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On May 02 2012 12:43 Akamu wrote:
Hey high/mid masters T here. I'm giving this a shot over the next couple weeks. But im having trouble finding how to select all idle workers? Maybe im just herp derping but how do i do that?
I have never used that, or found a use for that? What do you use it for if you're high/mid masters?? (forgive my ignorance, i really thought it was a useless key)
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I am definitely a fan of the left right split (JaKaTaK Righty) vs. the up and down split (your setup) because it guarantees that there are no repetitive finger uses. Where do you put your unit and building abilities with this setup? You have the whole block from 1 to V used up, i think... Am I missing something?
I use q for main army/lings w for banes/roaches (much like a control group only for marines) e for infestors and r for anything else i might need like mutas. I bind my hatches on 4 my creep spread queen on 1 and evos on 2 and 3. I also bind tech structures like spawning pool or roach warren on 5 and 6. I use the camera location method at each base to inject hatcheries!
I know my method of camera controls seems confusing, but notice i said i use the ctrl + shift modifiers at the same time to set all 8 locations. I only use ctrl to jump to them. This leaves no modifiers and shift modifiers all open. This allowed me to keep many of the same binds such as attack move while still being able to shift attack move. All my abilities and macro binds are on t, a-h, and z-b. I also have warp gates on ` (aka ~)
Hopefully this makes a bit more sense. It defiantly isn't the correct setup for everyone, but neither is any bind setup. The thing i must admit i like most is the fact that you aren't reaching for the function keys ever. And again no use of alt which is the bane of my existence in video games.
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United States1617 Posts
Is grey = black in this picture?
I tend to think that what's most efficient will vary from person to person and that regardless of what's most comfortable, what's best will basically just be what you practice at the most, but this is interesting information.
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Off topic, I realize....but why do you say it isn't "larvae, it's larva. It's phonetic."? Larvae is just the plural of larva...
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On May 02 2012 12:34 JaKaTaK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 11:58 SirPsychoMantis wrote:
I want to note that when I switched to Darkgrid it took me about a month / 35 games to get back to my old APM / larva spawning ratio (according to Sc2gears). Although I did write a trainer program to help me memorize the hotkeys.
Also I was low diamond at the time.
EDIT: Also I love the mouse keys (work great on the Deathadder) so I'll be sticking with Darkgrid, but maybe if there is a lot of demand I could adapt my program to also work with this layout. A trainer program??? What was that like? What did you do do? What i mean to say is... Can you elaborate?
Here is my thread about it, Problem right now is I use the specific unit groupings for darkgrid.
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On May 02 2012 12:45 JaKaTaK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 12:43 Akamu wrote:
Hey high/mid masters T here. I'm giving this a shot over the next couple weeks. But im having trouble finding how to select all idle workers? Maybe im just herp derping but how do i do that?
I have never used that, or found a use for that? What do you use it for if you're high/mid masters?? (forgive my ignorance, i really thought it was a useless key)
The select idle workers key is great if you have to spread workers out due to harassment, or just easily grab all workers if you let a base mine out completely. When I offrace as terran I also use the idle worker key to easily select my Supply Depot building SCVs as soon as they finish building a supply depot without having to waste a whole control group on them.
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Tagged and changed title.
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Very interesting, I will definitely be looking into this when I have more time.
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So, what are the benefits of hotkeying rax/fact/port on 1 hotkey as opposed to hotkeying them on 3 keys? I've always used 3 keys and i think pressing 7dd or 6s is faster than tabbing thru the groups. I find this crucial when macro while microing. So what do you think?
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Hey JaKaTaK, i just messed around with this on a few comp stomps, and I have to say - this is genius work :D nice job. I can already feel that I'm gonna be a lot quicker and have more control over my gameplay. As I've been struggling a bit with losing my hands on the keyboard for a while now, this is gonna help me a lot. I'll keep playing with it for a while and see what it does for me in ladder games.
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Hi,
very interesting and thanks for your effort. I dont know if I should try it as i am playing with the other setup for such a long time now (>12 years if you take my bw background into account where at least the 1a2a3a4a etc hasn't changed). But on the other training your brain with new things is always good. The hard part would be really learning it cause I usually have only time for 5-10 games a month (!) :-).
Anyways, I still have a question about the screen hotkeys. I have to admit (it's embarrassing i know :-)) that i dont use any screen hotkeys at all, mainly relying on clicking on the minimap or pressing the space bar (which really can be a pain in the ass, I agree), but I'd like to. So, you say for zerg that you use 1 and tab for "creep cam/rally point". Unfortunately, I don't understand exactly what you mean by this. Could you elaborate a bit more? Are you resetting them all the time? creep spread is quite wide. where would be one spot to focus on? rally point?
Last question: HOTS will be out soon, don't you fear that your setup becomes somewhat obsolete then? Or at least hard to adapt again? Maybe I should wait till hots comes out as i have to learn new hotkeys anyways...mmh.
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On May 02 2012 12:45 JaKaTaK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 12:43 Akamu wrote:
Hey high/mid masters T here. I'm giving this a shot over the next couple weeks. But im having trouble finding how to select all idle workers? Maybe im just herp derping but how do i do that?
I have never used that, or found a use for that? What do you use it for if you're high/mid masters?? (forgive my ignorance, i really thought it was a useless key)
wow really?! I'm quite surprised. I use it often, if i forget to shift click any workers back to minerals after building things or if a base mines out. I would normally just hit CTRL+ F1 and have them all selected and tell them where i want them to go.
Couldn't i in theory just keep it like that since i'm not using F1 in this current set up?
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On May 02 2012 14:00 HyDr0iD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 12:45 JaKaTaK wrote:On May 02 2012 12:43 Akamu wrote:
Hey high/mid masters T here. I'm giving this a shot over the next couple weeks. But im having trouble finding how to select all idle workers? Maybe im just herp derping but how do i do that?
I have never used that, or found a use for that? What do you use it for if you're high/mid masters?? (forgive my ignorance, i really thought it was a useless key) The select idle workers key is great if you have to spread workers out due to harassment, or just easily grab all workers if you let a base mine out completely. When I offrace as terran I also use the idle worker key to easily select my Supply Depot building SCVs as soon as they finish building a supply depot without having to waste a whole control group on them.
Oh, I didn't see this before. But YES! Select one or even ALL Idle worker hotkeys (F1 and STRG+F1) is really really important! But as long as it stays on F1 everything is fine. Did you change it or get rid of it?
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This would almost be good if you put camera-state-saves and camera state control groups in there somewhere, but you completely overlooked them. I suppose I could continue using the function keys as I do..... but If the goal is efficiency, that would eliminate the point.
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On May 02 2012 15:40 Crushgroove wrote:
This would almost be good if you put camera-state-saves and camera state control groups in there somewhere, but you completely overlooked them. I suppose I could continue using the function keys as I do..... but If the goal is efficiency, that would eliminate the point.
Aehm? He hasn't forgotten them at all? He just calls them "screen hotkeys" and they are the GREY keys. 1, tab, alt-q,alt-w,alt-a etc. ( to set them he uses shift-tab, shift-1, strg-q, strg-w etc.)
Am I missing sth?
(even though it might be confusing that he uses strg-q and shift-1 and not shift-q, shift-1 (thus changing the assignment keys)
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i cannot download it it just sends me to the google docs main page...
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On May 02 2012 16:13 Drazzzt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 15:40 Crushgroove wrote:
This would almost be good if you put camera-state-saves and camera state control groups in there somewhere, but you completely overlooked them. I suppose I could continue using the function keys as I do..... but If the goal is efficiency, that would eliminate the point. Aehm? He hasn't forgotten them at all? He just calls them "screen hotkeys" and they are the GREY keys. 1, tab, alt-q,alt-w,alt-a etc. ( to set them he uses shift-tab, shift-1, strg-q, strg-w etc.) Am I missing sth? (even though it might be confusing that he uses strg-q and shift-1 and not shift-q, shift-1 (thus changing the assignment keys)
So he uses only tab and 1 for camera? You're saying he uses all of the alt keys for that also... I didn't see that he called them "screen hotkeys", but that hardly seems more efficient to me.. Wouldn't the old way of just hitting one button to recall a camera state, instead of alt+ a button be more efficient?
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Using mouse buttons is actually faster (you can click a mouse button with one hand and press the keyboard with the other faster than doing both actions on just the keyboard) so I think it's misguided to try to make the case that this is more effective than darkgrid because this doesn't use the mouse, when it's technically the other way around.
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what do you think about jakatak, about the grid layout like stephano uses? 
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Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
I see you put a lot of effort in this and you believe its something great. I respect you for that and wish all the best.
But i am little confused. How is this better from for example grid hotkey setup? It's still ton of effort to learn (get used to it) everything, especially if i understood well, you plan on helping noobs. They can go either way to learn their hotkeys - it's still massive amount of time needed to get used to it. I think Stephano uses grid, and its efficient as hell, if i were starting all over again i would defenitely start with grid hotkey setup. Also i have to be honest, i don't really understand the whole thing about customizing hotkeys and just how efficient it is and how much it's better from regular hotkey setups. So i won't claim this is nonsense just because i don't get it. ^_^
GL with your project.
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