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Ammoth
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden391 Posts
July 28 2012 07:25 GMT
#221
When would be a good time to attack as protoss? at 10 min? at 100 supply? I'm having troubles finding a decent timing to attack at, feels weird to macro to 200 before I attack with no tech <.< Seems my opponent has "alot" of tech at that point!
MrLlama
Profile Joined December 2010
United States454 Posts
July 30 2012 02:36 GMT
#222
On July 28 2012 16:25 Ammoth wrote:
When would be a good time to attack as protoss? at 10 min? at 100 supply? I'm having troubles finding a decent timing to attack at, feels weird to macro to 200 before I attack with no tech <.< Seems my opponent has "alot" of tech at that point!


definitely a fair question

I think as protoss you can attack at multiple points and it really depends the game but for the purpose of this guide I'd say there are a few good times to attack

80-100 supply would probably be a good one to start thinking about. this is the time that your opponent will likely be teching so you can catch him off guard here. you can also expand behind this attack if you want.

150-200 supply - anytime between here really is a good time to attack. You have a strong army and you want to be able to move out before they sit for too long building up that tech.
www.youtube.com/mrllamasc << Casting & Analysis Videos
MyLifeforAuir44
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2 Posts
August 16 2012 00:01 GMT
#223
Thank you very much for this info. I am a Silver Protoss player who has not played this game for awhile. I followed your build advice, and it is working great! I had a terran try a marine/scv rush cheese at about 5 min. and I handled it easily and was able to counter attack over the next three minutes and destory him. Your basics help keep unused resources to a minimum. I look forward to reading more from you.
I long for combat!
MrLlama
Profile Joined December 2010
United States454 Posts
August 16 2012 20:50 GMT
#224
On August 16 2012 09:01 MyLifeforAuir44 wrote:
Thank you very much for this info. I am a Silver Protoss player who has not played this game for awhile. I followed your build advice, and it is working great! I had a terran try a marine/scv rush cheese at about 5 min. and I handled it easily and was able to counter attack over the next three minutes and destory him. Your basics help keep unused resources to a minimum. I look forward to reading more from you.


keeping unused resources to a minimum is key, but only if you're maximizing the potential income that you can get (aka building workers always and not being supply blocked)

glad to know it's helping you out!
www.youtube.com/mrllamasc << Casting & Analysis Videos
BatTheMan
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada759 Posts
March 08 2013 03:38 GMT
#225
thank you for the builds, it's a good start for me!
aka RichardNPL (RichardNamPhong@Azeroth)
bash84
Profile Joined March 2008
Moldova6 Posts
October 27 2013 15:44 GMT
#226
I'm playing several month by this guide and thanks to it was quickly promoted to top-8 gold. Now i have some questions regarding this guide.

1. If Terran plays mass ravens with transition to battlecruisers, then according this guide in gold I can't scout his base and can use against them only cannons, zealots, sentries, colo, immortals and stalkers w/o blink, but using these units I lost even to silver Terran. But when he plays standart i crush him w/o questions.

What to do? Add phoenixes, templars with feedback and psi storm or keep suffer using zealots w/guardian shield, cannons and stalkers?
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
October 27 2013 19:01 GMT
#227
The OP made this around 1.7 Years ago so he's not going to respond and there was no need for this to be bumped.
Bash you probably want to ask that in the Protoss help me thread but I will give a quick answer.

The composition you are stating is hyper late game how did the Terran get mass reaper and battlecruisers? Did you try your best at denying expansions did you attack at the optimum time for your units?
Storm is your best friend, along with Archons Void rays and Tempests, this guide is for WoL so should not be trusted for HoTs.

I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
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