EPTThis is just my thoughts I haven't actually played around with this yet, but if a timing is there this would in effect also be a way to avoid (or at least not be forced to) having to build these "safety" phoenixes and can utilize those resources for example better harassing units. I think Void Rays are interesting in that it can be used to get some harassment done, deny bases, is a roach deterrent, and can bait zerg into mutas or hydras for your composition to rip apart.
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
This is just my thoughts I haven't actually played around with this yet, but if a timing is there this would in effect also be a way to avoid (or at least not be forced to) having to build these "safety" phoenixes and can utilize those resources for example better harassing units. I think Void Rays are interesting in that it can be used to get some harassment done, deny bases, is a roach deterrent, and can bait zerg into mutas or hydras for your composition to rip apart. | ||
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dipwood
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
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(XIL)Ruin
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
On maps with an inbase natural, you should not have any problem if you scout it, react by chronoing a zealots/adept/sentry(later), and keeping your wall up. On normal maps, the response is exactly the same, except you have to micro a bit better, and use photon overcharge well. Try and get a couple of pylons up in your natural mineral line and you save the nexus. Look out for ling drops a tiny bit later by having a pylon ready next to your nexi, with mcore sorta between everything. | ||
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Weltall
Italy83 Posts
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
On January 04 2016 00:41 Weltall wrote: How u defend with this build from a ling ravager all in off 2 base at 5:00 min? Even if you don't build a 3rd nexus, you have no units to defend such attack (pylons just get killed fast) Stargate oracle, use the oracles to snipe the ravagers.You can get 2 oracles with this build, by the time the attack hits at roughly 4:30 you should have 1 oracle out and 1 on the way | ||
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Beelzebub1
1005 Posts
Because I'm a bit lost on dealing with it, I like to go 3 base macro games vs Protoss but I guess I'm too shitty to make it work, should I be attacking with Ravagers when I see the Robotics? | ||
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Sweetness.751
United States225 Posts
On January 04 2016 03:52 Beelzebub1 wrote: What are you Protoss players finding deals with this handily? Because I'm a bit lost on dealing with it, I like to go 3 base macro games vs Protoss but I guess I'm too shitty to make it work, should I be attacking with Ravagers when I see the Robotics? Lurkers prove troublesome as always. However there is no hard counter to this unit comp, except maybe a surprise Broodlord transition. | ||
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b_unnies
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Payson
United States394 Posts
On January 04 2016 13:07 b_unnies wrote: One thing that I have trouble with is that I'm not really sure when to get the 1st stargate I feel it is very situational, but I prefer to get my Stargate before gates two and three just in case of early aggression from Zergs. I've been dealing with a lot going for a 4:30/5:00ish ravager timing with roaches and having the phoenixes lift the ravagers while your gateway units and pylons handle the roaches and lings. A 3:00/3:15ish Stargate is pretty reasonable with the gas you'll have after the first adept, Stalker, and MsC. I good player to watch who generally uses the Gate Gas Nexus opening into 3 Gate Stargate into his third would be State. He goes with this opener 9 out of 10 times on ladder with moderate success while getting his third up. He does go for his Stargate earlier, around 27/28 supply before his extra gates. I believe an early game SG allows you to scout the map quickly and deny overlord scouts so I have been preferring it over earlier gateways 2 & 3. | ||
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
On January 04 2016 13:07 b_unnies wrote: One thing that I have trouble with is that I'm not really sure when to get the 1st stargate It doesn't really matter in my opinion. Getting it before the gates is really good, and I would lean towards doing that against 3 hatch. Getting it after the gates in my opinion is still good, and I think the best option against 2 base speed, because you often need to wall off. Normally I usually get them sort of around the same time. This timing works on maps where you have to wall your natural, like ruins, ulrena etc. On January 04 2016 03:52 Beelzebub1 wrote: What are you Protoss players finding deals with this handily? Because I'm a bit lost on dealing with it, I like to go 3 base macro games vs Protoss but I guess I'm too shitty to make it work, should I be attacking with Ravagers when I see the Robotics? This is a strong macro style, so it isn't like it loses to one thing. Strong zerg play will do well against it, But of course, good ways to do better, is tech to hive quicker. If you stay on lair and don't hit a timing that kills me, you will usually lose the game. I don't think being aggressive with lurkers is good, unless it is a massive roach hydra lurker timing, but defensive lurkers are really strong and allow you to tech to hive. Ultra Queen Viper (if you can control it, it is hard) in my opinion is extremely strong and one of the things I struggle the most with. On January 04 2016 00:41 Weltall wrote: How u defend with this build from a ling ravager all in off 2 base at 5:00 min? Even if you don't build a 3rd nexus, you have no units to defend such attack (pylons just get killed fast) If it is off 2 bases, don't take a third and just add gates. I can usually hold those pushes with just 3 gates, but having 6 gates makes it very easy. Just build adepts, sentries, stalkers and lift up the ravagers with phoenix. Add extra pylons at your wall so they don't get unpowered. | ||
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Stallion
New Zealand67 Posts
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Nholan
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Of course you have to be sure to have room for adding them. | ||
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Jarlaxle1
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This build is good but I always suck when I cant do damages with the 5 phoenixes because he has good spore/overlord positioning and when he goes for ling pressure where phoenixes are useless... When I cant do damage I always fall behind because I dont know how to stop the zerg to full his bases and mass army. | ||
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
Most games versus zerg, protoss "falls behind", but if we take one good fight with smart positioning and tactics we even it out. | ||
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Jarlaxle1
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When I will be at home I will check if I have some replays. | ||
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Gunjam
18 Posts
I am at platinum now and trying to make this build work. I was never really good with phoenix and the extra apm required, but this build, and the matchup forces me to improve. I do seem to get swarmed quite a bit, and I am having trouble making the immortals consistently. However my question was if you could please upload some more replays, or refresh the old ones as all of the replays in your original post are not possible to download from spawningtool. Thanks | ||
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MCThiaz
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
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