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Guc
Australia28 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:42 IdrA wrote: how exactly does that apply to what i said.. at all? i didnt say no one enjoys it, just that it doesnt deserve any respect. also i said it forces non optimal builds, as in if your opponent is random you cant play properly because you dont know what race they are. which is incredibly unfair, being given a handicap like that for something thats beyond your control. People can be just as skilled as a Random player as any other race, their choice disadvantaging the opponent shouldn't detract from their own play in any way unless they explicitly abuse this. In sport where an competitor is more athletic than an opponent it's an advantage out of their control but it really doesn't mean one is more skilled than the other - there's no way to quantify this. Anyway I was just offering a perspective. I completely understand your point about it getting you out of your comfort zone and being unfair because I used to share the view. But this comes from how the game is played - with so-called optimal builds and hours upon hours of practice - these aren't "rules" which are being abused. As part of the playing field I feel personally that it's something that players should be required to adapt to but then never having played at anything representing a high level maybe the view is different from up there. The Random players shouldn't be seen as skill-less and cheesy just because of a majority. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
For this reason, we are prohibiting intentional canceling of eggs for the sole purpose of getting larva. For example: Having 6 larva ready right when your spawning pool finishes with no queen. While it is impossible to know if every egg cancel was intentional or not, any Zerg players out there should please refrain from using it solely to gain extra larva, ESPECIALLY in the early game. | ||
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Usul
Germany150 Posts
On April 23 2010 09:47 HDstarcraft wrote: I just wanted to clarify that player's who picked random MUST pick random as their race. An exception is given to Tasteless, because he told us prior that he has certain matchups where he prefers a certain race. After ro16, we will clarify what those matchups exactly are. I dont get why Tasteless gets a special treatment. Seems unfair to me. You should ask the other random players, if they have certain matchups, too, where they prefer a certain race, then. But that would be unfair to all the other players. The only fair way to go is everyone sticks with their decision. | ||
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DreamShake
Peru120 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:30 IdrA wrote: its advantageous in that it gives inferior players a chance to win in a way that doesnt rely on skill. obviously good players arent gonna go for that. just forcing someone to scout that early is an immense advantage in itself especially given that you all cheese because, for all your bitching about having to learn 9 matchups, none of you actually do. you random, you force an early scout + a non optimal early build, and then you allin. ya you're manly. dumbass. That handicap disappears as soon as the person discovers the race. Alot of race-pickers have the same opening no matter what race, so you really think sending an early scout will really throw the player off his game? How in gods name does having to scout random "force non optimal builds"? If you're openings are so different for each matchup, maybe you should practice on an opening specialized vs random? Like I said, the "advantage" of playing random disappears after 1 minute of gameplay The advantage of practicing and playing only one race lasts the entire game. Lol @ Race pickers being mad.. You practice hours and hours and "optimize" your builds, you take pride in your skill and your gaming prowess. but little does the world know, sending an early (or sometimes not early, depending on your openings/maps) scout to find random, totally throws you off your game! Learning one race is easier, safer, and more effective. It's common sense. Playing random is a handicap in itself. which is probably why you see alot of random people cheesing, because their mid and lategame is not up to par due to not playing the SAME race EVERY time. p.s. Nothing wrong with cheesing. | ||
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HDstarcraft
United States577 Posts
On April 23 2010 16:16 Usul wrote: I dont get why Tasteless gets a special treatment. Seems unfair to me. You should ask the other random players, if they have certain matchups, too, where they prefer a certain race, then. But that would be unfair to all the other players. The only fair way to go is everyone sticks with their decision. Tasteless requested this while Invitations were still being sent out. It is my fault for creating the brackets showing Tasteless as random. He actually plays Z for certain matchups and P for others. I will update the actual matchups when I can. It is my knowledge that most major tournaments allow players to choose certain races for certain matchups. Therefore Tasteless is not receiving any special treatment. IE: When a player says he will play P, it is assumed for PvP, PvZ, PvT. When a player says he will play R (random) it is assumed for RvP, RvZ, RvT. And of course, there are players who will request dual races, such as PvT, PvZ, TvP. In the end the opponent will always know what race to prepare for in the tournament. (In this case day9 and Tasteless are brothers, and day9 is playing random so it doesn't really apply). Once again, as soon as we get confirmation from Tasteless as to which race matchups he wants, we will update the thread. | ||
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HDstarcraft
United States577 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:42 IdrA wrote: How exactly does that apply to what i said.. at all? i didnt say no one enjoys it, just that it doesnt deserve any respect. also i said it forces non optimal builds, as in if your opponent is random you cant play properly because you dont know what race they are. which is incredibly unfair, being given a handicap like that for something thats beyond your control. Ehm it isn't beyond your control you just have to play random yourself if you don't want to be handicapped. If random gives you the highest probability to win, just pick it yourself or stop complaining, but you probably think that concentrating on one race gives you a higher probability to win, yet keep complaining which is just silly. Blizzard intentionally implemented Random the way it is Starcraft and so any complaint about it, is as silly as any other complaint about a non-buggy feature of Starcraft. | ||
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Usul
Germany150 Posts
On April 23 2010 16:29 HDstarcraft wrote: It is my knowledge that most major tournaments allow players to choose certain races for certain matchups. Therefore Tasteless is not receiving any special treatment. So all players (even not random players) have the chance to switch their race in a certain matchup? Do all the players know this? | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 23 2010 17:39 TBO wrote: Ehm it isn't beyond your control you just have to play random yourself if you don't want to be handicapped. If random gives you the highest probability to win, just pick it yourself or stop complaining, but you probably think that concentrating on one race gives you a higher probability to win, yet keep complaining which is just silly. Blizzard intentionally implemented Random the way it is Starcraft and so any complaint about it, is as silly as any other complaint about a non-buggy feature of Starcraft. that doesnt remove the handicap, it just gives the same to your opponent. it still hurts your ability to play properly early game. it doesnt have to give you a higher probability to win to be obnoxious. and thats utterly retarded. blizzard readily admits theyre balancing casual play with competitive play. randoms fine for fun games, it has no place in tournaments. | ||
Liquid`TLO
Germany767 Posts
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
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HDstarcraft
United States577 Posts
On April 23 2010 17:48 Usul wrote: So all players (even not random players) have the chance to switch their race in a certain matchup? Do all the players know this? No players can change their race. What they said they would play when I sent an invite is what they are restricted to. The only player who requested to use more than 1 race was Tasteless. Day9 and TLO requested to use Random and that is what they must use. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 23 2010 18:38 TheLittleOne wrote: Are you scared? lol | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On April 23 2010 16:13 HuskyTheHusky wrote: It has come to our attention that there is a new bug in regards to how canceling an egg affects your larva count. While Blizzard intended this to 'save' larva, it actually allows hatcheries to have additional larva. For this reason, we are prohibiting intentional canceling of eggs for the sole purpose of getting larva. For example: Having 6 larva ready right when your spawning pool finishes with no queen. While it is impossible to know if every egg cancel was intentional or not, any Zerg players out there should please refrain from using it solely to gain extra larva, ESPECIALLY in the early game. It's good that you banned this. What sucks is that literally every single zerg on the ladder is doing this build. I have some friends I practice with but damn it sure did narrow down the amount I can practice when ladder is now literally completely not an option | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On April 23 2010 19:44 -orb- wrote: It's good that you banned this. What sucks is that literally every single zerg on the ladder is doing this build. I have some friends I practice with but damn it sure did narrow down the amount I can practice when ladder is now literally completely not an option ya thats too bad your fellow gold members would be quite the preparation | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
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