EPTOn a side note, HD and Husky, how did you guys manage to acquire the sponsor and what was the process like (was their a lot of convincing, did you have a friend of a friend on the inside or were they just handing out free money one day and you showed up at the perfect time)?
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Gibbles
Canada6 Posts
On a side note, HD and Husky, how did you guys manage to acquire the sponsor and what was the process like (was their a lot of convincing, did you have a friend of a friend on the inside or were they just handing out free money one day and you showed up at the perfect time)? | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On April 21 2010 06:33 -orb- wrote: Posting my winrate is a pretty silly thing to do considering half the time I roll Desert Oasis I just hit f10-e-q and take the free loss, and back when I used replay-auto-renamer it would crash me after every game giving me a free loss between every game (aka I'd play a game and the next game I played I'd get disc'd and get a free loss). Apologies. I didn't mean anything as a personal attack, and I also think its great that you talk to your stream and answer their questions pretty frequently, while pointing out when they say things that are Go kick Idra's ass. | ||
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ofsorrow
Brazil3 Posts
On April 21 2010 07:50 cyclone25 wrote: Don't get me wrong, excepting this issue it's the best tournament in beta so far and thanks for hosting it. But thinking it won't be live ... how can I cheer for a player, hoping he will do something, thinking that all this already happened. It will be like watching a good replay for sure, which is different than live TT. Well, I tried ... my last hope is that blizzard will add a /dnd option with the next patch, so players whispering in game is no longer a issue and games would be streamed live. Of course it's different, but this invitational has been about replays from the start, and it's still awesome. Also, as already stated, players could receive information via several different ways, outside b.net. Try thinking of it as a necessity for the community to grow. Having live streams, knowing it would ease cheating, and just "accepting the situation" would be worse in the long term, imo. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
Of course, you can argue, "But I won't like it, because I can't get into it! How can I get hyped about a replay?" I assure you, however, that you shall. If you have any hype about the match itself before it is played, your humanness will pour forth in the replays, too. I suspect I shall not have to expound that; you'll be excited about the game because it's a game you like with a player for whom or against whom you are rooting. | ||
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fantomex
United States313 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
Again, I come from Warcraft 3 scene, and in past 4-5 years while there have been tons of live streamed events, there wasn't a single cheat scandal !!! Most of the time they use waaaghtv which has 30-60 seconds delay from the real game. A player could easily abuse that. But no one did it. Top players who have something to lose are not that cheap as you think ... (and please don't give me the TSL example, as I replied to it like 3 times already). How about GosuCup or Razer tournaments that are running now? What about the events streamed by ESL TV? What about the matches that Day[9] or GLHF TV are streaming live? Where are the hackers? Where are the idiots who whisper players info about opponents? And stop saying the prize of this event is huge, because it's not ... it's the biggest in beta, but still 10 times less than in TSL. If someone will really want to cheat he will get some undetectable map hack ... no need to bother with watching the live stream. To prevent players from getting random messages in game while they are playing, HDH should create some special accounts for this tournament like "Player1.asd1415" (some random text as the identifier not known to the public view). It's beyond me how all this "cheating players" issue is so exaggerated on this thread ... and it's viewers who will suffer from it. | ||
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
On April 21 2010 09:41 cyclone25 wrote: To prevent players from getting random messages in game while they are playing, HDH should create some special accounts for this tournament like "Player1.asd1415" (some random text as the identifier not known to the public view). Yeah, let me pull those 16 beta keys out of my ass for special accounts. Disguised names is more annoying than watching replays. Regardless, they already stated they are doing the games from replays. If you wanna bitch and moan, go do it in your own shit thread. edit (content): In other news, I'm frikin psyched for these matches :D | ||
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Lelievre
Canada147 Posts
Good luck to all! looking forward to watching Orb/IdrA and TLO/Artosis. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On April 21 2010 09:41 cyclone25 wrote: It seems to me that viewers are neglected here ... who cares if they watch the game one week after it was played; the main focus is to have 0% chance for players to hack. Which is really exaggerated for some reason I can't understand. Again, I come from Warcraft 3 scene, and in past 4-5 years while there have been tons of live streamed events, there wasn't a single cheat scandal !!! Most of the time they use waaaghtv which has 30-60 seconds delay from the real game. A player could easily abuse that. But no one did it. Top players who have something to lose are not that cheap as you think ... (and please don't give me the TSL example, as I replied to it like 3 times already). How about GosuCup or Razer tournaments that are running now? What about the events streamed by ESL TV? What about the matches that Day[9] or GLHF TV are streaming live? Where are the hackers? Where are the idiots who whisper players info about opponents? And stop saying the prize of this event is huge, because it's not ... it's the biggest in beta, but still 10 times less than in TSL. If someone will really want to cheat he will get some undetectable map hack ... no need to bother with watching the live stream. To prevent players from getting random messages in game while they are playing, HDH should create some special accounts for this tournament like "Player1.asd1415" (some random text as the identifier not known to the public view). It's beyond me how all this "cheating players" issue is so exaggerated on this thread ... and it's viewers who will suffer from it. Come on dude. I came back to this thread like hours later and you're still crusading on? They're gonna do the casts of replays, just come to peace with it. I think a lot of people now have raised legitimate counterarguments. If you don't get them, as you say, then just stop fighting it. The organizers made their choice; there's no fight to win. This tournament is a huge boon for the community, lets just sit back and enjoy some good SC2, eh? | ||
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Chido
United States18 Posts
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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Navigator
Canada50 Posts
On April 21 2010 07:53 cuppatea wrote: I was really looking forward to watching these games (and still am to a lesser extent) but delaying showing them by a week is really gonna kill it as a spectator event. Yeah I'd have to agree. There is a solution, those who know if just haven't posted it yet. If human are capable of sending robots to mars, a 5 minute delay on a live stream should be quite simple. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 21 2010 10:33 See.Blue wrote: Come on dude. I came back to this thread like hours later and you're still crusading on? They're gonna do the casts of replays, just come to peace with it. I think a lot of people now have raised legitimate counterarguments. If you don't get them, as you say, then just stop fighting it. The organizers made their choice; there's no fight to win. This tournament is a huge boon for the community, lets just sit back and enjoy some good SC2, eh? there are no (real) legitimate counterarguments for not casting live. I understand their concerns and I understand that this is the way it will be done, i just hope that they(and everyone else) realize that the goal they should be working on is to cast games live. Maybe not this event, but hopefully the next one. the thing is even if we would know that someone would 100% cheat it would still be better to cast it live because more viewers(as there always will be for live event) is more imperative for the development of starcraft as a esport then anything else. | ||
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Amazn
United States83 Posts
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frumplejoon
United States129 Posts
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Glufs
Norway78 Posts
On April 21 2010 13:15 frumplejoon wrote: I don't know if that was HD's original idea or the players not wanting their strats to be revealed for the following week's matches In SC2 tournaments in 5 years from now, almost every strategy will have been used and alot of videos/replays from the players previous matches will be available. The idea to not reveal strategies that have been used in previous matches feels invalid with that in mind, unless its a contest of being the most creative. Also, revealing your strats could be used to your advantage aswell. I agree that it is vital to remain spectator-friendly tournaments to support the growth of starcraft as an esport. In general, what are the arguments against showing semi-live stream with a 10-minute delay? Any information about important tech-switches or expansions would be pretty much worthless after 10 minutes in a game, even if the match lasts for an hour. | ||
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Crixus
Canada110 Posts
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ZergOwaR
Norway280 Posts
On April 21 2010 07:41 cyclone25 wrote: Great ... now I'll watch a game knowing that was played a week ago. I thought it will be streamed 1-2 hours after they will play it. This even looked so promising, now it's like watching replays of it. Seriously this is went too far. then go away from this tournament. grats you know that this game has been completed, but i bet anything that you have to pay more than the pricepool of the tournament to get to know the outcome. if your mind is so set on "if its not now, its not worth it" then just dont watch.. wait until the replays are out and the game chart listed with win/loss. hell i'm lucky if i even get a chance to watch a live stream, i would be happy with the vods but i do hope that they would add a spoiler thingy around the game chart, it would be sad if i caught a glimpse of who won a game i was about to watch | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
However, for the Round of 4, Third Place, and Finals, we are leaving it up to the community to decide how we do this. There are currently two options (please keep in mind whichever option we go with, HD VODs will still be posted to our respective YouTube channels) A) Do the same as Round of 16 and Round of 8. (These game replays will be commentated live over our Livestream channel and then uploaded to YouTube after.) OR B) We can cast the games live with the players and record a continuous video file of the entire thing. Sometime shortly after we will Livestream this video file in its entirety. This is the best way to delay Livestream that we are aware of. Poll: Which casting method would you prefer for RO 4/Finals Option B (1616) Option A (768) 2384 total votes Your vote: Which casting method would you prefer for RO 4/Finals | ||
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HDstarcraft
United States577 Posts
 Husky and I have a bet going on hehe | ||
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