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On April 17 2010 17:00 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 16:59 hellitsaboutme wrote:
IdrA is so lame. He was top non-korean player. Why he masses couple of units every game? Never seen him playing a nice game -_-
I think he is not skilled. Just 24/7 gamer like most of korean middle level pro gamers. Wtf are you talking about. Get a clue before posting nonsense like this. He just beat one of the top asian players, clearly he knows what he's doing.
If you haven't watched IdrA's other games he always masses roach or roach/hydra. In contrast Dimaga or Haypro play diversily and still win games.
My point is that IdrA is not creative at all, he is not able to come up with something new and plays one strat every game. That means he plays one strat 24/7 and tries to make it perfect since he cannot be flexible and respond accordingly to unordinary strats.
By lame I don't mean noob. I just mean his games are lame.
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The whole is empty except for the commentators, did the spectators leave as the WC3 matches eneded?
edit: oh i guess there's still some people in the distance, however was the crowd really this small for such a big stadium before this?
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On April 17 2010 17:38 hellitsaboutme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:00 Klive5ive wrote:On April 17 2010 16:59 hellitsaboutme wrote:
IdrA is so lame. He was top non-korean player. Why he masses couple of units every game? Never seen him playing a nice game -_-
I think he is not skilled. Just 24/7 gamer like most of korean middle level pro gamers. Wtf are you talking about. Get a clue before posting nonsense like this. He just beat one of the top asian players, clearly he knows what he's doing. If you haven't watched IdrA's other games he always masses roach or roach/hydra. In contrast Dimaga or Haypro play diversily and still win games. My point is that IdrA is not creative at all, he is not able to come up with something new and plays one strat every game. That means he plays one strat 24/7 and tries to make it perfect since he cannot be flexible and respond accordingly to unordinary strats. By lame I don't mean noob. I just mean his games are lame.
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On April 17 2010 17:38 HyTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:27 kickinhead wrote:
Sry, but the ppl writing that the KOR and CHN Players are bad (not only the ones playing, but all together) obviously have no clue... I don't know that much about Susirua and EVE (they were WC3-Pros and from what I know about KOR-WC3-players, they all played SC1, probably much more than most of the ppl in here thinking they're the shit in SC1 ever did), but Check is incredibly good, trains for 15+ hours a day and has easily over 2000 Games in the beta so far.
The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics.
Im sure asian players like Beckham, TT1, F91, IntotheRainbow, Loner, Freedom, Ace, Super etc. are and will be the players to beat in SC2, at least for the time being.
Btw. Idra is just a solid player and if you play a straight-up macro-game against him, you're in for trouble, don't try and deny that Idra is incredibly good...
All the haters and whiners in here should just stop talking BS and hate on players that are infinitely better then they are themselves. "The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics."wow thats idiotic. the best when they havent played against the others yet. "they are imho the best because they have most solid builds".laughable. was quatscht du da eigentlich für einen Unsinn?Ernsthaft.
That's my opinion, deal with it.
I've watched tons of Replays of Chinese palyers and other than the EU and US-players, their Terrans don't just Banshee-rush, Hellion-Drop or win with some other cheese, their Protoss don't only win with timing-attacks and their Zergs at least know how to macro.
Besides, they are all extremely good SC1-Pro's (TT1, Super, Beckham, PJ, Ace, F91) with a ton of experience and a very strong competetive scene (as we see in this Stars War and the one before, they are the first having those big on-stage tournaments for SC2).
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On April 17 2010 17:40 Puosu wrote:
ROFL
The whole is empty except for the commentators, did the spectators leave as the WC3 matches eneded?
edit: oh i guess there's still some people in the distance, however was the crowd really this small for such a big stadium before this?
Stars War Reborn is initially a Warcraft 3 event. The Starcraft 2 was simply added as a side thing.
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On April 17 2010 17:38 hellitsaboutme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:00 Klive5ive wrote:On April 17 2010 16:59 hellitsaboutme wrote:
IdrA is so lame. He was top non-korean player. Why he masses couple of units every game? Never seen him playing a nice game -_-
I think he is not skilled. Just 24/7 gamer like most of korean middle level pro gamers. Wtf are you talking about. Get a clue before posting nonsense like this. He just beat one of the top asian players, clearly he knows what he's doing. If you haven't watched IdrA's other games he always masses roach or roach/hydra. In contrast Dimaga or Haypro play diversily and still win games. My point is that IdrA is not creative at all, he is not able to come up with something new and plays one strat every game. That means he plays one strat 24/7 and tries to make it perfect since he cannot be flexible and respond accordingly to unordinary strats. By lame I don't mean noob. I just mean his games are lame.
It's similar to how people consider Flash to be lame or boring because his games are often drawn out and he mostly overmacroes his opponents instead of doing flashy things like Boxer etc.
It requires far more brain work from the spectator than the micro style, you can't just stare at the screen and count how many kills that one unit gets, rather you need to pay attention on his bo and every decision he makes and why he slowly but surely gets ahead when seemingly nothing of importance is happening.
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On April 17 2010 17:42 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:38 HyTemplar wrote:On April 17 2010 17:27 kickinhead wrote:
Sry, but the ppl writing that the KOR and CHN Players are bad (not only the ones playing, but all together) obviously have no clue... I don't know that much about Susirua and EVE (they were WC3-Pros and from what I know about KOR-WC3-players, they all played SC1, probably much more than most of the ppl in here thinking they're the shit in SC1 ever did), but Check is incredibly good, trains for 15+ hours a day and has easily over 2000 Games in the beta so far.
The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics.
Im sure asian players like Beckham, TT1, F91, IntotheRainbow, Loner, Freedom, Ace, Super etc. are and will be the players to beat in SC2, at least for the time being.
Btw. Idra is just a solid player and if you play a straight-up macro-game against him, you're in for trouble, don't try and deny that Idra is incredibly good...
All the haters and whiners in here should just stop talking BS and hate on players that are infinitely better then they are themselves. "The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics."wow thats idiotic. the best when they havent played against the others yet. "they are imho the best because they have most solid builds".laughable. was quatscht du da eigentlich für einen Unsinn?Ernsthaft. That's my opinion, deal with it.
Sure! its even pretty easy
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On April 17 2010 17:42 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:38 HyTemplar wrote:On April 17 2010 17:27 kickinhead wrote:
Sry, but the ppl writing that the KOR and CHN Players are bad (not only the ones playing, but all together) obviously have no clue... I don't know that much about Susirua and EVE (they were WC3-Pros and from what I know about KOR-WC3-players, they all played SC1, probably much more than most of the ppl in here thinking they're the shit in SC1 ever did), but Check is incredibly good, trains for 15+ hours a day and has easily over 2000 Games in the beta so far.
The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics.
Im sure asian players like Beckham, TT1, F91, IntotheRainbow, Loner, Freedom, Ace, Super etc. are and will be the players to beat in SC2, at least for the time being.
Btw. Idra is just a solid player and if you play a straight-up macro-game against him, you're in for trouble, don't try and deny that Idra is incredibly good...
All the haters and whiners in here should just stop talking BS and hate on players that are infinitely better then they are themselves. "The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics."wow thats idiotic. the best when they havent played against the others yet. "they are imho the best because they have most solid builds".laughable. was quatscht du da eigentlich für einen Unsinn?Ernsthaft. That's my opinion, deal with it. I've watched tons of Replays of Chinese palyers and other than the EU and US-players, their Terrans don't just Banshee-rush, Hellion-Drop or win with some other cheese, their Protoss don't only win with timing-attacks and their Zergs at least know how to macro. Besides, they are all extremely good SC1-Pro's (TT1, Super, Beckham, PJ, Ace, F91) with a ton of experience and a very strong competetive scene (as we see in this Stars War and the one before, they are the first having those big on-stage tournaments for SC2).
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TT1 is not chinese
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IdrA vs. Painkiller coming up (that's Check right?) now. Another ZvZ.
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On April 17 2010 17:38 hellitsaboutme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:00 Klive5ive wrote:On April 17 2010 16:59 hellitsaboutme wrote:
IdrA is so lame. He was top non-korean player. Why he masses couple of units every game? Never seen him playing a nice game -_-
I think he is not skilled. Just 24/7 gamer like most of korean middle level pro gamers. Wtf are you talking about. Get a clue before posting nonsense like this. He just beat one of the top asian players, clearly he knows what he's doing. If you haven't watched IdrA's other games he always masses roach or roach/hydra. In contrast Dimaga or Haypro play diversily and still win games. My point is that IdrA is not creative at all, he is not able to come up with something new and plays one strat every game. That means he plays one strat 24/7 and tries to make it perfect since he cannot be flexible and respond accordingly to unordinary strats. By lame I don't mean noob. I just mean his games are lame.
Well for a start you changed your tune; "I think he is not skilled" is not the same as lame.
It's not just Idra who uses roach/hydra in many match-ups. It's hardly the fault of players if a boring combination is strong in all match-ups that's the fault of Blizzard.
Also, Dimaga and Haypro are a different style of player to Idra. Long term they aren't as good.
Dimaga blinds counters and uses the meta-game a lot, this doesn't lead to strong overall play (read Nonys recent post). Yes he might get 5 surprise wins in a row with the same baneling/ling bust but then someone finds a counter and he just loses for ages.
Did you watch Dimaga against Jinro recently? He lost a game where he was MILES ahead by a-attacking into a planetary fortress.
Trying stuff out is fun and all but it's not the way to consistently win Starcraft games.
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On April 17 2010 17:43 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:38 hellitsaboutme wrote:On April 17 2010 17:00 Klive5ive wrote:On April 17 2010 16:59 hellitsaboutme wrote:
IdrA is so lame. He was top non-korean player. Why he masses couple of units every game? Never seen him playing a nice game -_-
I think he is not skilled. Just 24/7 gamer like most of korean middle level pro gamers. Wtf are you talking about. Get a clue before posting nonsense like this. He just beat one of the top asian players, clearly he knows what he's doing. If you haven't watched IdrA's other games he always masses roach or roach/hydra. In contrast Dimaga or Haypro play diversily and still win games. My point is that IdrA is not creative at all, he is not able to come up with something new and plays one strat every game. That means he plays one strat 24/7 and tries to make it perfect since he cannot be flexible and respond accordingly to unordinary strats. By lame I don't mean noob. I just mean his games are lame. It's similar to how people consider Flash to be lame or boring because his games are often drawn out and he mostly overmacroes his opponents instead of doing flashy things like Boxer etc. It requires far more brain work from the spectator than the micro style, you can't just stare at the screen and count how many kills that one unit gets, rather you need to pay attention on his bo and every decision he makes and why he slowly but surely gets ahead when seemingly nothing of importance is happening.
LoL, so because Idra doesn't win by cheesing you consider him bad? Idra just has solid builds that can win against anything you throw at him and don't depend on your opponent not scouting.
He wins by having good scouting, solid builds and great mechanics, not just by abusing the fact your opponent plays bad. It's not about making the game as fun as possible for you to enjoy with all sorts of cheese and funny Units, it's about playing solid and good, at least if you want to have a chance in the long run.
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KOR revived check. he now has to beat IdrA, tasteless and IdrA again (pretty sure US would revive IdrA). if Check loses 1 more time US won the game.
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On April 17 2010 17:45 QuothTheRaven wrote:
IdrA vs. Painkiller coming up (that's Check right?) now. Another ZvZ.
Yes, it's check. Same player as last game.
I think each team is allowed to send one player twice for these all-kill matches?
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On April 17 2010 17:44 3clipse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:42 kickinhead wrote:On April 17 2010 17:38 HyTemplar wrote:On April 17 2010 17:27 kickinhead wrote:
Sry, but the ppl writing that the KOR and CHN Players are bad (not only the ones playing, but all together) obviously have no clue... I don't know that much about Susirua and EVE (they were WC3-Pros and from what I know about KOR-WC3-players, they all played SC1, probably much more than most of the ppl in here thinking they're the shit in SC1 ever did), but Check is incredibly good, trains for 15+ hours a day and has easily over 2000 Games in the beta so far.
The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics.
Im sure asian players like Beckham, TT1, F91, IntotheRainbow, Loner, Freedom, Ace, Super etc. are and will be the players to beat in SC2, at least for the time being.
Btw. Idra is just a solid player and if you play a straight-up macro-game against him, you're in for trouble, don't try and deny that Idra is incredibly good...
All the haters and whiners in here should just stop talking BS and hate on players that are infinitely better then they are themselves. "The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics."wow thats idiotic. the best when they havent played against the others yet. "they are imho the best because they have most solid builds".laughable. was quatscht du da eigentlich für einen Unsinn?Ernsthaft. That's my opinion, deal with it. I've watched tons of Replays of Chinese palyers and other than the EU and US-players, their Terrans don't just Banshee-rush, Hellion-Drop or win with some other cheese, their Protoss don't only win with timing-attacks and their Zergs at least know how to macro. Besides, they are all extremely good SC1-Pro's (TT1, Super, Beckham, PJ, Ace, F91) with a ton of experience and a very strong competetive scene (as we see in this Stars War and the one before, they are the first having those big on-stage tournaments for SC2). .... TT1 is not chinese
I guess I meant ChinaTTT - my bad.
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Why its eu vs kor on the bottom right corner not us vs kor...
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On April 17 2010 17:48 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:44 3clipse wrote:On April 17 2010 17:42 kickinhead wrote:On April 17 2010 17:38 HyTemplar wrote:On April 17 2010 17:27 kickinhead wrote:
Sry, but the ppl writing that the KOR and CHN Players are bad (not only the ones playing, but all together) obviously have no clue... I don't know that much about Susirua and EVE (they were WC3-Pros and from what I know about KOR-WC3-players, they all played SC1, probably much more than most of the ppl in here thinking they're the shit in SC1 ever did), but Check is incredibly good, trains for 15+ hours a day and has easily over 2000 Games in the beta so far.
The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics.
Im sure asian players like Beckham, TT1, F91, IntotheRainbow, Loner, Freedom, Ace, Super etc. are and will be the players to beat in SC2, at least for the time being.
Btw. Idra is just a solid player and if you play a straight-up macro-game against him, you're in for trouble, don't try and deny that Idra is incredibly good...
All the haters and whiners in here should just stop talking BS and hate on players that are infinitely better then they are themselves. "The Chinese Player are IMHO the best in the world right now, maybe it doesn't show in those showmatches, but they have the most solid builds and incredibly good mechanics."wow thats idiotic. the best when they havent played against the others yet. "they are imho the best because they have most solid builds".laughable. was quatscht du da eigentlich für einen Unsinn?Ernsthaft. That's my opinion, deal with it. I've watched tons of Replays of Chinese palyers and other than the EU and US-players, their Terrans don't just Banshee-rush, Hellion-Drop or win with some other cheese, their Protoss don't only win with timing-attacks and their Zergs at least know how to macro. Besides, they are all extremely good SC1-Pro's (TT1, Super, Beckham, PJ, Ace, F91) with a ton of experience and a very strong competetive scene (as we see in this Stars War and the one before, they are the first having those big on-stage tournaments for SC2). .... TT1 is not chinese I guess I meant ChinaTTT - my bad.
buddy its ok its just your opinion! dont forget that
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On April 17 2010 17:43 Puosu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2010 17:38 hellitsaboutme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:00 Klive5ive wrote:On April 17 2010 16:59 hellitsaboutme wrote:
IdrA is so lame. He was top non-korean player. Why he masses couple of units every game? Never seen him playing a nice game -_-
I think he is not skilled. Just 24/7 gamer like most of korean middle level pro gamers. Wtf are you talking about. Get a clue before posting nonsense like this. He just beat one of the top asian players, clearly he knows what he's doing. If you haven't watched IdrA's other games he always masses roach or roach/hydra. In contrast Dimaga or Haypro play diversily and still win games. My point is that IdrA is not creative at all, he is not able to come up with something new and plays one strat every game. That means he plays one strat 24/7 and tries to make it perfect since he cannot be flexible and respond accordingly to unordinary strats. By lame I don't mean noob. I just mean his games are lame. It's similar to how people consider Flash to be lame or boring because his games are often drawn out and he mostly overmacroes his opponents instead of doing flashy things like Boxer etc. It requires far more brain work from the spectator than the micro style, you can't just stare at the screen and count how many kills that one unit gets, rather you need to pay attention on his bo and every decision he makes and why he slowly but surely gets ahead when seemingly nothing of importance is happening.
This could be what Blizzard was attempting to address in SC2 from a spectator perspective, the increased unit abilities and micro intensive balances (zealots>stalkers unless stalkers kite in which stalkers<zealots) while also preserving much of the macro depth. MBS and automine free up apm for this micro which has initial spectator value, and the more people watch the more awareness of the subtle macro decisions and differences develop.
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Lol, why does it say KR vs EU? That's disrespect man.
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On April 17 2010 17:18 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:12 HyTemplar wrote:On April 17 2010 17:08 Azarkon wrote:On April 17 2010 17:02 HyTemplar wrote:On April 17 2010 17:00 Klive5ive wrote:On April 17 2010 16:59 hellitsaboutme wrote:
IdrA is so lame. He was top non-korean player. Why he masses couple of units every game? Never seen him playing a nice game -_-
I think he is not skilled. Just 24/7 gamer like most of korean middle level pro gamers. Wtf are you talking about. Get a clue before posting nonsense like this. He just beat one of the top asian players, clearly he knows what he's doing. beta-random-players. noone will have a chance against korean progamers in the future. not even the europeans Uh, you are getting a bit annoying with your "Euros > US" and "Check is not a Korean pro" and "in the future Korean progamers will surely own us all" antics. Check is a Korean pro-gamer. He is quite famous in the WC 3 scene, and considering that some of the best SC 2 players in the US/EU are WC 3 players (ie Lucifron), there's no reason for dissing him. Idra is very good. He might have lost to Euros in the past but recently he has really upped his game. Don't underestimate him and, by extension, Check. well im cheering for the US because i want to see these asians losing but anyway im often mentioning "my" euros-US. because such a matchup would be more interessting or not? its a joke how these presented asians play. wouldnt you agree? I don't think it's a joke at all. Every single aspect of the Idra vs. Check game was well-played. Check lost because his build was worse, but he optimized what he did to such an extent that it could've went bad for Idra had Idra made one small mistake. Also, in the CHN vs. KOR show matches yesterday, lag was a huge factor and that's part of the reason micro wasn't nearly as good from both parties. You saw some of this today in the Tasteless vs Susiria game, as well, where Susiria couldn't micro his banshees because of the lag and so couldn't hold Tasteless's immortal push.IMO, you need to watch more Asian games before you make wild sweeping generalizations. Try the China Hero tourney thread, which was played under much better conditions. Check was in that, also, plus another top Korean Zerg, Freedom.
This is why we need LAN Blizzard!!!!!
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