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I'll try to keep this updated, if you can come up with a better layout or something tell me.
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Temple of EE-Sama22482 Posts
This is great, I was just wondering yesterday if anywhere had compiled Zotac results yet
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On March 23 2010 18:27 heyoka wrote:
This is great, I was just wondering yesterday if anywhere had compiled Zotac results yet
Yah I found out LP has it but who uses that anyway :school Pholon:
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wouldnt it be better to use starcraft 2 simple racial icons (zerg shell ect.) ?  (atm i cant tell whats on the pics ;P)
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On March 23 2010 19:11 MadLag wrote:wouldnt it be better to use starcraft 2 simple racial icons (zerg shell ect.) ? (atm i cant tell whats on the pics ;P)
Those bore me ;( SC2 stuff is supposed to be shiny and new so I added some bling.
Plus you can't easily add flags that way.
On March 23 2010 19:14 s.a.y wrote:+ Show Spoiler +yes.
the entire information on Zotac cups + replays are on TL SC2 wikipedia
Yep.
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I am going to win this time :-)
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WoW, I like the little race-icons for SC2! But theres a mistake in the "Result-Spoilers" - Demuslim plays Terran, not Zerg. ^^'
I really wonder why the Toss' aren't doing well in those tournaments at all... I guess the European Protoss-Pro's aren't as good as the other or they just loose against Z every time, because I don't see Toss' loosing against Terran when the players are on the same skilllevel... Maybe they all got SCV+Rine-rushed. xD
HasuObs, White-Ra and XLorD keep dropping very early - I wonder why... gotta see the reps. ^^' I think at least White-Ra plays very well and with interesting strategies, but maybe his playstyle just isn't suited for BO1's As far as XLorD and Hasu goes - I'm totally underwhelmed by their performance and they don't seem to improve that much and keep playing with low APM and the same strategies. -.-°
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Really nice OP, I love watching the Zotac cup
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demuslim is terran not zerg :x
edit: oh someone already said this while i was making this post xd
love zotac, play it every week!
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On March 23 2010 21:03 MorroW wrote:
demuslim is terran not zerg :x
edit: oh someone already said this while i was making this post xd
love zotac, play it every week!
GL in zotac-cup#5 then - you and Demuslim seem to be the Terran's only hope so far. ^^'
With Demu being on the cheesey end I really like to see the SC1-Terran Style you're showing atm. This isn't asskissing btw. it's encouraging solid macro-play rather than allin's and cheeses.
I mean: Demu has good timing and rather good macro for a WC3-player, but c'mon: Every game is just a cheesey timing-push at early or midgame. -.-°
But I guess it's true that it's hard to win otherwise with T...
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Nice promo.
ZOTAC Cup is great. I find that the skill level is higher on the Euro server and the final games are usually really interesting and exciting to watch.
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On March 23 2010 20:54 frequency wrote:
The flags are sexy.
Thanks frequency
On March 23 2010 21:03 MorroW wrote:
demuslim is terran not zerg :x
edit: oh someone already said this while i was making this post xd
love zotac, play it every week!
Thanks, fixed it after everyone's comments. GL in Zotac #5, means I can slack off and just reuse the flag images instead of making new ones ;D
Yah and I consider this making up for my refusal to cover ZOTAC SC:BW on iCCup news
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On March 23 2010 21:09 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 21:03 MorroW wrote:
demuslim is terran not zerg :x
edit: oh someone already said this while i was making this post xd
love zotac, play it every week! GL in zotac-cup#5 then - you and Demuslim seem to be the Terran's only hope so far. ^^' With Demu being on the cheesey end I really like to see the SC1-Terran Style you're showing atm. This isn't asskissing btw. it's encouraging solid macro-play rather than allin's and cheeses. I mean: Demu has good timing and rather good macro for a WC3-player, but c'mon: Every game is just a cheesey timing-push at early or midgame. -.-° But I guess it's true that it's hard to win otherwise with T...
i agree
its fun to talk strategical to demuslim cause we both have like opposite gamestyles. i always learn a little and i think hes getting some good insight how i play too ^^
we both agree that its pretty hard to play straight up games against zerg and he told me thats partly why hes having such a micro/cheese/timing/early gamestyle i tell him like "ok they just make roach and then run over ur hellions", he kinda agree and asks me "ok but what doesnt get run over?" then i give him credits for making the best out of an imbalanced mu situation because hes winning more tvz than me with his "bad" style when infact my style is also bad, everything is bad lol
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MorroW making up stuffs ! :D
Nah but on a serious note, if i know how my oppo is gonna play - i can always use that to my advantage and do a pretty decent timing rush. "Cheese" or not, i dunno what specifically is classed as "cheese" right now, as anything any terran does to win right now is obviously "cheese" i'll take it as a compliment!
Once the game becomes more defined and cheese is less commonly workable - then sure i'll play "standard", but as it is now - no "Uber" strat has been found for anyone race - so for now i'll play my variety card and see how far that takes me  .
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Mhmmm... I kinda feel that T can still play defensively with 1 base less against Z because Mules give T a much higher income. It's just very hard to scout with SCV's while you want to keep your Orbital Command Energy for Mules, because... well; you can't scout Z with SCV's really. Z often knows exactly what you're doing and can switch from macroing hardcore pumping out tons of drones to pumping out Units very fast, while T has to constantly build up both and play it very safe because you'r pretty much in the dark against Z or economically behind.
I feel like T can play a more reactive playstyle like for example play it safe in the beginning and scouting the Z early if he goes for FE and then build the own expansion a little later BUT being safe against early rushes, because after the Mules are out, you'll catch up pretty fast economically. It's of course also very hard to play a rather early expansion on certain Maps, while Z can expand and defend the expansion on every Map so far.
But defensive play and timing-pushes from 2-base with Upgrades, M&M&M's and Ravens seem to work pretty well against a Z that's 1 Base ahead IMHO. It's also the only way to beat a Z in a straight-up Macro-game.
Personally, I don't really like Demuslims playstyle: It's jmore about countering and rushing: He builds hellions, Z builds roaches, he builds Marauders, Z builds Mutas/Hydras, he builds Rines+Medivacs, Z builds Infestors and banelings. It's like trying to get ahead just with the Unitmix, rather than playing safe and winning with a strong push while keep harrassing with little Drops and denying the 3rd for the Zerg or just countering the Exe with an own exe.
But those are just my 2 cent's while knowing that Demuslims playstyle might be the stronger one for T atm, but it's just not what I'd call a solid playstyle and it will get weaker and weaker with every new Patch I guess.
*Edit: Not to totally stomp Demuslim, because I've seen some pretty nice stuff in his play's, like for example getting the exe farther away near the watchtower on Scrap Station as the second and making a fortress, therefore sealing the entrance to both the main and the natural, where you can expand next etc. It's just like in SC1: Creative players VS solid mechanical-players and I've always thought that solid mechanical play is stronger and more stable. ^^'
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While i can take your point on the noggin - so far i'd have to disagree.
I am playing a catchup game macrowise - but that can only get better, and zerg right now - 2 base vs 3, you won't succeed as a terran. My playstyle right now vs zerg is the only one that resembles abit of a slugfest - as it's pretty much a shot in the dark knowing exactly what the zerg is gonna do.
If you want to win with 2 base vs a zerg with more - you have to hope he makes a mistake with unit choice or something, which isn't exactly a hopeful style of winning.
But i think i've improoved, i mean i hit the zotac final twice, first time losing to dimaga, and the 2nd time, i had to think of a counter to his strategy on the spot, despite maybe looking abit sloppy, i think i played ok.
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