EPT[G] ~8% faster gas mining - Page 2
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Timetwister22
United States538 Posts
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torm
Canada274 Posts
On October 28 2012 16:20 fezvez wrote: I am sorry, but what is misleading here? On entombed valley, your opponent can actually mine 8.1% more gas if you aren't careful. I am sorry, but what isn't misleading here? You aren't mining any % more gas anywhere. You are mining a percentage LESS gas in certain locations. It's misleading because it implies there is a way to mine 8% MORE gas than you might otherwise be able to, when that's really not the case at all. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
Would it be smart for a zerg with 1 bad gasmine in his main to place a macro hatch in such a way that they can pull the 3 ineffiicent drones from the main and transfer to the macro hatch with the goal to mine gas from that mine efficiently? | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
I know that I used to always construct the more efficient geyser first in SC2 because I figured this was probably the case, I just didn't bother going through with the work to prove it..... I'm glad someone did though, maybe it'll force Blizzard to make a change, or at least force mapmakers to change how they place the geysers. | ||
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ShinigamiFlameHaze
United States33 Posts
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
I've always been sort of aware of this but hadn't put much thought into it. I knew that the inside geyser on metalopolis was further away, and this started an automatic involuntary tendency for me to always take the outside geyser first on every map. I noticed on condemned ridge that one of the geysers is god awful. I generally stop thinking about that by the time I would take gas in my natural. Very thorough analysis. | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On October 28 2012 16:28 torm wrote: I am sorry, but what isn't misleading here? You aren't mining any % more gas anywhere. You are mining a percentage LESS gas in certain locations. It's misleading because it implies there is a way to mine 8% MORE gas than you might otherwise be able to, when that's really not the case at all. I guess a good 'easy' title would be: Vespene imbalance in maps - up to 8%. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Maasked
United States567 Posts
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
On October 28 2012 16:28 torm wrote: I am sorry, but what isn't misleading here? You aren't mining any % more gas anywhere. You are mining a percentage LESS gas in certain locations. It's misleading because it implies there is a way to mine 8% MORE gas than you might otherwise be able to, when that's really not the case at all. Well, it depends on what you consider accurate or not. When I play on Entombed Valley and I spawn bottom right, half the time, I'll take the "good" vespene geyser first, and half the time, I'll take the "bad" vespene geyser first. So, half the time, I'll be mining gas 8% faster when compared to the other situation, all other things being equal, during the time I'm on one gas. I totally agree with your sentence : it implies there is a way to mine 8% MORE gas than you might otherwise be able to, when that's really not the case at all. But I'd like to point out that the OP's title is ~8% faster gas mining and not ~8% more gas mining | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
On October 28 2012 16:46 fezvez wrote: Well, it depends on what you consider accurate or not. When I play on Entombed Valley and I spawn bottom right, half the time, I'll take the "good" vespene geyser first, and half the time, I'll take the "bad" vespene geyser first. So, half the time, I'll be mining gas 8% faster, all other things being equal, during the time I'm on one gas. I totally agree with your sentence : But I'd like to point out that the OP's title is and not I agree, obviously you can't mine more overall. You mine more OVER A FIXED AMOUNT OF TIME. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
If 1 Colossus extra is all you need to win in PvP, then spawning positions could completely determine the outcome of the game. You might even have a variance of up to 2 minutes with some cheese builds in some spawning positions than others. This is the most concerning in mirror matchups though, where getting tech or units slightly earlier will make a huge difference. It would be funny seeing progamers bash their heads over builds not knowing why in some cases they had their psi-storm in time, and other times they didn't. Especially when they are trying to refine their builds down to the second. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On October 28 2012 16:46 Chriscras wrote: SPOTLIGHT THIS POST <3 Yeah. This is an awesome thread. Great job Orek (again!) and I hope Blizzard catches on to it. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10383 Posts
Very awesome, thanks for showing! must have taken looots of time | ||
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MasterCynical
505 Posts
11 o’clock = (2500/1291)+(2500/1377) = 225.121 [gas/sec] 7 o’clock = (2500/1291)+(2500/1320) = 229.825 [gas/sec] shouldn't it be this? 11 o’clock = (2500/1291)+(2500/1377) = 3.752 [gas/sec] 7 o’clock = (2500/1291)+(2500/1320) = 3.830 [gas/sec] according to your data, the worst time of 1395 secs will give 107.5 gas/min while the best time 1291 will give 116.2 gas/min over a 10 min period, it will be a difference of 87. since all bases have at least one 1291 gas, this will be the worst difference. Or if you look at zerg, where gas starts at 6:00 and you'll need to defend a toss timing at around 9-11, it will only be about 40ish gas you're missing out on. I think the difference is negligible enough to not make any significant differences compared to differences of skill level. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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ZXRP
South Africa114 Posts
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