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Oh, I know one thing you're missing out on:
The ease of ctrl+clicking on a unit type to select all of them, and then hitting the button to add. With your setup you have to ctrl+click, then let go of ctrl and press shift, and then hit the button.
Ie, you go to your rally, there's some marines, some widow mines, and some medivacs. with the normal Core setup you just hold CTRL down the entire time, click marines, press 0. Click Widowmines, press -, click medivacs, press ;.
But you've got to toggle between ctrl and shift a bunch of times rather than just holding ctrl.
If you're used to boxing your units instead, that won't really be a hindrance at all. For Zerg though, ctrl+clicking is definitely the preferred method because of egg hotkeying.
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On May 19 2013 00:28 Ninjury_J wrote:
A lot. I would say it is significantly different. You can check out the document in the OP.
I asked here instead, because looking at the document will tell me the exact keys, but not the idea behind them or anything. Could you please give a short summary? I saw someone mention something about recalling control groups with shift+key etc. What's that all about?
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Would TheCore fit my needs as a sc2 player? I have hyper mobility in my hands which makes the speed I can move my fingers very slow and coordination worse. In the past I solved this by using a razer naga where I could control everything with my thumbs but the mouse is gone now and I am finding it hard to adjust to a keyboard. Since I am making a switch anyways should I try the core?
To give you an idea of how bad my fingers and control is I cannot hold a pencil properly or play the guitar.
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On May 20 2013 04:34 Tzuborg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:28 Ninjury_J wrote:
A lot. I would say it is significantly different. You can check out the document in the OP. I asked here instead, because looking at the document will tell me the exact keys, but not the idea behind them or anything. Could you please give a short summary? I saw someone mention something about recalling control groups with shift+key etc. What's that all about?
That's for the zerg layout, and that's only the inject queen control group. It's been that way for a while, so that's not new.
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On May 20 2013 04:35 tEEYOUNEE wrote:
Would TheCore fit my needs as a sc2 player? I have hyper mobility in my hands which makes the speed I can move my fingers very slow and coordination worse. In the past I solved this by using a razer naga where I could control everything with my thumbs but the mouse is gone now and I am finding it hard to adjust to a keyboard. Since I am making a switch anyways should I try the core?
To give you an idea of how bad my fingers and control is I cannot hold a pencil properly or play the guitar.
With TheCore you don't have to move your whole hand or wrist. Your fingers don't ever have to travel very far from their resting positions (JIOP for righties and WERG for lefties).
Your fingers still do a lot when playing with the core, but you don't have to move them very far to do anything.
At first, it will really really unintutive, because you aren't used to having your hand on that side of the keyboard, but eventually it feels really nice and smooth.
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On May 20 2013 04:35 tEEYOUNEE wrote:
Would TheCore fit my needs as a sc2 player? I have hyper mobility in my hands which makes the speed I can move my fingers very slow and coordination worse. In the past I solved this by using a razer naga where I could control everything with my thumbs but the mouse is gone now and I am finding it hard to adjust to a keyboard. Since I am making a switch anyways should I try the core?
To give you an idea of how bad my fingers and control is I cannot hold a pencil properly or play the guitar.
TheCore requires way less hand motion than standard does, as every key on this layout is probably closer to your hand than it is in standard. I'd definitely recommend it myself.
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On May 20 2013 04:05 Borskey wrote:
Oh, I know one thing you're missing out on:
The ease of ctrl+clicking on a unit type to select all of them, and then hitting the button to add. With your setup you have to ctrl+click, then let go of ctrl and press shift, and then hit the button.
Ie, you go to your rally, there's some marines, some widow mines, and some medivacs. with the normal Core setup you just hold CTRL down the entire time, click marines, press 0. Click Widowmines, press -, click medivacs, press ;.
But you've got to toggle between ctrl and shift a bunch of times rather than just holding ctrl.
If you're used to boxing your units instead, that won't really be a hindrance at all. For Zerg though, ctrl+clicking is definitely the preferred method because of egg hotkeying.
Actually, Ctrl+Shift can be used pretty handily with rally points if the main army is next to the rally point. It's a bit overly situational, but that limitation isn't enough to deter me.
Anyone else got anything?
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Concerning Hallucination:
We put archon on the same key as hallucination so that you could hold the key down if you wanted a massive ball of melee tank. Remember, for a 2 key combination, 2 fingers is better than 1. But if you're holding down a key for a large number of repetitive actions, its better to have the 1 key. Immortals and Colossus work well for this function too, so you should choose what you think is best for that function IMO and leave the phoenix on the default key (this is the fastest combo).
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@anty
I think the way you have it is best, if we could change the function of shift+click and ctrl+click. But because we cannot do that, the current default is the next best thing. Pretty sure the only functionality you are losing is combinations with ctrl and shift like egg hotkeying.
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Hey, i'm starting using The Core and the 10control groups are superb, but there just a little bug, when i tried to "create" a control group with ctrl+shift+à ( because im using french azerty keyboard), it doesn't work, but it works for others nine control groups. Is there any conflits in french azerty with the à ? except that, evrything works and yesterday was the "bronze league day" but i feel now it is a little bit better , in a few days i will be in the point of no return !!!!!
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@Tib
that is probably your default language swap hotkey for your OS. see FAQ#2
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On May 20 2013 21:35 JaKaTaK wrote:
@Tib
that is probably your default language swap hotkey for your OS. see FAQ#2
Thanks !! it worked, you're thinking about everything. Now i got all i need to switch with The Core, just need to train a lot and experiment.
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I tried playing with the core last week, was using the ZMR version, and while I like the concept of the setup, I find that the hotkeys are just too foreign for me so much so that it even inhibits the learning process.
Thinking about it, I think my issue is related to the fact that I am a decent typist and I work on a keyboard all day, so anything that involves moving my hands from the standard position becomes an issue. When I see the letter R, I know that means I slightly extend my left index finger and BAM, R.
Is there a setup where I could use the layout of the core but with my left hand sitting in the standard keyboard position?
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On May 21 2013 00:59 Jermstuddog wrote:
I tried playing with the core last week, was using the ZMR version, and while I like the concept of the setup, I find that the hotkeys are just too foreign for me so much so that it even inhibits the learning process.
Thinking about it, I think my issue is related to the fact that I am a decent typist and I work on a keyboard all day, so anything that involves moving my hands from the standard position becomes an issue. When I see the letter R, I know that means I slightly extend my left index finger and BAM, R.
Is there a setup where I could use the layout of the core but with my left hand sitting in the standard keyboard position?
Try turning off the command card things and learn keys by their position and what should be on them, rather than their letter.
That's what I did, since I use Colemak on a keyboard with QWERTY keycaps, so I can't use it for reference.
As for the normal home position, I don't think that's gonna be possible unless you can somehow make your spacebar and something else turn into a Ctrl and Shift key and comfortably hit Alt with your thumb
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On May 21 2013 00:59 Jermstuddog wrote:
Is there a setup where I could use the layout of the core but with my left hand sitting in the standard keyboard position?
No- you can't just transpose the keys over, because the layout is specifically designed to have your thumb operating the ctrl, alt, and shift keys. For your left hand, the only position this works is on the right side of the keyboard.
It's weird at first- but I actually find it's more comfortable now having my left hand on the right than having it on the left ever was, because my hands aren't so far apart.
It doesn't take that long to get used to if you fully go into it. Just play the campaign or something, so you don't lose a ton of ladder points.
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On May 20 2013 12:13 JaKaTaK wrote:
@anty
I think the way you have it is best, if we could change the function of shift+click and ctrl+click. But because we cannot do that, the current default is the next best thing. Pretty sure the only functionality you are losing is combinations with ctrl and shift like egg hotkeying.
Maybe there's a way to change Shift+Ability to Ctrl+Ability?
EDIT: Meh. I was hoping we missed something like with rapidfire.
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On May 21 2013 04:33 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 12:13 JaKaTaK wrote:
@anty
I think the way you have it is best, if we could change the function of shift+click and ctrl+click. But because we cannot do that, the current default is the next best thing. Pretty sure the only functionality you are losing is combinations with ctrl and shift like egg hotkeying. Maybe there's a way to change Shift+Ability to Ctrl+Ability? EDIT: Meh. I was hoping we missed something like with rapidfire.
You can use autohotkey for that. It's something outside of the game, so Jakatak doesn't want it in the core, but it can be done.
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Actually, I was looking for something within Blizz's hotkey editor. Anything other than that is against the ToS.
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On May 21 2013 05:37 Antylamon wrote:
Actually, I was looking for something within Blizz's hotkey editor. Anything other than that is against the ToS.
Unless there's a way to physically move the modifiers around through a hardware mod, then no. No software solution to shitty modifiers exist within Blizzard's ToS.
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