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WFGolgoth
Profile Joined June 2012
France13 Posts
August 17 2012 08:47 GMT
#1081
@pyrostat : you should check 1st post as it has all the answers to your questions

If you have a question, check out our development document and our data document. Most questions can be answered by one of these documents.

FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 09:20:47
August 17 2012 09:16 GMT
#1082
The development document has the current key assignments. Open the data document, chose your race at the bottom (there are tabs down there), and scroll right for recommended assignments. We need that in the OP!

Also, time to add some of your guy's feedback to the OP section for that. Good to hear stroies and I look foward to following your progress, Vernay.
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
August 17 2012 11:29 GMT
#1083
On August 17 2012 18:16 FoxyMayhem wrote:
The development document has the current key assignments. Open the data document, chose your race at the bottom (there are tabs down there), and scroll right for recommended assignments. We need that in the OP!

Also, time to add some of your guy's feedback to the OP section for that. Good to hear stroies and I look foward to following your progress, Vernay.



will be updating my progress in around 4 hours, looks like ill have some :O data for you guys :D
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
August 17 2012 17:15 GMT
#1084
@Kaz_Coaching
I'll add the alternate binds for escape, for now, just add them yourself, when we have enough edits to warrant another release, this will be included in it.

@Sapp
I'll add an alternate bind for the creep tumor as well :D

@LessPewPew
RRMM is optimized for random players, making a compromise accounting for the needs of each race. PRMM is optimized for protoss players, sacrificing optimization in the Terran and Zerg binds for consistency in order to make off-racing easier, if slightly less optimal. Going through each individual change and why we made it would be maddeningly time consuming, so you'll just have to trust us on this one.

@Foxy
I put that in the OP, email me later if you have any more edits you would like in there.

Thanks Vernay and everyone else for your testing.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
pyrostat
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)70 Posts
August 17 2012 17:45 GMT
#1085
sorry if i am noob but i don't get how to use the data and development documents... too many number 0.0
Arklite
Profile Joined September 2010
12 Posts
August 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#1086
Nice
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
August 17 2012 18:47 GMT
#1087
On August 18 2012 02:45 pyrostat wrote:
sorry if i am noob but i don't get how to use the data and development documents... too many number 0.0


The exact answer to your question is in the FAQ.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 19:54:38
August 17 2012 19:51 GMT
#1088
On August 17 2012 01:33 Vernay wrote:
Hey all, Vern here!

Im currently in the midst of testing this, a little background on me:

Played sc2 for 5 days so far using grid placed bronze and rapidly got promoted up to platinum.

I come from a intensive training background ( its kind of hinted at in my thread from a while back after the fall of MMO's as esports.

Will be aiming to test this keyboard layout ( im using Prm - Protoss, left hand on keyboard, no extra mouse buttons) extensively and post results.

Day 1:

Concerns

I'm concerned about macro under this set up iv always focused on tapping as a skill set, will have to investigate sub grouping a little more.

Plus points

Pre the core, my unit control with really rather bad, and i won by out macroing / out thinking my opponents - so far iv seen a rapid increase in my unit control.

Sad points

Dang this thing is hard to adjust to, im used to the concept of optimized key binds - doing a fair amount of work on similar concepts for MMOs, however, this is really hard to adjust to due to the apm you are playing at ( in my case only around 100-120 )

What i did today to learn the keybinds

Today i spent 4 hours numbly staring at the hotkey trainer thats mentioned in the OP - really good at teaching you what each hotkey does, i changed the names of "control group 1,2, etc, to the purpuse described in the Data File which was a massive help.

I then proceeded to face the very easy ai, executing the standard 4 gate, i chose this build because it has very stringent timings that can be easily measured to check my progress on the very basics of using the layout before changing to more late game builds.


Will edit this with more conclusions in the morning.


Day 1.5

Quick update really, switched from 4 gate to a build that i have comparable replays from Grid settings so i can compare the timings etc.

The build is Mc's 7 gate 1 gas all in ( click me )


Compared 2 average replay games of me using Grid and me using PRM ( prm having only been used for about a day and a half )


Grid:

Gates are ready to warp @ 7:50
( in most games this would result in the push starting, however in the replay ( the only 1.5 replay i had of me doing this build on grid )

35 Probes.

Average APM at warp in: 98
Average EAPM at warp in: 45....

PRM:

Gates ready to warp: 8:02

36/37 probes.


Average APM at warp in: 55
Average EAPM at warp in 45

Conclusion.


i am not going to lie, theese stats suprised me no end, as i make a TON of mistakes when im using PRM, i still feel as if im having to glance at the keyboard every 10-20 seconds, and yet im not that far behind grid ( platinum )


i will add day 2 in the morning.

Day 2

Hey guys, real quick update, iv been playing a fair few games, sadly i had to go out so i only got a chance to play around 10 games, but i decided to post every other games basic stats for you to compare.



The is using the same build mentioned earlier: ( The build is Mc's 7 gate 1 gas all in

stats:

Game 1.

Warpgates ready: 7:47
Probe count: 38
APM: 60
Epm: 41

Game 2:

Warpgates ready: 7:39
Probe count: 32
APM:60
Epm:48

Game 3.

Warpgates ready: 7:21
Probe count: 35
APM: 58
Epm:45

Game 4.

Warpgates ready: 7:10
Probe count: 31
APM:70
Epm: 42



Review

Not sure how it happened, or were the time came from, but i am having a far easier time in optimizing the very small aspects of my build mainly just making sure timing was crisp etc.

i am still kind of in shock were those 40 seconds came from.

Will post more information when iv actually managed to play some more games now that my net is back up again

Also, my unit control, which has historically been my biggest issue ( i got up to platinum just by macroing really hard )

having issues with supply blocking myself as the muscle memory just isn't there at the moment, but i get the feeling im almost there



Updated.
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
pyrostat
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)70 Posts
August 17 2012 21:47 GMT
#1089
wtf man. seriously can you just answer my question? You have what i am looking for directly in your videos....

stop at 51 seconds... i don't have that... can you give me an ss of TRM and ZRM? please is that too much to ask for?
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
August 17 2012 22:11 GMT
#1090
On August 18 2012 06:47 pyrostat wrote:
wtf man. seriously can you just answer my question? You have what i am looking for directly in your videos....

stop at 51 seconds... i don't have that... can you give me an ss of TRM and ZRM? please is that too much to ask for?


I pride myself on high quality posts but in response to you, i am comfortable in dropping the quality, albeit not as bad as your level.

REALLY.

really? thats all i can say...

you want to know what hot keys to use? why dont you do what he said and look at the damn document he linked!...

it says clearly what control group is for what.

heres an example - and yes its not ZRM or TRM. because i think you should show the creator a shred of respect by following his advice.

Suggested Use of Control Groups
P Nex/Forge/FB/Twi/Temp/Bay
O Gate/Star/Robo/Core
; Army
L Templar
0 Harass
9 Stalkers
[ Zealots
- Harass
= Obs 1/H3
. Obs 2/H4





https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdFQ4LVlIcllUUWtGUVY4cWxyLXd6QUE#gid=8

is the document with the information you need...


Vern
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
August 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#1091
While Darkgrid is fully released, TheCore is still in Beta testing. This means we don't have everything easy to find, we have it easy to change, since changing it to be better is our highest priority at the moment. While we think it's getting near ready to release, someone could arrive at something brilliant and we need to rework the thing.

If you're having trouble finding what you need to use TheCore, perhaps wait until it's official release, where everything will be made more clear and easy.
garrett345
Profile Joined August 2012
Czech Republic12 Posts
August 17 2012 22:33 GMT
#1092
This layout seems interesting, but right shift is too far up and right. I used KeyTweak to redefine right win key to shift (and context key to ctrl) and it is SO MUCH better.

Also I use F4-F8 as location hotkeys, I dont know if it is just my keyboard, but ctrl+shift is really hard to pull off.

However, I don't know whether it is worth to spend so many games to learn completely different layout, maybe I will just add some control group hotkeys (T,G,B,V,Y,H) to my standard setup, it can be called TheCore Lite I think that what is important is to be able to reach all keys without lifting your hand, other than that difference between TheCore and standard will be like 5% more APM in my opinion.
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Sapp
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 00:47:05
August 17 2012 22:36 GMT
#1093

On August 18 2012 06:47 pyrostat wrote:
wtf man. seriously can you just answer my question? You have what i am looking for directly in your videos....

stop at 51 seconds... i don't have that... can you give me an ss of TRM and ZRM? please is that too much to ask for?


ironic...

So you want to switch into another, completly different layout than grid or standard, but you can't force yourself to understand a fcuken .doc file? 'This' my frined, is going to be a really short trip.
Quote? O.o?
Sapp
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 22:38:40
August 17 2012 22:38 GMT
#1094
bump, sorry...
Quote? O.o?
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
August 17 2012 22:42 GMT
#1095
On August 18 2012 07:36 Sapp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 07:11 Vernay wrote:
On August 18 2012 06:47 pyrostat wrote:
wtf man. seriously can you just answer my question? You have what i am looking for directly in your videos....

stop at 51 seconds... i don't have that... can you give me an ss of TRM and ZRM? please is that too much to ask for?


I pride myself on high quality posts but in response to you, i am comfortable in dropping the quality, albeit not as bad as your level.

REALLY.

really? thats all i can say...

you want to know what hot keys to use? why dont you do what he said and look at the damn document he linked!...

it says clearly what control group is for what.

heres an example - and yes its not ZRM or TRM. because i think you should show the creator a shred of respect by following his advice.

Suggested Use of Control Groups
P Nex/Forge/FB/Twi/Temp/Bay
O Gate/Star/Robo/Core
; Army
L Templar
0 Harass
9 Stalkers
[ Zealots
- Harass
= Obs 1/H3
. Obs 2/H4





https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdFQ4LVlIcllUUWtGUVY4cWxyLXd6QUE#gid=8

is the document with the information you need...


Vern


ironic...

So you want to switch into another, completly different layout than grid or standard, but you can't force yourself to understand a fcuken .doc file? 'This' my frined, is going to be a really short trip.



i hope your quoting my nested quote rather than me
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 00:20:47
August 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#1096
Okay guys, lay off. We've all had bad days, maybe he's having a hard time. I grew ill several years ago due to toxic mold poising, and I often couldn't understand things because my mind was screwed up. I needed a helping hand, not a world full of mockers.

We don't know his story, and even if we did, shitting on him is not going to help.
pyrostat
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)70 Posts
August 18 2012 00:37 GMT
#1097
thanks man. ima tear up... seriously thank you foxymayhem
pyrostat
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)70 Posts
August 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#1098
On August 18 2012 09:37 pyrostat wrote:
thanks man. ima tear up... seriously thank you foxymayhem


and also no one sees it in the video? am i hallucinating? did i research hallucinate too fast?
DeathToSquid
Profile Joined July 2012
United States20 Posts
August 18 2012 04:26 GMT
#1099
Thanks a lot for this. I improved a lot in pvt after adjusting, which was my weakest matchup (also the most micro intensive matchup for me). It also didn't take that long to learn, the hotkeys are pretty intuitive (most commonly used thing in easiest key, etc). Anyone thinking about trying this should do so, it was only about 3 days of pain before I returned to a reasonable level and I am now doing better than I was previously.
Cheney always seemed squiddy to me.
Xanbatou
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States805 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 04:35:40
August 18 2012 04:32 GMT
#1100
Can someone tell me if I'm doing this wrong? I downloaded ZRMM (I use my mouse with my right hand), and half the keys are on the other side of the keyboard. It doesn't seem ergonomic at all.

EDIT: nevermind, turns out the hotkey trainer program i was using didnt do what I thought it did.
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