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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
I guess it was a decent example of how to play, but I think most of that game just came down to the architecture of the third base on Derelict Watcher. Just overall not incredibly impressed by HerO's play in the late game, other than the last 3 storms of the game (which aren't even caught by the observer in the VOD). The article itself seems pretty detailed though. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Maybe protoss isn't as easy to play against terran as people keep saying. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On January 16 2014 23:06 DarkLordOlli wrote: How is being a base up and having an army that can take fights being dominated? Storming few units is up to Taeja's control mostly, not HerO's. HerO uses storms to safely retreat and reposition. If Taeja dodges them then that's good for him but the main purpose of those storms is never to get crucial hits in the first place, it's to allow him to safely retreat. Those three high templar wandering off was probably the biggest mistake he made in otherwise amazingly played game. Maybe protoss isn't as easy to play against terran as people keep saying. He was only up a base for a short time. I don't know how recently you watched the game, but HerO's storm control was pretty dismal for a while. He just missed storms or would move command his HTs into drops and then would have to use a storm to try and save them. By the way, that game was nowhere near perfect. TaeJa didn't start his +1 attack until 10:00 and he was still ahead in upgrades for the entire game. It is embarrassing to be behind on upgrades against a Terran. He also only made 2 observers and was lucky that TaeJa didn't try to just cloak his ghosts and kill his entire army earlier. HerO never replaced his sniped observer and just relied on storm flanks to manage to survive that portion of the game. I understand that HerO played well, but you guys are massively overstating how he played. Yes, it was pretty good. He had some nice storms at the end and did a decent job with his late game army control (nowhere near perfect though). He had his zelaots so far ahead of the rest of his army during engagements that TaeJa would just kite the Zealots and have vikings take pot shots at the colossi. There was also a very lucky instance where HerO blinked forward and completely missed every viking. He almost got all of his blink stalkers killed by TaeJa's bio, which would have left him open to an attack. TaeJa's ghost/viking control is god-like and he would've easily stomped over HerO's army now that it had no anti-air save a few storms. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
"It is embarrassing to be behind a terran in upgrades" is a simply silly statement that completely ignores how the game went up to the point where he's behind in upgrades. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
"It is embarrassing to be behind a terran in upgrades" is a simply silly statement that completely ignores how the game went up to the point where he's behind in upgrades. Not really. He had the chance several times to get ahead on upgrades. He just simply never put enough chronoboost into his upgrades to get ahead on them. Anyway, I'm not going to convince you that HerO didn't play immaculately. In my opinion, he only won because of the last 3 storms at the end of the game. One could make the argument that it takes a ton of skill to make it to that point against a player like TaeJa, but I just wasn't that impressed with his late game play. It seems TaeJa was playing sloppily at the end of the game and just wasn't paying attention to his army as closely as he should have. It's fine if you think that HerO played "perfectly," but his control was nowhere near perfect. I didn't see PartinG or Rain level storms and he just looked like he got a little lucky at the end of the game. All that really matters at the end is who wins, but I just don't think HerO got there in the cleanest way possible. It was not a domineering game where he made TaeJa look like a scrub, such as Dear did. It was not a creative game where he used mind games a-la sOs to make TaeJa look baffled, and he didn't have super crisp execution like PartinG or Rain to get an advantage. He had pretty good decision making in the mid game and had a nice defense of TaeJa's 2 base pressure, but I think going into the late game they were very even until the last 3 storms. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
I just explained to you why HerO was behind in upgrades. It was a decision to delay his upgrades in favor of a stronger army which he needed to take his third base safely so that he could THEN continue to upgrade his army and take an economic lead that he turned into a simple win at the end with precise storm flanks. It was a great game. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
Thank you, SC2John! | ||
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Defenestrator
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
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Gemini_19
United States1246 Posts
On January 17 2014 00:35 DarkLordOlli wrote: You remember what happened to Rain, do you? I just explained to you why HerO was behind in upgrades. It was a decision to delay his upgrades in favor of a stronger army which he needed to take his third base safely so that he could THEN continue to upgrade his army and take an economic lead that he turned into a simple win at the end with precise storm flanks. It was a great game. Don't worry about him Olli, just another terran that can't see a good game in front of them because of how mad they are about storm. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On January 17 2014 02:53 Gemini_19 wrote: Don't worry about him Olli, just another terran that can't see a good game in front of them because of how mad they are about storm. The amount of blind QQ from Terrans right now has made me actually stop watching SC2 for the first time since release  | ||
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Kon-Tiki
United States402 Posts
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation400 Posts
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Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
On January 17 2014 02:53 Gemini_19 wrote: Don't worry about him Olli, just another terran that can't see a good game in front of them because of how mad they are about storm. The last storms were actually sooooooo much worse then you think, the observer missed half of them | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On January 17 2014 02:53 Gemini_19 wrote: Don't worry about him Olli, just another terran that can't see a good game in front of them because of how mad they are about storm. Right... I quit the game several months ago. I enjoy watching some SC2 games because they are fun. That game was not that good and I would consider it highly overrated even. There was no tension, the observer literally missed the entire last 30 seconds of the game (where TaeJa actually loses because of flanking templars) and there just wasn't that much back and forth action. I'm not even going to get into the argument about "blind Terran QQ." You guys are being ridiculous if you think Terrans are just blindly QQing and that SC2 is fun to watch anymore. I don't understand why if I say that HerO's play wasn't that amazing that game and he won because of 3 storms, not like that's even an exaggeration, you guys get all upset and then accuse me of blindly QQing. I think you Protoss players are getting so insecure that if we even say something so much as that we don't enjoy watching Protoss matchups or think that a Protoss player didn't play as well as everyone thinks he did, we're automatically QQing. I never even once said how I feel about the matchup. No reason to be so abrasive. | ||
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Gemini_19
United States1246 Posts
On January 17 2014 05:14 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: Right... I quit the game several months ago. I enjoy watching some SC2 games because they are fun. That game was not that good and I would consider it highly overrated even. There was no tension, the observer literally missed the entire last 30 seconds of the game (where TaeJa actually loses because of flanking templars) and there just wasn't that much back and forth action. I'm not even going to get into the argument about "blind Terran QQ." You guys are being ridiculous if you think Terrans are just blindly QQing and that SC2 is fun to watch anymore. I don't understand why if I say that HerO's play wasn't that amazing that game and he won because of 3 storms, not like that's even an exaggeration, you guys get all upset and then accuse me of blindly QQing. I think you Protoss players are getting so insecure that if we even say something so much as that we don't enjoy watching Protoss matchups or think that a Protoss player didn't play as well as everyone thinks he did, we're automatically QQing. I never even once said how I feel about the matchup. No reason to be so abrasive. Well we're just saying that even though there is an entire article and multiple posts from Olli explaining why he won that game, you still say he only won because of the storms at the end. Sure that's why the game ended at the exact moment that it did, but it wasn't the whole reason why he won the game. This game was textbook perfect play from HerO. | ||
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Gemini_19
United States1246 Posts
On January 17 2014 04:03 RandomPlayer wrote: a review of a year long match, is it a big joke I dont understand? promo thing noone else can see? This game was played only a little over a month ago. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
Well we're just saying that even though there is an entire article and multiple posts from Olli explaining why he won that game, you still say he only won because of the storms at the end. Great, Olli has explained why he didn't die. If you read what I wrote, you'd know that he was in fact, behind at that point in the game. He had his army cornered at his third, blanketed by EMPs, and was in an incredibly shitty position. He managed to get 3 storms off that killed > 50 supply of TaeJa's army, putting him ahead. As soon as TaeJa noticed how much of his army got stormed, he GG'd. And then there's also the part where you say it was perfect play from HerO, when I've already demonstrated multiple times that it was not even close to perfect play. His storms were beyond subpar save the last 3 storms of the game, and his late game army control was pretty lackluster. He managed to make up for it with those last 3 amazing flank storms, but really HerO's late game control, upgrading (even when he had his upgrades going in the late game he continually forgot to chronoboost them which is a big deal considering he was behind on his 3-3 which should, as I said, NEVER happen). Claiming that was perfect play is not only diminishing what truly perfect play is, it's being blind to how he really played. The mid game was basically inconsequential on how the game played out in the end. Even though at the very end of the game TaeJa had a bigger army and was poised to take a 4th and kill HerO's army, those last few storms ended it right then and there. Without those storms (if the Templar had been in HerO's main army) HerO would have died. End of story. But that didn't happen, so it doesn't really matter. Whatever though, this is just a waste of my time to argue with you guys since we're going to always disagree on the matter. | ||
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