EPTHDH Invitational #1 - Page 50
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
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HDstarcraft
United States577 Posts
An exception is given to Tasteless, because he told us prior that he has certain matchups where he prefers a certain race. After ro16, we will clarify what those matchups exactly are. Also, because of the newest patch, there's alot of disorder going around right now. People on US can't login, and apparently Europe hasn't been patched yet. Stay tuned, because we may have to extend ro16 deadlines if the downtime continues. If your scheduled to play tomorrow on Europe and it still hasn't patched, play your games. We cannot alter the tournament schedule so that it all conforms to one patch. That would be impossible during a beta. Thanks | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
I was beginning to wonder since servers have been wonky and broken for like 48+ hours now and aren't asia servers still online? I'd really like to be able to play right now  | ||
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HDstarcraft
United States577 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:27 -orb- wrote: Ah okay. I was beginning to wonder since servers have been wonky and broken for like 48+ hours now and aren't asia servers still online? I'd really like to be able to play right now Me too  | ||
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Acies
Australia196 Posts
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Taco-Mental
United States84 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On April 23 2010 09:47 HDstarcraft wrote: I just wanted to clarify that player's who picked random MUST pick random as their race. An exception is given to Tasteless, because he told us prior that he has certain matchups where he prefers a certain race. After ro16, we will clarify what those matchups exactly are. Thanks wait what? racepicking is bullshit and defeats the purpose of random, why is tasteless the only player who gets to do that? | ||
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italiangymnast
United States246 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 23 2010 14:34 rauk wrote: wait what? racepicking is bullshit and defeats the purpose of random, why is tasteless the only player who gets to do that? whats wrong with racepicking? its random thats bullshit | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 23 2010 14:35 italiangymnast wrote: DUDE!! you guys gotta prohibit using the new zerg 12 zerglings in a minute and a half bug for this tourney if blizzard doesnt fix it by later today Agreed. Watching -orb- do it on his stream is pretty entertaining, but it is waaaaaaaaay imba. It'll be interesting to see if Blizzard had any rationale for it at all, but it needs to be fixed asap. | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
On April 23 2010 14:38 IdrA wrote: whats wrong with racepicking? its random thats bullshit Yeah agreed, i'd much rather play someone that decides to play a specific races vs my race and tells me what that is, compared to playing a random player >-<. Also, hoping idra 6-pool 12-ling rushes orb every game just cos it'd be hilarious. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
i guess i don't have a huge issue with racepicking (i guess it isn't totally fair, but whatever), more that tasteless is apparently the only person who gets to do it for some arbitrary reason when HD says that every other player "needs" to pick random only? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 23 2010 14:47 rauk wrote: random isn't bullshit, you have to be proficient in 9 matchups. i guess i don't have a huge issue with racepicking (i guess it isn't totally fair, but whatever), more that tasteless is apparently the only person who gets to do it for some arbitrary reason when HD says that every other player "needs" to pick random only? you dont need to be proficient in 9 matchups, you need 9 gay builds that take advantage of the fact that you unfairly handicap your opponent. | ||
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DreamShake
Peru120 Posts
On April 23 2010 14:51 IdrA wrote: you dont need to be proficient in 9 matchups, you need 9 gay builds that take advantage of the fact that you unfairly handicap your opponent. The "advantage" of random is nullified the instant the other player discovers the race. After that point, usually before the 2 minute mark, the "advantage" of random is gone. How can his "9 gay builds" take advantage of anything when after about 1 minute the cat is out of the bag? Meanwhile the actual advantages of playing one race (only having to learn 3 matchups, same hotkeys, etc) stays the ENTIRE game. Its not like random players have super secret special builds that only work because the other player didn't know his race untill the 1:30 mark. Thats would be pretty funny. The truth is, its much easier and safer to play just one race. Why do you think so many pros play just one race? If its so advantageous (as your post seems to indicate), why aren't you and everyone playing random? IMMENSE LOGIC FAIL You can elaborate on how much of an "unfair handicap" you get when your opponent chooses random, if you wish. Random players have the most fun, balls and skill IMO. I been random since from warcraft 1 to starcraft 2, wheres the fun in playing only ONE race? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:06 DreamShake wrote: its advantageous in that it gives inferior players a chance to win in a way that doesnt rely on skill. obviously good players arent gonna go for that. The "advantage" of random is nullified the instant the other player discovers the race. After that point, usually before the 2 minute mark, the "advantage" of random is gone. How can his "9 gay builds" take advantage of anything when after about 1 minute the cat is out of the bag? Meanwhile the actual advantages of playing one race (only having to learn 3 matchups, same hotkeys, etc) stays the ENTIRE game. Its not like random players have super secret special builds that only work because the other player didn't know his race untill the 1:30 mark. Thats would be pretty funny. The truth is, its much easier and safer to play just one race. Why do you think so many pros play just one race? If its so advantageous (as your post seems to indicate), why aren't you and everyone playing random? IMMENSE LOGIC FAIL You can elaborate on how much of an "unfair handicap" you get when your opponent chooses random, if you wish. Random players have the most fun, balls and skill IMO. I been random since from warcraft 1 to starcraft 2, wheres the fun in playing only ONE race? just forcing someone to scout that early is an immense advantage in itself especially given that you all cheese because, for all your bitching about having to learn 9 matchups, none of you actually do. you random, you force an early scout + a non optimal early build, and then you allin. ya you're manly. dumbass. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
-Makes opponent scout earlier -Less vulnerable to early cheese -Opponent more vulnerable to early cheese. So basically if you don't do an early cheese build it just means you're more likely to get into a standard game//face a longer term cheese where you're technically at a disadvantage since you have to play more matchups. If you do an early cheese build well great but you won't get far cheesing all the time. There's very limited cheeses that happen very early anyway, fast reaper, proxy gates, fast pool are the main ones. I think there's a reason nobody has ever had success at a programing level with it. Testie is exceptional and did really well as a top foreigner with it, that's the only case that comes close. certain "good players" would do anything it takes to win so I don't think that argument holds. If you all-in every game then yeah you probably won't be commended by your skill for playing random, but TLO usually is losing at the early game because he's not solid at it and comes back just doing inventive stuff. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:30 IdrA wrote: its advantageous in that it gives inferior players a chance to win in a way that doesnt rely on skill. obviously good players arent gonna go for that. just forcing someone to scout that early is an immense advantage in itself especially given that you all cheese because, for all your bitching about having to learn 9 matchups, none of you actually do. you random, you force an early scout + a non optimal early build, and then you allin. ya you're manly. dumbass. Suck it up man, did it occur to you that people can win and still have fun? Look at TLO who plays random he is the biggest crowd-pleaser out there. Creative play is exciting play, whether it is all-in or not, and the competition doesn't exist without people wanting to watch it no matter how optimal your build is. | ||
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Moss
Sweden32 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:37 deL wrote: how exactly does that apply to what i said.. at all? i didnt say no one enjoys it, just that it doesnt deserve any respect. Suck it up man, did it occur to you that people can win and still have fun? Look at TLO who plays random he is the biggest crowd-pleaser out there. Creative play is exciting play, whether it is all-in or not, and the competition doesn't exist without people wanting to watch it no matter how optimal your build is. also i said it forces non optimal builds, as in if your opponent is random you cant play properly because you dont know what race they are. which is incredibly unfair, being given a handicap like that for something thats beyond your control. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
Pretty much summarizes it I think. People who play random clearly don't play only to win because then you'd pick a race. I think Testie's argument was that you get 3x the enjoyment or something. | ||
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