The HotS Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 132

On December 03 2013 04:39 zasg wrote:


Are there VOD's for it? I tried t o find the WCG VOD's yesterday and I couldn't find them

On December 09 2013 08:29 Sefer wrote:
I've been having difficulty playing against and turtling Sky Terran. Mass Ravens, Vikings, and a few Banshees, with some Thors and Tanks at home. I just played a Terran, who had poor macro even, on Frost, where I mined 7.5 bases and he mined at his nearest 4, yet no matter what I through at him his army never died, including nearly fungaling it to death (nearly) with tons of corrupters and mutas that were not clumped, but not terribly spread out.

Apart from some timing attack that hit before they amass a solid air army, what can a Zerg do composition-wise in Late game to even compete with Terran air? I don't even need a counter, just something that will at least do some damage instead of just melting.

On December 09 2013 11:38 A_Scarecrow wrote:
if I reach late game against mech I crush it with tech switches tbh. I went sh hydra viper lost my hydra and some sh during the big battle then went mass muta took out all his expos then went 10 ultras and killed the thors. ravens are terrible against mutas if u micro.
if they turtle on 2 bases with just ravens then mass expand and mass muta. everytime seeker missle just run away.

On December 10 2013 05:45 zasg wrote:
I would agree, the best way against mech is tech switches. Not small switches but like 120 supply switches, throw 120 supply roaches at them early, then do a HUGE muta switch, then go into massive swarmhosts/broods. Just keep switching it up. They are trying to build the perfect army composition to kill what you have, if you switch it can screw them. Very important however, is to ensure you hit them AS they are moving out, if you hit them on your half of the map you will not have time to make the transition and then you die, this in my mind is what is wrong with maps like yeonsu, they can mech and get to your bases VERY fast and it makes tech transitions very hard.

On December 10 2013 08:53 NoBuildOrder wrote:
Well , I managed to get back to diamond , i think i have a decent to pretty good macro ( gm most of games in ggTracker ) , i rarely miss injects my mechanics are good etc.. BUT ! i think i dont engage armys so good especially in ZvT and i have much more units lost than i should , even if i manage to win the game out macroing my oppoments counter attacking etc etc.
The other thing is the SCOUTING .. it's damn hard some times , or pylon finding
I got around 220 apm , unspent resourses not that high , and i love Scarlet's BO.
I m using for ZvP the 4.30 1st gas in speed, 6:00 second gas etc etc.... hydra plus muta. i just love this ! (Scarlet vs SOS game 1 )
In ZvT i use 15 hatch gasless into double gas @ 6:00 or 15 hatch 16 pool 17 gas vs reaper expands.
In ZvZ i wanna play mutas.. I don't like the roach play.. I dont wanna uses roaches in zvp either cause you can hold Timings with upgraded lings good creepspread and deny pylons !

Can anyone help me improve? Any master giving some advises wanna watch some replays maybe play some games with me to check on me ? I m aiming for masters this season , any help would be appreciated VERY much !

btw when i say ( gm most of games in ggTracker ) , i dont feel my macro is at gm levels , i just think it's the the biggest issue right know , i m maybe wrong , plz feel free to correct me ! :D

i m sending some replays , to check on me ! plz tell me my bad habbits etc , what to improve ! i want to get to masters but not by cheesing , i want to become better , learn the game improve my macro etc etc .. here you are ! thx in advance !

http://drop.sc/367539
http://drop.sc/367534
http://drop.sc/367538
http://drop.sc/367537
http://drop.sc/367533
http://drop.sc/367532
http://drop.sc/367531

Thx again guys!

One last thing, what i need to do to practice and improve?

On December 10 2013 17:08 zasg wrote:


First replay: One thing I notice pretty quickly in this match is @ 36 drones you stop and start making a lot of lings when you see the hellions coming out (?). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, however, you already had a spine crawler building and a queen at the ramp to defend. You end up buiilding 52 lings with zero drones against normal hellion pressure. That could have been 25 drones, now if you had only made drones you possibly would have taken damage. What I would recommend is sure build 10--20 zerglings but then don't try and engage the hellions, stick by your queen and spine crawler, play defensive and keep droning into your natural, make a few more queens if you are worried. If you had stopped after your first 10 lings, built say 15 drones and then built some more lings, you would have been at the same position as you were @ 930 but with way more drones. Honestly, to be at 37 drones at 930 is pretty much GG already, @ 930-10 minutes you should be at 2 base saturation at a bare minimum. The other big thing in this match was the late Bling nest. I know some of the pro's will delay it as long as possible to be economical and you CAN, but it is a risk. Personally I will get +1/+1 going, if I feel safe then lair and then bnest as soon as I hit 50 gas. If you had the bnest up when his push came you would have CRUSHED it and been droning like a madman, not much else to say after this point. Pure ling against hellions/marine/medivac =gg for you.

TLDR; drone harder earlier and get an earlier bnest.

Second replay: 52 supply @ 7 minutes you built no overlord for 1:30. That is a long time to be supply blocked. Because of that the hellions cancel your third, you had everything set up nicely to build 3-5 roaches and defend it easy, but nope supply blocked ><. I am guessing you were planning on doing a roach 1/1 timing in this game like soulkey does, I love this build and use it a lot and it is very strong, however because of your block it was massively delayed. Similar problem with under droning, you built eleven roachs, to defend and against some hellions, you only needed about 5, could have been 6 drones. Honestly this game was almost over when he canceled your third for no reason, it took you way to long to reclaim it even when you had tons of roaches.

TLDR; drone harder, don't get supply blocked and if you make units, do something with them.

Third replay: You did a lot better this time with droning, at 8 minutes you were over 40. This is more then 930 at your last two games. Losing the third sux, but it wasn't a major, he had to go 2 CC to do it, just make a new third. I am not 100% sure why you did the Bling attack, did you feel you had to? I personally would have retaken my third and redroned. Your attack wasn't bad, the control was lacking tho, you send all the banelings one way at the CC and the everything runs away. There are two ways to control this better, one; ctrl right click your banelings and move command to the opposite side of the CC that they are walkking, this will force them to split in half. Alternately box the first half and send them one way and move the others the other way. Another big supply block when you wanted mutas. Remember, if you are about to make something really important for a timing (roaches/mutas/whatever) check your supply well ahead of time! Ultimately you were behind after the bling attack, you were like 15 drones down, it was catch up. Baneling landmine was cool, however, remember you only need to blow up 2 to get kills, not five. Grab 2 do it and leave the others! The 'battle' was kinda bad, you managed to (accidentally) get all the widow mines to pop, great!, however your baneling flank came early and ran into a cavern and got nuked, gotta bring your lings in so they take hits and then let the banes in.

TLDR; droned better, split the bning direction to go both ways on a CC.


Fourth game: That cannon rush never should have happened. You defended the first part really good, and then left a pylon sitting there asking for a cannon. Queen popped and you ignored it...never risk it, go and kill it. You built a ton of lings to counter, thing is, you know he has a forge, he WILL be walled before you get there, no doubt. Well, unless he is terrible, just build the drones. No point in commenting past there, 11 minutes 30 drones, gg.

Fifth game: Nothing major to comment on untill he attacks your fourth. One little thing I will comment is your lings. What is the point of the lings with linghydra? It is to soak the zealot hits, if the zealots get to your hydras its GG. You ran your lings past the zealots and attacked sentries in the back (not a terrible idea) however the FF still landed and the zealots got to have fun on your hydras. Wasn't terrible tho, you managed it pretty well. Attacking, in my personal opinion, when you attack with ground+muta, go for the main with your mutas and third with your ground. They will almost always have atleast 1 cannon at the third (in this case 3) they may have 0 at their main. Go for the main, bounce around with mutas killing stuff, it will force his army their and you can easy deny third!

Okay, getting tired not gonna watch the other two, someone else can.

Honestly, I think the biggest thing to focus on is your droning. Your SQ looks very good, but that is mainly because you are under droned, it is a fake SQ. I had a similar problem about 3 months ago, where I felt like I was macroing well but my supply was well under the opponnent. One of the harder things to learn, is when to build units (as zerg), but harder then that is learning when you can squeeze extra drones in. Make an aim for yourself that you will never lose because you didn't have enough drones. I ended up telling myself I will drone myself to death, and it worked, I had games where i was at 80 drones very fast and ended up monstering over terran because I just had that much more supply. Focus on getting as many drones out as possible. On that note, when you are on two bases and your opponent is outside your door with hellions you can keep droning, just send them to your main/nat and maynard them across when it is safe.

Hope this helps and don't take it personally I make a lot of the mistakes I am critiquing you on, it actually is a good reminder for myself.

On December 10 2013 10:03 SoSexy wrote:
How do you punish a super fast 3rd nexus?

This protoss didn't even scout AT ALL, he just went double nexus, I was triple expanding but decided to cancel 3rd hatchery and punish him, hit him with speedlings/roaches at around 10 minutes but he was super walled off with some voidrays. Should I play the macro game? at 11 minutes he had like 72 probes o.o

On December 11 2013 00:32 Destruktor wrote:
Is it viable to take third base around 5:30 against 1 gate expand into 4 gate push? or it's autoloose.

Because I take my third when I see my oponent expands, but at this moment I don't know if he's going to 4 gateme after he expands.


Thanks in advance.

On December 08 2013 07:46 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
You guys would not believe how long I've been trying to find a guide or something out there that tells me this. I think I've spent 12-24 hours on the internet trying to find SOMETHING that covers this very basic but extremely important aspect of ZvZ. It's completely retarded.
So... what are the proper techniques to use when microing ling/bling armies in ZvZ? Is it just a "fuck the hotkeys" system where you box everything when splitting off lings to fight banelings? Do you order the zergling control group to attack a baneling but shift-click the leading two lings out of the selection, then move the control group back? Seriously, it's retarded how it seems that not one single person has ever talked about this stuff.