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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On July 24 2010 10:31 st3roids wrote: um nice way to advertise - play terran stay in defence forever and into 1 base mules and win vs 4 base protoss , yea great example . Lol, are you serious? | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
Its like some people will never be satisfied, and they should really just not watch in the first place since it won't be up to their standards anyways. So, thanks Day[9] for putting together this awesome tournament and doing your best to stream to everyone possible. It's unfortunate that so many people have to say the players are bad and act so unappreciative in general. | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On July 24 2010 10:06 Stratos_speAr wrote: Protoss drop abuse is almost non-existent. Just because they don't bother doesn't mean they don't have options. And by your logic, the person that stays behind first plays from behind the entire game? Sure, Tester lost a Nexus, but he held off TLO very well and then made great attacks into TLO's natural several times. There's no way you can say Tester was behind that entire game. He made up for the Nexus loss with several good attacks and great micro at the right times. There is a reason Protoss players don't drop, and that is because Protoss drops suck. Terran drops have: -Low cost- just the cost of the medivac and 400 minerals for Marines. -Stimpack gives you insane DPS and the medivac can heal off the damage it deals. -Starport is almost always built TvP, usually fairly early unless you're Ghost rushing. Protoss drops have: -Comparatively high cost. 4 Zealots cost the same as 8 Marines, but they aren't ranged and can't stim. Likewise, 4 Stalkers cost way more than 8 Marines (600min 200gas instead of 400min) and their DPS isnt as good as stimmed Marines (or god forbid, marauders). -Robo bay is often busy making Colossi and Immortals, and you have zero use for a Warp Prism aside from drops (not true for Medivacs) -As mentioned above, much lower mobility and DPS than a Terran drop. On top of that, Terran players are far more likely to have Vikings ready to kill your transport than Protoss are to have Phoenixes. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 24 2010 10:44 brain_ wrote: There is a reason Protoss players don't drop, and that is because Protoss drops suck. Terran drops have: -Low cost- just the cost of the medivac and 400 minerals for Marines. -Stimpack gives you insane DPS and the medivac can heal off the damage it deals. -Starport is almost always built TvP, usually fairly early unless you're Ghost rushing. Protoss drops have: -Comparatively high cost. 4 Zealots cost the same as 8 Marines, but they aren't ranged and can't stim. Likewise, 4 Stalkers cost way more than 8 Marines (600min 200gas instead of 400min) and their DPS isnt as good as stimmed Marines (or god forbid, marauders). -Robo bay is often busy making Colossi and Immortals, and you have zero use for a Warp Prism aside from drops (not true for Medivacs) -As mentioned above, much lower mobility and DPS than a Terran drop. On top of that, Terran players are far more likely to have Vikings ready to kill your transport than Protoss are to have Phoenixes. *cough*storm drop *cough* That can turn the tide in a game if used correctly | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
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DanielD
United States192 Posts
On July 24 2010 10:44 brain_ wrote: There is a reason Protoss players don't drop, and that is because Protoss drops suck. Terran drops have: -Low cost- just the cost of the medivac and 400 minerals for Marines. -Stimpack gives you insane DPS and the medivac can heal off the damage it deals. -Starport is almost always built TvP, usually fairly early unless you're Ghost rushing. Protoss drops have: -Comparatively high cost. 4 Zealots cost the same as 8 Marines, but they aren't ranged and can't stim. Likewise, 4 Stalkers cost way more than 8 Marines (600min 200gas instead of 400min) and their DPS isnt as good as stimmed Marines (or god forbid, marauders). -Robo bay is often busy making Colossi and Immortals, and you have zero use for a Warp Prism aside from drops (not true for Medivacs) -As mentioned above, much lower mobility and DPS than a Terran drop. On top of that, Terran players are far more likely to have Vikings ready to kill your transport than Protoss are to have Phoenixes. Do you play the no templar tech style of Protoss? | ||
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petev1975
United States7 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 24 2010 10:44 brain_ wrote: There is a reason Protoss players don't drop, and that is because Protoss drops suck. Terran drops have: -Low cost- just the cost of the medivac and 400 minerals for Marines. -Stimpack gives you insane DPS and the medivac can heal off the damage it deals. -Starport is almost always built TvP, usually fairly early unless you're Ghost rushing. Protoss drops have: -Comparatively high cost. 4 Zealots cost the same as 8 Marines, but they aren't ranged and can't stim. Likewise, 4 Stalkers cost way more than 8 Marines (600min 200gas instead of 400min) and their DPS isnt as good as stimmed Marines (or god forbid, marauders). -Robo bay is often busy making Colossi and Immortals, and you have zero use for a Warp Prism aside from drops (not true for Medivacs) -As mentioned above, much lower mobility and DPS than a Terran drop. On top of that, Terran players are far more likely to have Vikings ready to kill your transport than Protoss are to have Phoenixes. A Warp Prism is 200 minerals compared to a 100/100 Medivac. In terms of harassing units, we barely see any DT, Immortal, HT Colossi drop/abuse, and all of these are options. Does it cost more? Sure, but in BW Reaver drops cost a lot more than Marine drops. People still used those, didn't they? Oh, and Protoss have Blink Stalkers (awesome at catching flying units) and Photon Cannons to defend against drops. Does anyone else feel that Battle Cruisers for the Terran Players are Over Powered? With its range and armor, if the Terran Player has 3 or 4 BC, they basically have Air Dominance. And TLO had like 7 BCs, WOW! BC's are destroyed by Void Rays, Stalkers, Blink, Feedback, etc.... BC's are good as support units. Tester lost to them because he fell behind and by the time all the BC's came out TLO was able to have a really good army composition + Tester reacted too late to the BC's. They're actually pretty terrible with just a BC army. | ||
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metaldragon
United States251 Posts
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Tempora
United States78 Posts
On July 24 2010 10:48 petev1975 wrote: Does anyone else feel that Battle Cruisers for the Terran Players are Over Powered? With its range and armor, if the Terran Player has 3 or 4 BC, they basically have Air Dominance. And TLO had like 7 BCs, WOW! Except their so expensive... in order to be able to utilize battlecruisers, you have to basically turtle like TLO (yes it was a turtle, no i dont want anyone telling me it wasnt, and i agree its an ok strategy to use, blah blah blah) and in order to spend the money on them and not on other units that would be needed to hold off a properly aggressive opponent, you would have to be an exceptional player to pull it off. TLO can do it, because, as stated, he is an exceptional player. but whenever most people tried to use em on me in platinum and low diamond, which was rare, they werent too difficult to deal with. yes they might possibly be over powered if your opponent has 7 or 8 of them. but you also can make the argument its your fault if you allow him to do so and build up enough. they dont need to be balanced. their expensive enough to make it balanced already. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
Bcs cost almost as much as carriers , so since protoss cant do that , does this means carriers are useless with ur logic ? | ||
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Goobus
Hong Kong587 Posts
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Narayan
Canada80 Posts
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Shron
United States162 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
Ibet we gonna see some1 going into rage mode ;p ( or went into rage mode since games have been played already ) | ||
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GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
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GTR
51712 Posts
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allowicious
United States972 Posts
On July 24 2010 10:16 kino.heezy wrote: Blizzard posted game 2 of TLO and Tester on their facebook and linked day[9] tonight. Hope we break 9,000 users tonight ! Do you have a link for this? I tried looking on their facebook page and couldn't find anything... EDIT: nevermind, someone screen shotted it up there ^_^ | ||
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
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Unfurl
United States272 Posts
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