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htou
Profile Joined April 2013
Australia11 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 16:17:49
April 27 2013 16:16 GMT
#821
Quick report - played a couple of AI-VHard games today and managed to get Terran SS to GM!! Macro at 100%, my game [macro] is getting better. The journey continues...hopefully see step 2 by the end of the week. Noob terran, 5 wks in.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 27 2013 16:50 GMT
#822
well done htou, glad to see you're enjoying the ride
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
colonelvirus
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom42 Posts
April 27 2013 19:37 GMT
#823
Nice one htou!! Good luck with your progress.
Yarmy
Profile Joined April 2013
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 20:33:40
April 28 2013 19:12 GMT
#824
Is there an easy way to track supply blocks and hard supply blocks in each game?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 28 2013 20:44 GMT
#825
@Yarmy
We'll be using Time Supply Blocked in ggtracker very soon. Until then you'll have to track it manually, sorry
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 21:00:00
April 28 2013 20:56 GMT
#826
On April 28 2013 01:16 htou wrote:
Quick report - played a couple of AI-VHard games today and managed to get Terran SS to GM!! Macro at 100%, my game [macro] is getting better. The journey continues...hopefully see step 2 by the end of the week. Noob terran, 5 wks in.


Terran SS?

o.0

EDIT: Oh, spending skill. I thought you meant league for a while there. But in the mean time, Godwin's Law strikes again in the most unexpected of places.
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
April 29 2013 02:19 GMT
#827
ggtracker idea: some way to keep track of TheStaircase levels on ggtracker itself per race

For example:
zerg (lvl X): unit1, unit2, unit3
protoss (lvl Y): unit1, unit2, unit3
terran (lvl Z): unit1, unit2, unit3

in a sidebar of some sort. In preferences/options, a checkbox that says: "Staircase mode" that enables some features about TheStaircase.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 29 2013 04:32 GMT
#828
I think you mean zerg (step X)

There will be a whole Staircase section I believe that will keep track of your passes and fails and what step you're on etc. Its going to be awesome.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
April 29 2013 06:07 GMT
#829
On April 29 2013 13:32 JaKaTaK wrote:
I think you mean zerg (step X)

There will be a whole Staircase section I believe that will keep track of your passes and fails and what step you're on etc. Its going to be awesome.


Yes, I meant step X! :D

AWWWWW YISSSSSS! When's the release date? Also, how's supply block metric going?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 29 2013 14:05 GMT
#830
Unfortunately, like larva, we can't accurately measure when a supply block happens. (just because you are 18/18 doesn't mean you are supply blocked). But we're getting very close.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 17:43:43
April 29 2013 17:42 GMT
#831
On April 29 2013 23:05 JaKaTaK wrote:
Unfortunately, like larva, we can't accurately measure when a supply block happens. (just because you are 18/18 doesn't mean you are supply blocked). But we're getting very close.


I was thinking more in terms of leaguification of "time supply block". I remember you were working on getting more data to be able to leaguify it! How's that coming along?

Although I think it's still easiest to just count them while in game! Probably press a gg button when getting supply blocked? lol!
zedmor
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1 Post
April 29 2013 19:20 GMT
#832
Being mid gold zerg player I always struggled with a game, thinking that a unit composition and right counters is a key to be a better player. But instead it turned out to be marco, macro, macro. I am so thankful to JaKaTaK for a staircase system, since sc ladder is so deceiving, no matter what you do your winrate is 50% and even if you realize that, you improving so much slower than you could, just because of a reason that wins is not a direct indicator that part of your game is definitely improved.

I hate blizzard so much for hiding MMR aka ELO rating from players, but I believe that's necessary evil to keep casual players playing, and those players important as well, since a lot of money is needed for development.

I just started staircase but I already see a lot of improvement, I was skeptical about unit restriction but that's absolutely necessary to focus on right things: injects, creep spread, spending minerals. And believe or not, but from my first 10 games on ladder I won 7 playing with only one allowed unit - zergling! I only wonder what I could do when I would be able to use baneling... Looks like my opps will have no chance then.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 29 2013 20:47 GMT
#833
@feng
we can't leaguify supply blocks because we can't measure them accurately yet. For now, we have to go with Time Supply Capped from the score screen over time.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
April 30 2013 01:32 GMT
#834
On April 30 2013 04:20 zedmor wrote:
I hate blizzard so much for hiding MMR aka ELO rating from players, but I believe that's necessary evil to keep casual players playing, and those players important as well, since a lot of money is needed for development.


Masters and up should be able to see their MMR, like the way it used to be with Win/Loss. At least that's my opinion; I'm sure Blizz won't see this specific obscure post and do exactly what I want.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 30 2013 03:19 GMT
#835
@Anty
I agree with that sooo much. Especially because there is such a diverse range of skill in the masters league, it would really help to make Master's league more meaningful.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
DMJ
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany5 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 07:08:46
April 30 2013 07:07 GMT
#836
Hello everybody,

EU Diamond Zerg here, i have read the article about the staircase and in my opinion i think it`s the right way
for low level players. I started to give it a try and made my first matches on na as terran. I`ve started in bronze league
and i must say: it works.

But a few questions are still open:

1. How about upgrades? I`m on step 3 and i guess i`m allowed to build ebays and armories?

2. How about a special Buildorder or Expanding? The first matches i go for 1 Rax FE, it`s the only Buildorder
i know... after expanding i`m adding productions and go for a third before 10 minutes.

3. I`m very interested to translate your Staircase into German. Maybe we could talk about that?

Please excuse my bad english, it has been years thati have written in english ;-)
capocal
Profile Joined February 2011
3 Posts
April 30 2013 08:03 GMT
#837
This is a cute idea.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 30 2013 14:37 GMT
#838
@DMJ



There is no restriction on upgrades or buildings (as it says in the docs) which means you can build any buildings you want and get w/e upgrades you want starting at step 2.

As far as a build order goes, that's kind of the point. Don't worry about a build if you don't want to. Otherwise you can look one up. The idea is that you can explore the game with or without a build, its up to you Expanding should happen whenever you'd like (preferably between the time where you have 16 on minerals and the time when you have 24 on the minerals.)

All you need to do to translate TheStaircase into german is make a copy on google, docs, translate, and then share that copy with me, and I will add it as a page in the main document

and your english is excellent
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
DMJ
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany5 Posts
May 02 2013 08:20 GMT
#839
So,

Translation in Version 1.0 is done, maybe the one or other can correct some bad passages. The message of the staircase
should be delivered.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtHP6dJM4HMPdDIwT0NtWjFYVUg3VXZielBQaWpWdUE&usp=sharing
cgidude
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 09:59:23
May 02 2013 09:54 GMT
#840
step 1 does not make sense for protoss... can only get 3 wins playing against toss or zerg who is on FE. i mean seriously vs terran they just wall & bunker in & range you, and you can only look at the minimap so death to the zeolots. get lucky & break through & they just lift up while marines run to slaughter your workers lol...

i'm not saying paying more attention to workers/supply isn't a great idea... but seriously most low-bronze terrans couldn't lose to a toss who doesn't get gas so step 1 is kinda pointless for them...

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