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Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 16:22:22
June 20 2012 22:49 GMT
#1
Hey all, i am not to sure this is the right section, but i am really in need of some advice.

So before i outline my problem, i just want to give you guys and gals a little bit of context, iv been playing MMO's at a tournament level for the duration of their time as an esport and have achieved high rankings, im not going to flash my E-Peen, if you're desperate to see it with links to my MMO profile PM me :3

So whats the problem? well, my sponsors pulled out because MMO's as an esport are dieing rapidly, if not already dead ( iv done a few videos on youtube discussing this subject once again, PM for info, im not going to advertise myself while asking for advice ) so i really need to look at different options for games.

So any suggestions on were my experience on MMO's will translate, im kind of terrible at league of legends in the 300 or so wins that i have on that game, however, i'm yet to "train" league of legends or SC2


so yeah, just any advice would be appreicated, kind of at a loss at the moment, having 14 hours a day free due to not training for mmo's has kind of depressed me :/

Vern.

Poll added:
Poll: Which game should i play?

Dota 2 (60)
 
44%

SC2 (37)
 
27%

League of Legends (31)
 
23%

GW2 ( i doubt it will be an esport tbh ) (6)
 
4%

Other ( please comment ) (3)
 
2%

137 total votes

Your vote: Which game should i play?

(Vote): SC2
(Vote): Dota 2
(Vote): League of Legends
(Vote): GW2 ( i doubt it will be an esport tbh )
(Vote): Other ( please comment )



"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
June 20 2012 22:55 GMT
#2
Bloodline Champions may be your style, but its not super huge. They were at Dreamhack though. Diablo 3 pvp may have a pro scene? But no one really knows on that.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 20 2012 22:57 GMT
#3
If you spend fourteen hours a day practicing StarCraft, you'll more than likely get good and break into the scene. So far the scene looks good for StarCraft, so if you want stability, its a good place to try and find it, but there are plenty of good players out there, so if you REALLY want to succeed, you'll put those fourteen hours a day to good use.

As for League of Legends, I can't speak on it, so I'll offer the general advice of playing both for a bit and seeing what you're REALLY good at, and going with that, because with the fourteen hours a day you say you've got, you'll probably get good at whichever you play.

Another consideration is your teamwork, since League of Legends is a game that stresses teamwork much more than StarCraft you should take that into consideration.

Overall, you'll be good at whichever you pick more than likely (assuming you put your time to good use) so whichever you find funner or or excel in faster might be what you want to pick.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 20 2012 23:03 GMT
#4
On June 21 2012 07:55 TBone- wrote:
Bloodline Champions may be your style, but its not super huge. They were at Dreamhack though. Diablo 3 pvp may have a pro scene? But no one really knows on that.


thanks for the input iv followed BLC a little ,but it just seems so small that stability wise i don't think its what im looking for

lost alot of faith in blizzard after they messed up most wow tournaments by releasing patches half way through

thanks for the input <3
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 20 2012 23:05 GMT
#5
On June 21 2012 07:57 Zambrah wrote:
If you spend fourteen hours a day practicing StarCraft, you'll more than likely get good and break into the scene. So far the scene looks good for StarCraft, so if you want stability, its a good place to try and find it, but there are plenty of good players out there, so if you REALLY want to succeed, you'll put those fourteen hours a day to good use.

As for League of Legends, I can't speak on it, so I'll offer the general advice of playing both for a bit and seeing what you're REALLY good at, and going with that, because with the fourteen hours a day you say you've got, you'll probably get good at whichever you play.

Another consideration is your teamwork, since League of Legends is a game that stresses teamwork much more than StarCraft you should take that into consideration.

Overall, you'll be good at whichever you pick more than likely (assuming you put your time to good use) so whichever you find funner or or excel in faster might be what you want to pick.


Hehe, thanks for the awesome input

Starcraft is the most stable esport for players as far as i can tell, the only issue iv been debating with myself if the fact that i live in England, were our scene is limited to one tournament a year

but thanks alot for the input, need to think on alot which you said <3
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 20 2012 23:06 GMT
#6
On June 21 2012 08:05 Vernay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 07:57 Zambrah wrote:
If you spend fourteen hours a day practicing StarCraft, you'll more than likely get good and break into the scene. So far the scene looks good for StarCraft, so if you want stability, its a good place to try and find it, but there are plenty of good players out there, so if you REALLY want to succeed, you'll put those fourteen hours a day to good use.

As for League of Legends, I can't speak on it, so I'll offer the general advice of playing both for a bit and seeing what you're REALLY good at, and going with that, because with the fourteen hours a day you say you've got, you'll probably get good at whichever you play.

Another consideration is your teamwork, since League of Legends is a game that stresses teamwork much more than StarCraft you should take that into consideration.

Overall, you'll be good at whichever you pick more than likely (assuming you put your time to good use) so whichever you find funner or or excel in faster might be what you want to pick.


Hehe, thanks for the awesome input

Starcraft is the most stable esport for players as far as i can tell, the only issue iv been debating with myself if the fact that i live in England, were our scene is limited to one tournament a year

but thanks alot for the input, need to think on alot which you said <3


Yeah, England isn't where StarCraft is at it's most popular, but if you really dedicate yourself, you could get a team and they'll ship you to tournaments. :-D

Tell me if you ever stream StarCraft, I'd love to help where I can. ^_^
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
June 20 2012 23:09 GMT
#7
What about Guildwars 2? There could be this chance that it becomes big, but I really don't know about MMOs, im just speculating.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 20 2012 23:10 GMT
#8
On June 21 2012 08:05 Vernay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 07:57 Zambrah wrote:
If you spend fourteen hours a day practicing StarCraft, you'll more than likely get good and break into the scene. So far the scene looks good for StarCraft, so if you want stability, its a good place to try and find it, but there are plenty of good players out there, so if you REALLY want to succeed, you'll put those fourteen hours a day to good use.

As for League of Legends, I can't speak on it, so I'll offer the general advice of playing both for a bit and seeing what you're REALLY good at, and going with that, because with the fourteen hours a day you say you've got, you'll probably get good at whichever you play.

Another consideration is your teamwork, since League of Legends is a game that stresses teamwork much more than StarCraft you should take that into consideration.

Overall, you'll be good at whichever you pick more than likely (assuming you put your time to good use) so whichever you find funner or or excel in faster might be what you want to pick.


Hehe, thanks for the awesome input

Starcraft is the most stable esport for players as far as i can tell, the only issue iv been debating with myself if the fact that i live in England, were our scene is limited to one tournament a year

but thanks alot for the input, need to think on alot which you said <3

if you can deal with teamwork, which you should be able to being an mmo player, you should go for league of legends, You'll need to develop more mouse accuracy, but you'll need that to be good at either sc2 or LoL
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Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 20 2012 23:10 GMT
#9
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 21 2012 08:06 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 08:05 Vernay wrote:
On June 21 2012 07:57 Zambrah wrote:
If you spend fourteen hours a day practicing StarCraft, you'll more than likely get good and break into the scene. So far the scene looks good for StarCraft, so if you want stability, its a good place to try and find it, but there are plenty of good players out there, so if you REALLY want to succeed, you'll put those fourteen hours a day to good use.

As for League of Legends, I can't speak on it, so I'll offer the general advice of playing both for a bit and seeing what you're REALLY good at, and going with that, because with the fourteen hours a day you say you've got, you'll probably get good at whichever you play.

Another consideration is your teamwork, since League of Legends is a game that stresses teamwork much more than StarCraft you should take that into consideration.

Overall, you'll be good at whichever you pick more than likely (assuming you put your time to good use) so whichever you find funner or or excel in faster might be what you want to pick.


Hehe, thanks for the awesome input

Starcraft is the most stable esport for players as far as i can tell, the only issue iv been debating with myself if the fact that i live in England, were our scene is limited to one tournament a year

but thanks alot for the input, need to think on alot which you said <3


Yeah, England isn't where StarCraft is at it's most popular, but if you really dedicate yourself, you could get a team and they'll ship you to tournaments. :-D

Tell me if you ever stream StarCraft, I'd love to help where I can. ^_^



Hehe thanks Zam, yeah SC2 is not the most prized esport in England at the moment, its growing ( slowly ) but it still makes it hard to break into

Thanks for the input :3 and if i end up on SC2 / Streaming ill be sure to throw my links around :3
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 20 2012 23:11 GMT
#10
On June 21 2012 08:09 Celestia wrote:
What about Guildwars 2? There could be this chance that it becomes big, but I really don't know about MMOs, im just speculating.


GW2 will not be an esport, anyone who thinks it will be has been kidding them selves, sadly they fell into the fatal trap of circle capping being the only viable strategy

"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 20 2012 23:12 GMT
#11
If you want a compeitive game go SC2, Dota 2 or LoL. I am biast Dota 2 vs LoL and don't want to start arguement here.
if you can believe you can concieve
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 20 2012 23:13 GMT
#12
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 08:10 iGrok wrote:
On June 21 2012 08:05 Vernay wrote:
On June 21 2012 07:57 Zambrah wrote:
If you spend fourteen hours a day practicing StarCraft, you'll more than likely get good and break into the scene. So far the scene looks good for StarCraft, so if you want stability, its a good place to try and find it, but there are plenty of good players out there, so if you REALLY want to succeed, you'll put those fourteen hours a day to good use.

As for League of Legends, I can't speak on it, so I'll offer the general advice of playing both for a bit and seeing what you're REALLY good at, and going with that, because with the fourteen hours a day you say you've got, you'll probably get good at whichever you play.

Another consideration is your teamwork, since League of Legends is a game that stresses teamwork much more than StarCraft you should take that into consideration.

Overall, you'll be good at whichever you pick more than likely (assuming you put your time to good use) so whichever you find funner or or excel in faster might be what you want to pick.


Hehe, thanks for the awesome input

Starcraft is the most stable esport for players as far as i can tell, the only issue iv been debating with myself if the fact that i live in England, were our scene is limited to one tournament a year

but thanks alot for the input, need to think on alot which you said <3

if you can deal with teamwork, which you should be able to being an mmo player, you should go for league of legends, You'll need to develop more mouse accuracy, but you'll need that to be good at either sc2 or LoL



The teamwork side of it is the main reason i even consider MOBA's over SC2
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 20 2012 23:28 GMT
#13
added a poll :3
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
June 20 2012 23:33 GMT
#14
On June 21 2012 08:11 Vernay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 08:09 Celestia wrote:
What about Guildwars 2? There could be this chance that it becomes big, but I really don't know about MMOs, im just speculating.


GW2 will not be an esport, anyone who thinks it will be has been kidding them selves, sadly they fell into the fatal trap of circle capping being the only viable strategy



Not to mention E-sports actually need to be watchable besides playable... and sadly having the screen filled with 3000 particle explosions and 50 circles on the ground doesn't help the cause.
SnowyPsilocybin
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom265 Posts
June 20 2012 23:34 GMT
#15
MOBAs really, team fights have similaritys to arena in WoW. And theres the teamwork and communication side from MMO days. As for DotA or LoL, whichever you prefer more.
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 20 2012 23:36 GMT
#16
On June 21 2012 08:33 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 08:11 Vernay wrote:
On June 21 2012 08:09 Celestia wrote:
What about Guildwars 2? There could be this chance that it becomes big, but I really don't know about MMOs, im just speculating.


GW2 will not be an esport, anyone who thinks it will be has been kidding them selves, sadly they fell into the fatal trap of circle capping being the only viable strategy



Not to mention E-sports actually need to be watchable besides playable... and sadly having the screen filled with 3000 particle explosions and 50 circles on the ground doesn't help the cause.



hehe - dont get me started, they actually designed the system to discourage defensive play, and encourage circle capping which means the team with the highest movement speed wins, great :3
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
June 20 2012 23:37 GMT
#17
Play for fun and don't focus on playing 12-14 hours a day.
Get a non gaming related hobby
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
June 20 2012 23:38 GMT
#18
i've never archived anything on MMO besides like gladiator in WoW, but i came to sc2 from it, i did play some wc3 for fun, but nothing more then that it was. So if you know how, and really often more on youself and you got problems with confidence , i choose sc2 over LoL for example. Its really hard , but if you constantly play for lets say 3 months, you will get to the point where you 'll be master at least and things will look much brighter and open for you the at first. Also as you know loses in SC2 are painfull at first ) good luck
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juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
June 20 2012 23:40 GMT
#19
I recently started playing more LoL and getting competitive by doing weekly tournies with my team. It's gets fun when you have a team but by myself I find it quite boring. Or go to dota if you like that more.
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
June 20 2012 23:52 GMT
#20
play the game you like most, if you enjoy it enough to where you dont mind losing... start playing serious
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