EPTHDH Invitational #1 - Page 299
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Sen
Taiwan108 Posts
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Setz3R
United States455 Posts
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
On May 24 2010 10:56 forgotten0ne wrote: The difference between Idra vs White-Ra and Sen vs White-Ra is simple. Sen actually uses his brain. Idra = speedy mechanical monkey Sen = high apm genius Also, this tournament really makes you think about how nearly impossible it is to live off being a pro-gamer. White-Ra just spent a month winning $2500. If he could do this every month (meaning there would have to be a tournament, AND he would have to win every time), he would still be making a "decent" wage. Granted, that's US standards, which is why we're the last country to have any sort of true e-Sports. but 2500$ in the ukranie is 7 months worth of average salery soooo | ||
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caldazar
United States38 Posts
That doesn't mean anything is wrong about the matchup: the zerg army is still much much more mobile, especially with creep across the map, nydus worms, and cheaper transports. And the effectiveness of both colossi and mass FF is greatly diminished in a split army as well. As we saw, the zerg will usually be able to get their 200/200 army faster, so attacking at multiple points in that time window to avoid engaging the big colossus/sentry ball at all costs might become a stable of ZvP lategame. | ||
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mDZeaLoT
Canada14 Posts
On May 24 2010 12:09 jamesr12 wrote: but 2500$ in the ukranie is 7 months worth of average salery soooo not to mention these are beta prize pools. they'll only get bigger from here after release. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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nudicle
5 Posts
I'm just writing this in response to the people saying the games sucked, etc... And I am not trying to 'refute' them .. but I just want to add my perspective. The last time I played an RTS was 1997 when I was in college. I used to play Warcraft with my college roommates. Then one day about a month ago I randomly discovered a HD/Husky commentated game on youtube. It was entertaining. So I checked out Husky's youtube page and found a like to e-sports. I'm not kidding -- I thought "is this some sort of Madden thing he also plays?" Anyway, I've now pre-ordered SC2 and play in silver on Bnet2. I suck. I know I suck and I don't really care. I have fun and I'm trying to get better. This place is pretty intimidating since you all seem so good and experienced, but I enjoy watching the dialogue. But if it weren't for HD and Husky, I wouldn't know about SC2 or care. I'm never going to be a player you guys know about and talk about, but I'm sure 5 years from now there will be players who get turned onto the game through casts, just like I did. And some of those players will go on to kick ass. So .. all I'm saying is hello and glad to be here. And thanks to HD and Husky for introducing me to this whole thing. Imho, the "bias" is kinda of great -- one of the strengths, I think, of Husky and HD is that they say what's on their mind when it pops in their head. I find that immensely entertaining. You can mute the volume if you don't like it. | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 24 2010 06:46 SureYouCan wrote: 4. Actually, a few ultras would have been pretty good, considering WhiteRa is KNOWN for his stellar FF play. And that doesn't mean FF is overpowered (I can't throw them out every time the way he does, and I doubt you can either); it means he's a great player. Learn to deal with FFs. [/QUOTE] For the record this was played on patch 12, not 13 so Ultras would have been more detrimental if anything due to its general uselessness. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3523 Posts
On May 24 2010 10:56 forgotten0ne wrote: Also, this tournament really makes you think about how nearly impossible it is to live off being a pro-gamer. White-Ra just spent a month winning $2500. If he could do this every month (meaning there would have to be a tournament, AND he would have to win every time), he would still be making a "decent" wage. Granted, that's US standards, which is why we're the last country to have any sort of true e-Sports. He won other prize money during this month as well. He`s also in the Altitude TL next week. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:52 Azarkon wrote: Alright, for people who STILL think mass Colossi cannot be beat, watch this game between Sen vs. White-Ra: http://vod.plu.cn/esports/sc2/vod/649.html Turn off the Chinese commentary. Tune to around the 32:00 minute mark when the actual match begins (yes, there's 30 minutes of commercial in the VOD). Same strategy (defensive mass expand by White-Ra with colossi). Same map (Metalopolis). Sen wins decisively. Spoilers: Note how Sen never fights 200/200 head-on with the colossi ball. He's always fighting with multiple control groups, forcing White-Ra to move his army, and using the positional advantage to crush White-Ra's economy, abusing Zerg's ability to replace armies incredibly quickly. Most importantly, he has assassin corrupters (6-8 of them) which are sniping off colossi in every single encounter. White-Ra was never allowed to have more than 2-3 colossi in any engagement. So your advice is to play like the best and fastest player in the world? Thanks! Awesome advice. | ||
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forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
On May 24 2010 12:36 mDZeaLoT wrote: not to mention these are beta prize pools. they'll only get bigger from here after release. Even so, you have one guy out of thousands if not millions of people playing the game. There's a reason all the best Americans aren't living in America. | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 24 2010 14:23 fathead wrote: So your advice is to play like the best and fastest player in the world? Thanks! Awesome advice. Given that White-Ra is also one of the best (if not quite fastest - hey, he's in his thirties  ) Protoss players in the world, yeah, I expect that you'll need to play like Sen to beat him. But if you're talking about colossi in casual ladder play, a group of corrupters should be sufficient to counter them. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On May 24 2010 14:23 fathead wrote: So your advice is to play like the best and fastest player in the world? Thanks! Awesome advice. lol What the post above me said + Azarkon definitely did give terrible advice by trying to show how to beat whitera's play. A better advice would be go ahead and repeat Idra's mistakes? Given that we all try to get better I think we should do so with the right strategy. Anywho glad Ra won, pozdravliaiu! (congrats) Between, $2000 in Ukraine goes much further than in United States but its not enough for 7 months Still, I think you can live comfortably for 2-3 months with that | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
whens the youtube vids coming up? | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 24 2010 13:03 nudicle wrote: Hey guys, I'm just writing this in response to the people saying the games sucked, etc... And I am not trying to 'refute' them .. but I just want to add my perspective. The last time I played an RTS was 1997 when I was in college. I used to play Warcraft with my college roommates. Then one day about a month ago I randomly discovered a HD/Husky commentated game on youtube. It was entertaining. So I checked out Husky's youtube page and found a like to e-sports. I'm not kidding -- I thought "is this some sort of Madden thing he also plays?" Anyway, I've now pre-ordered SC2 and play in silver on Bnet2. I suck. I know I suck and I don't really care. I have fun and I'm trying to get better. This place is pretty intimidating since you all seem so good and experienced, but I enjoy watching the dialogue. But if it weren't for HD and Husky, I wouldn't know about SC2 or care. I'm never going to be a player you guys know about and talk about, but I'm sure 5 years from now there will be players who get turned onto the game through casts, just like I did. And some of those players will go on to kick ass. So .. all I'm saying is hello and glad to be here. And thanks to HD and Husky for introducing me to this whole thing. Imho, the "bias" is kinda of great -- one of the strengths, I think, of Husky and HD is that they say what's on their mind when it pops in their head. I find that immensely entertaining. You can mute the volume if you don't like it. Nice post welcome sir | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On May 24 2010 13:03 nudicle wrote: Hey guys, I'm just writing this in response to the people saying the games sucked, etc... And I am not trying to 'refute' them .. but I just want to add my perspective. The last time I played an RTS was 1997 when I was in college. I used to play Warcraft with my college roommates. Then one day about a month ago I randomly discovered a HD/Husky commentated game on youtube. It was entertaining. So I checked out Husky's youtube page and found a like to e-sports. I'm not kidding -- I thought "is this some sort of Madden thing he also plays?" Anyway, I've now pre-ordered SC2 and play in silver on Bnet2. I suck. I know I suck and I don't really care. I have fun and I'm trying to get better. This place is pretty intimidating since you all seem so good and experienced, but I enjoy watching the dialogue. But if it weren't for HD and Husky, I wouldn't know about SC2 or care. I'm never going to be a player you guys know about and talk about, but I'm sure 5 years from now there will be players who get turned onto the game through casts, just like I did. And some of those players will go on to kick ass. So .. all I'm saying is hello and glad to be here. And thanks to HD and Husky for introducing me to this whole thing. Imho, the "bias" is kinda of great -- one of the strengths, I think, of Husky and HD is that they say what's on their mind when it pops in their head. I find that immensely entertaining. You can mute the volume if you don't like it. Thanks nudicle .I won't ever be able to impress every single person with what I do. That is just how this stuff goes. Hell, just the fact that my friends enjoy my videos is enough to keep me going. If I help promote StarCraft 2 and be just one of the countless steps building up to Esports having a rightful place in society, then at the end of the day I think I've done an outstanding job. I love this game and am glad I helped bring it to you as well. Cheers!  | ||
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
I can sympathise with some of the comments about the commentary, it's always annoying to hear repetition and particularly things like 'cheese factory' and whatever. But at the same time you guys have to talk A LOT and it must be very hard to fill in the gaps, keep up when the action picks up, and explain what's going on. I think many of us would struggle to do such a good job, and more importantly, no one else is really trying to either! Thanks so very much for what you've done to make last night's game so wonderful to watch. I think it was just a shade under 25k viewers, that's mega mega. If you think how many people go to craven cottage (fulham fc) that's a comparable number. Your sponsor got very good milage so I hope that helps you guys out in the future! Thanks again HDH guys! | ||
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Mesha
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
for my first post just want to say i enjoyed the tournament very much. I've been lurking these forums from time to time and since i'm starting to play more and more starcraft why not join the party on best starcraft forum out there. Now question, -Is it possible to find replays of these HDH invitational games? If not, why not? Thanks. | ||
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Darkside-
United States52 Posts
P.S. Next time let Day9 commentate! | ||
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