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mGGNoRe
Australia124 Posts
On September 21 2014 15:05 sherifusa1988 wrote: Awesome, thx a lot mGGNoRe, but is it ok to build spine and spore crawlers in zerg step 1? Spores and Spines are buildings not units. They also only cost minerals so Im 99% sure they are fine to build in step 1. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I suggest mixing it up for your battle units. Experiment with different combinations and learn about the strengths weaknesses and synergies of your race. | ||
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mGGNoRe
Australia124 Posts
On September 22 2014 09:30 JaKaTaK wrote: don't be fooled, you are practicing your macro, micro, and multitasking mechanics by doing all-ins. What you are not practicing is the late game, or "macro strategy". There is a common misconception that "macro" means playing long games and has no other definition. Macro mechanics is the pressing of buttons to make stuff, which happens in every game. I suggest mixing it up for your battle units. Experiment with different combinations and learn about the strengths weaknesses and synergies of your race. Eventhough I've finished the Staircase I had so many crazy games on the early steps. I had one game where I attemped to push with spores/spines against a protoss third base, using the zerglings as cover. Another where I attempted to mass queen/spine drop on step 3. It really got me to think about the game differently. So I totally agree with experimenting as much as possible on each step. It's not only fun but you learn a lot about the game as you do it. Thanks jakatak! | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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sherifusa1988
Egypt6 Posts
but which one is correct? the one on the spreadsheet? or the one on the forums? am I allowed to "mine gas", or "no gas but control units as to the best of my ability"? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Garsecg
United States129 Posts
@garsecg that's awesome! any good games of the slow ling only w/ micro I could use for the next video? Here's a few of my best, let me know if you want me to go through some more. EDIT: I know they say step 1, but I am very bad at step 1 and habitually look at where my army is. I'm working on it! Nevertheless, these should help. ZvZ -- http://ggtracker.com/matches/5453771 Notes: I did really well this game. It's a loss, but I hit my goal in every category (masters) and maxed out on slow lings a few times. A loss, but there were times where I had A LOT of lings. ZvT -- http://ggtracker.com/matches/5453689 Notes : I won this game by turtling up, massing a bunch of lings, then overtwhelming the Terran rush. Satisfying win, and out of all my games, I think the last battle where I overwhelm him would make a good clip. I'll post some more when I have some that I think are high quality -- let me know if you have any feedback RE what you're looking for Also... if you're wondering why the name of my guy is Quetzal in the replays.... I made my account here before double-checking I had a name change. As such, my guy on ladder atm is Quetzal. Here's a link to my profile if you ever want to browse. I'm labeling all of the replays by the step, so it should be obvious RE the tracker when I can move up and start labeling S2 (step 2) and so forth: http://ggtracker.com/players/354064/Quetzal FINAL EDIT: Just finished step 2 on the ladder, played 25 games in total. The last 5 are strictly slow ling w/ micro, and the last one should be pretty good for highlights. My creep spread wasn't as good as in other games, but I focused much more on ling production instead of worrying about making extra queens. Link: http://ggtracker.com/matches/5458965 Hope some of these help! | ||
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ThunderChild.EU
France5 Posts
Many thanks to JaKaTaK!! However, I'm a bit confused on how to use the Reference Spreadsheet. Let's assume I'd like to shoot for Diamond as my League Goal, playing Protoss. The Protoss Benchmarks tell me I have to meet a Diamond's Saturation Speed and Spending Skill four out of five games in a row. So far so good. However, there is a column labeled "Chronoboost" and I haven't found any hint on the Spreadsheet or at GGtracker.com which level of "Chronoboost and Energy Max-out" I have to meet. So what am I supposed to do with this column? And what about supply blocks? I can't find any hint at GGtracker.com that supply blocks are counted within my replays. Is there no such function? The german version of the Spreedsheat is another source of confusion. There are different columns, for example # of hard supply blocks and there's a benchmark key named Energy mentioned in the lower left corner, which doesn't show up in the benchmark table. Any help on these questions would be much appreciated! Best regards, ThunderChild Edit: typo | ||
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YoTcA
Germany151 Posts
So I would advice you to ignore it, if your English is advanced enough to understand the English version. | ||
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ThunderChild.EU
France5 Posts
Anyone else who could enlighten me? Edit: I took some time and searched through the last 20 pages of this thread. It seems to turn out that supply blocks can't be measured by the raw replay data. However I found this: On June 15 2013 04:52 JaKaTaK wrote: Hooray for questions! :D I'm really digging this discussion. [...] 2. Injects and supply blocks are encompassed in Spending Skill and Saturation Speed (as you recently learned). If you get supply blocked or larva blocked, you will likely miss your Spending or Saturation benchmarks. If you are missing one of these benchmarks, its probably because of one of those factors. [...] This gives me the impression that I don't have to check for supply blocks since they indirectly influence my Spending Skill and Saturation Speed. Is that correct? In any case I would really like to suggest that such an information would be posted on the FAQs at GGtracker.com. This topic was adressed several times throughout this thread, I believe there are some people out there who would appreciate this additional piece of information. At any rate, this is a really cool project and a total joyride for me, laddering with the staircase! ( And does anybody has some answers to the other questions in my previous post, please? :-) ) | ||
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ThunderChild.EU
France5 Posts
I'd like to share this printable version of the spreadsheet that I created today: Printable TheStairCase Spreadsheet (PDF) If you have any feedback on this one, just post here and I'll be happy to make improvements if need be. | ||
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jarosan
2 Posts
Thanks Jak for the StairCase. It really helps break things down to smaller pieces and concentrate on them. I'm having a bit of a problem however. I'm on Step 3 (mine gas, only given units) with protoss. I play against Very Hard AI. I constantly have good spending and saturation benchmarks (from platinum to master), but i still cannot beat AI. I send mass zealots, but they get crushed by the more technical enemy army. Should i be worried? The way you write in the StairCase description is that winning should not be the main goal. OK. It's not. But somehow i feel, that I'm too concentrated on spending and saturation. I try to go for early pushes, sometimes it workers out and i deny his third, but then the enemy usually shrugs off my army. I mean it's still possible to play Step 3 the same way as Step 1 just with mining gas, doing upgrades and stuff and still making all benchmarks. I feel that there is a flaw in this logic. Should i be winning my matches against Very Hard AI before moving to Step 4? Thanks  PS. I'm playing WoL. Do you have an older version of Given Units for WoL? There is no MsC  | ||
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BurningRanger
Germany303 Posts
On October 17 2014 16:22 jarosan wrote: Hi, Thanks Jak for the StairCase. It really helps break things down to smaller pieces and concentrate on them. I'm having a bit of a problem however. I'm on Step 3 (mine gas, only given units) with protoss. I play against Very Hard AI. I constantly have good spending and saturation benchmarks (from platinum to master), but i still cannot beat AI. I send mass zealots, but they get crushed by the more technical enemy army. Should i be worried? The way you write in the StairCase description is that winning should not be the main goal. OK. It's not. But somehow i feel, that I'm too concentrated on spending and saturation. I try to go for early pushes, sometimes it workers out and i deny his third, but then the enemy usually shrugs off my army. I mean it's still possible to play Step 3 the same way as Step 1 just with mining gas, doing upgrades and stuff and still making all benchmarks. I feel that there is a flaw in this logic. Should i be winning my matches against Very Hard AI before moving to Step 4? Thanks PS. I'm playing WoL. Do you have an older version of Given Units for WoL? There is no MsC I think I can answer these as well. As long as you're meeting your League goals in Spending Skill and Base Saturation, you're doing fine. Winning and losing is irrelevant. You don't want to win. You want to get better. This is especially true for the lower steps. The limitation on few unit types is there for you to concentrate on spending resources instead of wasting time on thinking about what units to make. You'll eventually get to the point, where you are allowed to build high tech units too. The point is: by that time you'll still be able to spend all your resources. So, in short: No, you don't need to win against Very Hard AI before moving to the next step. You just need to meet your League goals. Oh and... just leave the MsC out in WoL. There is no replacement for that unit. | ||
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jarosan
2 Posts
What I notice in my games it that I don't scout and harass enough. It's possible to do some Warp Prism drops and better scouting with Observers. Doing this better I could probably beat Very Hard AI with just Chargelots. It's probably easier to learn how to do this (scout, harass) on Step 3, before I move to more units. However since I'm passing all benchmarks I can already move to the next step So I thought that maybe somebody can post from his own experience with StairCase his personal benchmarks like: Step 3 - beat Very Hard AI Step 4 - beat Elite AI etc. Thanks again | ||
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TedBurtle
Belarus201 Posts
On October 17 2014 17:54 jarosan wrote: Thanks for your reply BurningRanger. What I notice in my games it that I don't scout and harass enough. It's possible to do some Warp Prism drops and better scouting with Observers. Doing this better I could probably beat Very Hard AI with just Chargelots. It's probably easier to learn how to do this (scout, harass) on Step 3, before I move to more units. However since I'm passing all benchmarks I can already move to the next step So I thought that maybe somebody can post from his own experience with StairCase his personal benchmarks like: Step 3 - beat Very Hard AI Step 4 - beat Elite AI etc. Thanks again Just throw away fear, and jump on ladder. My benchmarks was: Step1 - Beated every AI from very Easy to Elite *7 games total*,Then beated bronze oponent on ladder *1game total* Step2 - Passed 9 of 10, won like 5 of 10, promoted to silver Step3 - Like 20 games to get used to it. Step4 - Few games and im Gold....Passing steps from here become easy, and i just learned some macro openers, and from there in 2 seasons im almost diamond.. P.S. I never played RTS..Was pro DOTA1 player, but never played wc3/sc2. Thx JAKATAK :D | ||
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enykie
Germany64 Posts
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ThunderChild.EU
France5 Posts
Then you play games, upload the replays and check if you have passed them according to ggtracker.com's Staircase view: Did you spend your ressources well enough? Did you saturate your bases fast enough? To keep track for yourself, there is the Spreadsheet, linked in the first post - or my PDF that I uploaded and linked a few posts above. | ||
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Mythodea
Mexico4 Posts
Question: In order to "pass" a certain stage, do we need to hit our goal league for all THREE bases of the saturation speed? Just the first two? Enlighten me please. Thanks! | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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