 24 2010 10:25 FindingPride wrote:
im going to be rooting for Idra personally. He works so hard. So i hope hes able to stay in a good mental state and pull out.
He's becoming something of a beloved anti-hero to me as well. Maybe its just because it seems like Zerg is the underdog so often lately.
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On July 24 2010 10:33 FindingPride wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 10:31 st3roids wrote:On July 24 2010 10:16 kino.heezy wrote:
Blizzard posted game 2 of TLO and Tester on their facebook and linked day[9] tonight. Hope we break 9,000 users tonight ! um nice way to advertise - play terran stay in defence forever and into 1 base mules and win vs 4 base protoss , yea great example . ? there was plenty of small drops he did..the game was back and forth ALOT.
ok sorry , play terran stay in defence forever and into 1 base mules and win vs 4 base protoss and do a drop with 4 marines and 2 steaming marauders that will take a nexus down in 5 seconds plus all the probes as well and win .
Happy now ?
o and tech into 1 base battlecruisers cause mules 1 base mules equals 4 base protoss terms of outcome , aint this wonderfull
Btw if no suprises is gonna be 1 toss in finals ,2-3 terrans and maybe a zerg player , woot for balance
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On July 24 2010 10:36 st3roids wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 10:33 FindingPride wrote:On July 24 2010 10:31 st3roids wrote:On July 24 2010 10:16 kino.heezy wrote:
Blizzard posted game 2 of TLO and Tester on their facebook and linked day[9] tonight. Hope we break 9,000 users tonight ! um nice way to advertise - play terran stay in defence forever and into 1 base mules and win vs 4 base protoss , yea great example . ? there was plenty of small drops he did..the game was back and forth ALOT. ok sorry , play terran stay in defence forever and into 1 base mules and win vs 4 base protoss and do a drop with 4 marines and 2 steaming marauders that will take a nexus down in 5 seconds plus all the probes as well and win . Happy now ? Btw if no suprises is gonna be 1 toss in finals ,2-3 terrans and maybe a zerg player , woot for balance
You should stop while you're behind
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Its you should stop while your ahead but nvm , its all good guess half of us watch another game or something .
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