The HotS Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 120

On September 26 2013 23:05 DilemaH wrote:


I love this question: you say your timings and your enemy timings so I know exactly your problem. I think you're losing to a +1/+1 2 base ~10:00, not standard 3cc +1/+1 pressure at around 11:30ish. You're doing everything right, well maybe not because youre still losing . You want to sacrifice your overlord intot their main + a few lings at the front door to scout at around 6:00 - 7:00. If you see a 3rd cc, youre safe. If you see 2 extra rax (3 in total by 6:00), gget ready to hold a 1/1 all in/aggression. If you see a fast starport, get ready for drops/banshees and make a spore per base. the fast armory/starport can be indicative of this 10:00 1/1 2 base timing. To hold this, I go ling/bane/roach, getting 1/1 if it will finish in time for the all in/ a bit after.
But if you see 3cc dont overdrone. A smart terran will dive your third if you overdrone, so you need a few speedlings to pressure the hellions off creep. If he loses the hellions before 12:00Ish, deny his third. So there, get some drones, and get quite a few lings, enough to scare him off your creep.
4 queen vs reaper is a bit greedy. If you scout reaper, consider going for that fast speed and pull off drones from gas at speed. If you skip speed vs someone who opens reapers, the 6 reaper + 2 hellion force is scary because of the lack of speed. If they skip reapers just go for that 4 queen opener with even a faster than 6:00 3rd base.


Ive answered this a lot. Defend your third with roach+spore+some banes, at around 130-150ish supply, get around 7 infestors (more or less) and make the rest hydras. Engage in chokepoints and go for a 200/200 push against him, most likely with your 2/2. He cant engage you in chokes because he will get less SA (surface area) and his units will clump up, perfect for your infestors. Have your roaches tank for the hydras as the hydras kill shit. Split your hydras if you have enough room to deny baneling hits. 3 things should happen:
1. You kill his army. Go finish the game, but beware because he can remax quickly, so still walk in chokes (if possible).
2. You kill his ground army. Go kill as many bases as you can with the remaiig roaches, burrow infestors back home and remax your army.
3. You lose the engagements because of lack of good fungals and he connects with banelings. You will usualy lose the game.

On September 25 2013 17:13 TAMinator wrote:
is there a replay of someone holding 10p bane when going hatch gas pool? or is that not possible to hold theoreticaly?

On September 28 2013 01:26 TAMinator wrote:

Anybody?

On September 28 2013 01:26 TAMinator wrote:

Anybody?

On September 28 2013 04:59 Decendos wrote:


i dont know exactly who did it and if it was hatch gas pool or just hatch pool but i remember some very high level korean ZvZ where somebody stopped it. i think it was leenock? basically you need to create choke points for your queens or put them between mineral patches and split your drones into packs of 1 or at max 2 and i think he then started to transfer packs of 4 or so drones to his natural.

if i find it i edit vod later on. but theoretically yes its possible

On September 30 2013 00:37 learning88 wrote:
What is the correct response to a Gate Expand -> 4 Gate Zealot pressure against your 3rd?

I'm not sure if I got my timings right but the pressure should be coming at like 7 min? I think I've read that there's 2 ways to respond:
1. Play out the normal 3 Hatch build but take double gas at 5:20 instead of 6 min and a Roach Warren when the gases finish OR
2. Take gas early like 17/18, get ling speed and pull drones off gas. Then you take your 3rd at like 7:20-ish.

I'm actually not sure about the 2nd scenario but I remember reading something like that.

Also, if P goes Gate Expand -> 3 Gate 1 Stargate, should I expect pressure from them? I've watched some games by Naniwa and it seems if he opens this, he doesn't really do any attack and plays it out like a FFE...but I could be wrong.

On October 02 2013 14:20 Tritone wrote:
I have a lot of trouble when Protoss pylon blocks my natural and/or third. Even when I go for a 15 pool before hatchery, I usually end up way delayed. Any advice?

On October 02 2013 16:29 Decendos wrote:


dont panic, let the drone you send down attack the pylon, as soon as pool finishes build 4 lings and 1 queen + attack pylon with 4 lings. once pylon is killed, take your natural, instantly build your 2nd queen and walk to natural with your first queen after injecting. 24 supply overlord, 24 supply 3rd base. from there on play a standard game. a protoss that pylon blocks will have 100 minerals less = delayed nexus or gate.

On October 02 2013 17:48 RaiZ wrote:

I've always wondered why it makes a disadvantage for the protoss (or so I heard) when going for double pylons' block (especially when he could always cancel the 2nd pylon at the last time while delaying the most he could with the probe first).
The way I see the game is that it doesn't stop the protoss to make more and more probes while it takes up to 2 larvaes on lings instead of drones. From my point of view, I fail to understand why the zerg isn't late with all this stuff going on.

Have there been any research as to why it is not recommended for the protoss to block both expands ?

I'm asking this because, even though I've been master since the beginning of WoL, I've always failed to understand this ZvP's matchup. It didn't matter if I was losing or winning, I just couldn't understand wtf is going on everytime I'm putting up a fight against a timing push or a deathball /end rant.

Peace.

On October 03 2013 15:15 TRaFFiC wrote:
Hey all.

I've been using hyun's fast hive for viper build in the OP. It's essentially a roach/hydra comp with 3-4 vipers mixed in to pull the colis. Trying to follow the timings as precisely as possible.

Anyway, I've been running into problems vs storm builds. Protoss is sitting on 3 bases with mass voidray/storm and I can't kill them. What's the best follow up? Broodlords? Mutas? What about upgrades?

Thanks in advance ;d

On October 03 2013 20:47 DilemaH wrote:

The -Hyun- style hydroach viper is very close to an all in, just because of how little bases you can have to make it work effectively (3) and how fast you tech. If you do this, they should just have colossus, while being ready to secure their 3rd. If they scout you and see the fast hive, they'll probably know what's up and go for Templar. I don't know what to do in this position, maybe broodlords if they didn't open Stargate but idk.
There really isn't much of a followup if you do this style. If you go 4 base later viper you can macro your way out. Check out blade5555's second overview of HoTS Zerg specifically the section with late game Protoss.