EPTEDIT: on a side note, DeMusliM do you prefer to be under the UK / GB flag or the English one? (assuming you're English)
[R&S] ZOTAC SC2 Beta Cup - Page 2
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
EDIT: on a side note, DeMusliM do you prefer to be under the UK / GB flag or the English one? (assuming you're English) | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On March 23 2010 21:59 DeMusliM wrote: While i can take your point on the noggin - so far i'd have to disagree. I am playing a catchup game macrowise - but that can only get better, and zerg right now - 2 base vs 3, you won't succeed as a terran. My playstyle right now vs zerg is the only one that resembles abit of a slugfest - as it's pretty much a shot in the dark knowing exactly what the zerg is gonna do. If you want to win with 2 base vs a zerg with more - you have to hope he makes a mistake with unit choice or something, which isn't exactly a hopeful style of winning. But i think i've improoved, i mean i hit the zotac final twice, first time losing to dimaga, and the 2nd time, i had to think of a counter to his strategy on the spot, despite maybe looking abit sloppy, i think i played ok. Of course your playing good - it's more a discussion about playstyles and that Terran seems to only win when you play a more rush-oriented playstyle. @TvZ: If Z doesn't have a high-min 3rd, T has a higher income with 2 OBC's Muling constantly, at least that's what I've seen in several replays so far. Even with 30 Drones against maybe 22 SCV's, if T Mules, he has a higher Mineral-Income and If you just spam Rines and Upgrades Dropships and just some Marauders to pick of certain stray Units from the Z, you should have enough Gas to go for ~2 Ravens and Upgrade HSM about the time they get out, so you'll have HSM rdy with enough Energy on the Ravens and at least +2+2 Upgrades on Infantry. At this time, if Z doesn't have Ultra's, you should be able to win with a good push - but that's just my experience and from what I've seen in Reps. But playstyle-discussions are more about personal taste rather than objectiveness, just to be clear I don't come across like little know-it-all. I'm pretty sure any of the current top-players would wipe the floor with my ass. ^^' | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
On March 23 2010 21:59 DeMusliM wrote: While i can take your point on the noggin - so far i'd have to disagree. I am playing a catchup game macrowise - but that can only get better, and zerg right now - 2 base vs 3, you won't succeed as a terran. My playstyle right now vs zerg is the only one that resembles abit of a slugfest - as it's pretty much a shot in the dark knowing exactly what the zerg is gonna do. If you want to win with 2 base vs a zerg with more - you have to hope he makes a mistake with unit choice or something, which isn't exactly a hopeful style of winning. But i think i've improoved, i mean i hit the zotac final twice, first time losing to dimaga, and the 2nd time, i had to think of a counter to his strategy on the spot, despite maybe looking abit sloppy, i think i played ok. You'll pick up the macro quick, it doesn't take any talent, just repetition and you're pretty talented in the other areas, keep winning for UK. Break out of the Fifa/Cod/Cs bullshit spoon-fed to the failing spit-shit masses over here. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
What the fuck you got to guess about anyway? Roaches or hydras? Ever seen a zerg do mutas the past couple of weeks ZvT? Oh yeah sorry I forgot, dimaga used them in the finals vs demuslim blind countering a banshee opening where the terran had absolutely no anti-air whatsoever but still managed to take no other damage than losing the banshees. Very viable tech path indeed. If anyone was doing any guessing that game, it was dimaga, not the other way around. The fact that the game went on for another 20 minutes after a perfect blind counter (not to mention the improvised anti-baneling wall-in where demuslim didn't even use the buildings for any other purpose than walling off) goes to show that we all need to get together and ask Blizzard for another buff for terran. Couldn't keep from going off topic. *: This post was mainly directed towards morrow. I believe demuslim plays the most viable TvZ that's available to the race currently. It provides the most options for terran, let's them take control of the game flow, and keeps zerg guessing constantly. The fact that two distinctly different and both very feesible styles of terran (macro style and the other style which I dub gay style) are equally viable makes it an even greater pain in the ass for the Z to handle. Basically: if you want control of the game flow, you have a style which allows you to take the control; now either use it or quit whining. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
Across the board, it's clear that T is the weakest race atm, but as we've seen, it's not a huge disadvantage and players find way's to play T and win with it. But balancing doesn't necessarily mean that each race can win against the other races, but also making it possible for T to maybe go mech, which we don't really see that often. (Especially Tanks and also Hellions are only used against Z) and even other Units, like the Reaper, seem only to be used for cheesey allin-reaper-rushes. And as Terran, you really have problems scouting your opponent and it's really hard to counter the opponent right, because it's hard to switch Unit-compositions with Terran but it's more necessary than with the other races. And as I've said: look at the Protoss-Replays from the last Zotac-Cups and you'll know why they're not doing well - it's because the games in which they've lost, they've lost because they played bad or lost against cheesey builds (at least the ones i've seen from the better Protoss-players in EU atm like White-Ra, XLorD and HasuObs). It just seems like T and Z have better and more players than P and P looses against Z more than T against P, because although TvP is very hard for T, they can just cheese-rush the Protoss... It's lame, but atm it works. | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
Everyone's complaining about how SC2 is 90% unit composition in big fights (which shouldn't have a negative connotation either entirely) and then he counters the strong force with a lot of multitasking, creativity, and micro. I must be missing the bad part of this or something. | ||
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Teugeus
United Kingdom21 Posts
And as Terran, you really have problems scouting your opponent and it's really hard to counter the opponent right, because it's hard to switch Unit-compositions with Terran but it's more necessary than with the other races. I really can't agree with that statement, the techlabs/reactors have a modular design more this very purpose. You can quickly switch from heavy banshee/marine army to viking/marauder to give a really basic example. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
On March 24 2010 00:02 iCCup.deL wrote: wtf happened to my poor thread ;( What did you want the discussion to look like? Haha. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On March 24 2010 00:16 JoshSuth wrote: What did you want the discussion to look like? Haha. They could at least relate it back to specific zotac games  | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
"For England James!" | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On March 24 2010 03:06 Qikz wrote: Oh swish, demuslim is from England. If I were to put this into a James Bond quote, it would have to be. "For England James!" I only assume so, I am guessing he's not Scottish or Welsh. Also his name is Ben iirc so your quote sucks  | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On March 23 2010 23:42 kickinhead wrote: The Fact that Terran Pro's are doing well atm doesn't necessarily mean T is particularly strong - just that the players are good. ^^' Across the board, it's clear that T is the weakest race atm, but as we've seen, it's not a huge disadvantage and players find way's to play T and win with it. But balancing doesn't necessarily mean that each race can win against the other races, but also making it possible for T to maybe go mech, which we don't really see that often. (Especially Tanks and also Hellions are only used against Z) and even other Units, like the Reaper, seem only to be used for cheesey allin-reaper-rushes. And as Terran, you really have problems scouting your opponent and it's really hard to counter the opponent right, because it's hard to switch Unit-compositions with Terran but it's more necessary than with the other races. And as I've said: look at the Protoss-Replays from the last Zotac-Cups and you'll know why they're not doing well - it's because the games in which they've lost, they've lost because they played bad or lost against cheesey builds (at least the ones i've seen from the better Protoss-players in EU atm like White-Ra, XLorD and HasuObs). It just seems like T and Z have better and more players than P and P looses against Z more than T against P, because although TvP is very hard for T, they can just cheese-rush the Protoss... It's lame, but atm it works. oh lawd u dont have any clue what yer talking about. you're wrong on just about every account. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
banshees are horrificly underused -and that for being a unit that is absolutely overpowered with ridiculous range and ridiculous damange to all types of units. And as lalush kindly pointed out when u go banshees and it doesnt pan out youre - oddly enough- not behind. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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