[R&S] ZOTAC SC2 Beta Cup - Page 46

On May 10 2010 02:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:


TvZ is not so bad, but seriously I saw your games vs Jinro. You made a fool of yourself,... he went really reaperheavy and you stayed with lings.. 2-3 roaches would totally shut that down.

On May 10 2010 02:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I played like an idiot game 1 but no excuses for game 2 and 3.

Gg wp.

On May 10 2010 02:43 Sfydjklm wrote:

ha-ha-ha

On May 10 2010 02:38 G.s)NarutO wrote:


TvZ is not so bad, but seriously I saw your games vs Jinro. You made a fool of yourself,... he went really reaperheavy and you stayed with lings.. 2-3 roaches would totally shut that down.

On May 10 2010 02:41 MorroW wrote:
lol zpux you along with tons of zerg users just ride the wave of imbalance and dont think ur race is OP. sure its starting to get playable but some weeks ago all of u zerg users thought u were so much more skilled than us

On May 10 2010 02:46 MorroW wrote:

grats for staying manner but i think everyone on TL knows what u really think

On May 10 2010 02:46 MorroW wrote:

grats for staying manner but i think everyone on TL knows what u really think

why r ur posts always attacking someone elses post with 1-10 words without bringing anything urself to the table or even explaining why u disagree? in my book thats a troll

grats for staying manner but i think everyone on TL knows what u really think

On May 10 2010 02:51 ZpuX wrote:

Oh, dont get me wrong I'm certainly not complaining about my games, I knew I made some mistakes and I am by no means satisfied with the way I played. I was just asking what kind strats are insta-win for zergs as you pretty much tried to say...


I wont say the game is completely balanced, but I do think you and naruto are over exaggerating things. There was a terran in the finals today, there was a terran in the finals yesterday in the TLI. the last the last 3 ESL finals had a terran in them (including the one this Monday). There was a terran in the Razer tournament finals, there was another terran in the Gosugamers finals. US craftcup had a terran in the finals.

But hey, keep ignoring this fact if it makes you feel better about yourself.

On May 10 2010 02:57 LaLuSh wrote:
I think terran are forced to 1base if they want the matchup vs zerg to be even. If they do... it's often balanced, but the games feel more like coin flips than real games because the zerg has to guess the terran tech pattern and transitions. Basically if they guess right and/or don't overcommit to defense they win. If it goes to a macro game, terran will lose more often than not.

Protoss is just gay because they allow people like naniwa who have never heard of expansions in their lives to be good gimmick strategy players. If you ever see a game with naniwa that reaches the mid or lategame you'll feel embarassed for the kid. He can't macro for shit. These 5gate builds are prolly the wc3 equivalent to tower rushes. Gimmick build that shouldn't work and won't work frequently enough as it gets patched.

And then we get to the zerg. They have an overpowered macro mechanic that makes them go out of control in the mid and lategame. But they are really weak and have to do alot of guessing in the early game to even get there.


They'd possibly be able to get rid of some of these imbalances if they nerfed the macro mechanics for all races. Slightly more for zerg than the other races. It'd allow zerg to survive to the mid game easier and at the same time not be so ridiculously strong when they got there. Also it'd be fun to have some more tension and decision making regarding building hatcheries or making queens.

Also I think terrans macro mechanic needs to be revamped so MULEs return considerably less, but they cost like 10 energy. This would punish terran players for having bad macro as they'd saturate their mineral lines if they miss putting down the MULEs. It'd also balance out gold expansions which are ridiculously strong for terrans.

I think Blizzard will realize sooner or later they have to tweak the macro mechanics to make 1base play weaker. As it is now it is the best strategy available. Because the macro mechanics accelerate the gameplay there's too big of a discrepancy between expanding and cheesing/all-inning. Nerfing the macro mechanics would smoothen it out and delay the timings of everything slightly.

If you scout a 5 gate you should be able to counter it. In BW if you scouted a scouted 4 gate you would be in a massive lead because the non existent macro mechanics and delayed timings early game would allow you to adapt accordingly. As it is now in SC2, it doesn't really matter if you scout a 5gate, it's still just as hard to stop.

On May 10 2010 03:02 Doomgaze wrote:
IIRC blizz has stated that there's a ~10% disadvantage in the TvP matchup. These statistics were generated from platinum and - I believe - even gold league ladder play. This means the actual number may very well be even higher at the top level (as if 10% wasn't a lot already).

And yes it's true that we've seen a few terran players making it to the finals over the last few tournaments. But it seems like a few of these terran players progressed by playing other terran/random users in the brackets, or playing offrace themselves.

On May 10 2010 03:04 FreshVegetables wrote:


Source plz, because i'm pretty sure it was 3-4% and not 10%.

On May 10 2010 02:53 lgd-haze wrote:


What does everyone on TL think? O_O

On May 10 2010 02:54 FreshVegetables wrote:
Yeah, MorroW is totally exaggerating the balance issue. Sure there are minor things but that's surely not why MorroW nowdays gets eliminated in round 3-4 or so. There are certainly ways that Terran can overcome the rather small imbalances in the beta. gg wp Nani!

On May 10 2010 02:55 Sfydjklm wrote:

because Naruto is a tool and he just spews nonsense for dramatic purposes and he knows it. I would perhaps put more effort into replying to his garbage of a post if he didnt manage to insult Zpux for no reason while at it.
Lings shut down reapers as effectively as roaches if the person microing reapers isnt Jinro. And when it is Jinro slow ass roaches don't exactly fare that well either. And its not like there arent solid follow ups if he switches to roaches right away.
I don't disagree with terran being weak part(perhaps in large portion because terrans havent been figured it out yet), but his posts are close to unbearable.

On May 10 2010 03:05 lolreaper wrote:
theres something wrong with the way warp gates work, they shouldnt be so ridiculously strong as they are now,



its 45 to 55%, and they count in things like 6rax reaper all ins etc, without this bullshit terrans winrate would be even more sad

On May 10 2010 03:04 FreshVegetables wrote:


Source plz, because i'm pretty sure it was 3-4% and not 10%.

On May 10 2010 03:02 Doomgaze wrote:
IIRC blizz has stated that there's a ~10% disadvantage in the TvP matchup. These statistics were generated from platinum and - I believe - even gold league ladder play. This means the actual number may very well be even higher at the top level (as if 10% wasn't a lot already).

And yes it's true that we've seen a few terran players making it to the finals over the last few tournaments. But it seems like a few of these terran players progressed by playing other terran/random users in the brackets, or playing offrace themselves.