EPTThe HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 293
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Olli
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Teoita
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Alej wrote a guide on it a long time ago too. It's pretty outdated, but maybe you can get some ideas: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/299322-pvt-got-balls-15-nex-into-speed-prism-colo | ||
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Don Jimbo
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On September 12 2014 00:55 SatedSC2 wrote: 2 base Carrier is totally legit. Pigbaby just forgot to channel his inner MC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/363821-mc-vs-kas-2-base-carrier-allin-pvt =P To be honest, after watching VODs of puCK dropping Colossi on people, I'm thinking that might be the better option. I can't find a build order for doing it in HotS but it shouldn't be too hard to adjust. I just want a fun build that can harass without having to open Dark Templar or the even easier to shut down Oracle... MC versus jjakki. The game starts at 40:00. | ||
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Xanatoss
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On September 11 2014 06:44 Teoita wrote: Seriously if you analyze Parting's build, it's a fucking thing of beauty. It's way, way more refined than Zest's. Could only glance over his games so far. Are there other major differences except for the delayed gates 2&3 in favour of continuous stalker production? | ||
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Teoita
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The huge difference between him and Zest is how they play out the game. Zest goes for a 3base allin with 8gates, 50 probes, noupgrades and 3 colossi literally every game he opens blink before robo. Parting can do that (although he prefers to saturate his third base), but he also likes to play longer games off of it and always starts a forge after his third and before his second set of gates. He used basically an identical timing to set up his storm transition vs innovation on deadwing. Also he has at least 4 more midgame builds he can use off the same opener (2 dt builds, blink allin, as well as 2base double forge colo/blink) to mix it up. Zest sometimes does a half arsed 4gate blink pressure but i hate it because imo it's not strong enough to kill people, but the transition is insanely delayed (robo and third base start at like 9 minutes). I swear i'll have more on this written in a while, be patient  | ||
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On September 12 2014 08:05 Teoita wrote: Yeah but he hasn't done that build since roughly may/april. He almost always does the light poke/warp prism build now, at least in his last ~20 televised matches. He did the build I'm talking about very recently in gsl before being eliminated, at the very least once. He also did this build in the season 2, like you've mentioned. Here's the game I saw: (he blew this game big time...) | ||
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DinoMight
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I went Blink into Colossus and still got my ass handed to me by marauder/widow mine drops. | ||
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Xanatoss
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I was comparing the games of Parting to Zest vs Yoda from IEM Toronto (King Sejong), where Zest played a very similar build. Hence the question. I agree that the pre-saturation collossus/blink allin is utter crap and a waste of this beautiful opening. And I noticed the flexibility of followups aswell, especially loved the dt gimmick on overgrowth ^_^ Unfortunately I am no where near a point on ladder where I play repeatedly against the same opponents so I cant make that much use of build-disguise. | ||
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Teoita
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Or you can just go full protoss, give no fucks and make dt's anyway. That works too. On September 12 2014 14:13 DinoMight wrote: How the fuck do you take a 3rd / defend drops on Kapallena? I went Blink into Colossus and still got my ass handed to me by marauder/widow mine drops. Catallena is kind of a bitch for defending, especially in some positions, but it should still be playable. It just sounds like your positioning and obs coverage good enough. | ||
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Xanatoss
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My consideration now is to go for a 12 gate instead of 13, to gain an additional edge in a phoenix mirror (by starting up the production a bit sooner) and be safer against proxys and warpgate rushes. Any thoughts about this? | ||
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Teoita
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If you want to have an advantage in stargate mirrors, i'd recommend simply going stargate right as the cyber core starts. | ||
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