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Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
November 20 2012 20:02 GMT
#1121
Okay.... So i tried using filters build an im in low silver. I'm having a really hard time holding of all in's or some sort of cheesy play... what do i do??? Id really like some help...
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bigtabs
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany51 Posts
November 20 2012 20:15 GMT
#1122
Honestly in low silver you shouldn't be worrying when you get cheesed. Just move on to the next game and keep focusing on hitting the benchmarks.

If you are seriously losing to cheese 2 out of every 3 games then show us some replays. Your question is a bit vague as there are a ton of different things that can hit and at different times.

You've not even said if you play zerg or terran.
Faldinerous
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States62 Posts
November 20 2012 20:17 GMT
#1123
I think you have to be a lot more specific as to which kinds of all ins and cheese you're having trouble with. I know personally I have issues with 4 gates and roach rushes, but that's mostly because I'm slow at getting my SCVs to the bunker in time to repair it. (If they get the repair off it's easy)

That being said, one thing I started doing is instead of getting the 2 tech labs and reactor at the same time I start a reactor then when it's done I get the tech lab and another reactor. (I like 2 reactors and a tech lab) Doing it this way works out with a few less marines at 10:00 for the push, but at the times where a rush might come I'm not sitting there with no unit producing structures and no matter what can make marines 2 at a time.
"i should have warmed up against the AI 1st... getting beaten by such a noob is embarassing"
crow_mw
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland115 Posts
November 21 2012 10:43 GMT
#1124
On November 21 2012 05:02 Riner1212 wrote:
Okay.... So i tried using filters build an im in low silver. I'm having a really hard time holding of all in's or some sort of cheesy play... what do i do??? Id really like some help...


As stated above the question is too generic. However there are many tips throughout Filters videos. For starters a very important thing to practice when holding all-ins is pulling your natural SCVs.
BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
November 21 2012 10:54 GMT
#1125
I'd like to add, when your scout worker gets to the opponents base and doesn't see an expansion, you might want to add 1 or 2 bunkers. You're ahead in eco and can still sell the bunkers, so it doesn't matter too much, but most cheeses are a lot easier to defend imo.
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ShadowBumble
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands87 Posts
November 21 2012 10:55 GMT
#1126
I just wanted to thank you for the effort you put in to make the video's i am not done yet watching them all but i have been away for a year from SC2 and it helps a lot in getting back to my old playing level.
All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
dproberts55
Profile Joined July 2012
15 Posts
November 21 2012 17:07 GMT
#1127
Thanks Filter for you Zerg guide!!! After a frustrating few months figuring out why I sucked so bad I finally get SC2 thanks to you. I looked into fancy builds, unit compositions, tips and tricks, as well as the oft heard advice, "Macro more!" Which means nothing to a noobie btw, it's like saying, "Play better!." I was lucky to find your guide. Went 5-0 last night in my Silver league play. SC2 is a totally different game now. I'm almost in denial that I was really as bad as my opponents were last night. I routinely had 3X the amount of supply as my opponent when I went out to attack. My opponents generally just quit once they saw how many roaches I had (except that blasted terran who made me chase all his flying buildings down with hydras). I no longer "fear" what my opponent is going to do. I no longer build premature armies to be "safe" I just focus on solid macro play. The big thing I noticed now that I get SC2 is people in bronze and silver just do stuff for no reason, so there already crippled income is kicked down even more. For example got my natural "blocked" by a supply depot, so I killed it once my lings were out. I was expecting some aggressive all in follow through since my expansion was slightly delayed, nope... I just went with the normal benchmarks and and swarmed him with 3X his supply at about 12 minutes, no problem Sure he had turtled in with like 5 tanks, but 60 roaches can handle that. Thanks!
asdf3455
Profile Joined November 2012
23 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-25 10:17:08
November 25 2012 10:15 GMT
#1128
On November 14 2012 23:23 Lexity wrote:
Can you post the replay of the game where you got 54 SCVs by 10 minutes?


It is possible, first CC can build 33 SCVs (600s - 35s orbital upgrade/17). Second CC can start at 3:30 (if you don't lose mining time with walloff) that means orbital will finish at 5:45 and build 255/17 = 15 SCVs.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
November 26 2012 14:20 GMT
#1129
Wanted to be yet another person to thank Filter for this guide and give a quick tell of my story.

I'm a terran who has played the game since beta, played a good amount in seasons 1-3. Was a masters player, but always more strategic/micro oriented and not very macro heavy. From seasons 4 the amount of time I had to play was significantly curtailed (that's what a career will do to you!). During that time when I did play I tried to improve myself mechanically. I brought my APM up from 110 apm/70 eapm (real time) to 160/105, but didn't really know what to do with the extra apm. The first 6 months of 2012 I didn't play at all, but sometime during July I started playing again. I recovered my faster APM pretty quickly back to ~160/90 but was badly out of touch with the game, and my mechanics were really rusty, I fell to platinum. Beyond that I found that I really couldn't increase my apm any further, 160 was about my limit, not that it mattered I had the mechanics of a 90 APM player. A week ago I found your guide and started working on it. Watched first 2 eps, then tried some custom games vs AI. By 2nd game I was able to hit the bronze stats, and I noticed that my eapm shot right back to 105. Watched the next 4 videos, went back to some AI games. Hit the silver/gold goals within ~3 games vs AI. I went to the ladder, messed up the build first game and lost. Won the next 6 games, they weren't even close. I couldn't do as well as I could vs AI, but after each game on ladder I got closer. Over the long thanksgiving holiday weekend I got to watch/play some. I watched the scouting and taking a 3rd platinum level videos. I've played 2 games vs AI, first game didn't do great. Second game I didn't do that good but not awful. Hit all the sub 10 minute goals. Maxed out by 15:00, with 2-1 @ 14:15 or so. Played ~3 games on ladder, rolled over people. Now playing diamonds exclusively.. I finish them all with the 10 min push or the first follow-up (excluding cheese games). People are really bm about it when you have much more solid mechanics than they do. My apm has effortlessly (again real apm) climbed to like 175/110.

Your "teach a man to fish" style is excellent. A few weeks before your videos I watched Apollo's terran videos. I found them useful, but I find your style to have improved my play much more. Thanks for the help.. someday maybe I'll see you on ladder (....someday).
devilrob
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany2 Posts
November 27 2012 10:23 GMT
#1130
hi filter,

thank you for that amazing guide!

before that i was am mid silver player, i read many many guides about strategies and bo's. but i never had a focus on the basic mechanics.

now after one and a half week practising and watching your guides (i'm at episode 8) i improved my play a lot. i am in the best 10 players of gold now and i think there is a little bit room for more :-)

my next focus is scouting and trying the basic things better and better in every game.

thank you thank you thank you! :-)))
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
November 27 2012 14:57 GMT
#1131
Indeed a big thx!

Since yesterday im 13 wins to 3 losses. i lost due to inexperience with a cannon and reaperrush. Its a fine result for a beginner
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Sweetfrost
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden213 Posts
November 27 2012 16:56 GMT
#1132
Thanks. I'm taking a beating on the ladder right now! I need something like this to work on my mechanics and get better again! Thanks for making these videos! They are really keeping me in the game right now!
Before practice, we ate Kimchi soup made my MMA. His cooking has made me so depressed that I think we may lose GSTL." -Miya
probeater
Profile Joined October 2012
124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 21:17:29
November 27 2012 21:14 GMT
#1133
low level (gold) toss here

just wanted to say even though this is a terran tutorial it taught me what macro really is. Before that I saw no problem in my macro, now I realize how bad I am. Even though I admit my macro is still bad, it has improved a lot and I can see where to improve. Filter's tutorial (macro) + dApollo's new tutorial (strats, BOs, etc. for toss) = excellent combination for low level tosses like me
once again as everyone has been saying; thank you filter for your effort and contributions
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BBoyXELAnt
Profile Joined August 2012
United States22 Posts
November 28 2012 03:02 GMT
#1134
These are definitely working!! I'm currently in bronze, and I'm on the silver league mechanics section because my matchups are against silver players. I feel comfortable with the benchmarks discussed in the video, all the way up to Video 4. I can hit 50 scv's get my expansion at 3:45, get my fact an starport in time and push out at 10:00 (and win most of the time). Would it be more beneficial if I kept working on these benchmarks until I reach gold league? Or since I feel comfortable with these mechanics so far, should I move on to the Gold section of this series?
My favorite part about Starcraft 2 is ctrl click Supply Depots + R. They all go down at once :D
Qube
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada46 Posts
November 28 2012 12:53 GMT
#1135
I just found out the really cool map on "Arcade" named "filterSC".

It's a kind of YABOT map which you can set to Bronze, Silver or Gold benchmarks.

I used it quite a few times yesterday and it helped a lot! I hit the 2nd CC, Factory and Starport time, but can't get to 50SCVs @10:00 and 100 food army @10:00. I know the results pop when you hit the 10minute mark but they disappear quite fast so I can't see my results.

I know I'm like 2-4 SCVs shy of 50 and I need something like 10 supply more for army. But I'm getting faster for sure and can get better reflexes. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to hit those benchmarks pretty soon! As soon as I hit these, I go on the ladder, ready to get some wins !!
bluebereft
Profile Joined November 2012
Singapore13 Posts
November 28 2012 15:04 GMT
#1136
On November 28 2012 21:53 Qube wrote:
I just found out the really cool map on "Arcade" named "filterSC".

It's a kind of YABOT map which you can set to Bronze, Silver or Gold benchmarks.

I used it quite a few times yesterday and it helped a lot! I hit the 2nd CC, Factory and Starport time, but can't get to 50SCVs @10:00 and 100 food army @10:00. I know the results pop when you hit the 10minute mark but they disappear quite fast so I can't see my results.

I know I'm like 2-4 SCVs shy of 50 and I need something like 10 supply more for army. But I'm getting faster for sure and can get better reflexes. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to hit those benchmarks pretty soon! As soon as I hit these, I go on the ladder, ready to get some wins !!


wow that sounds really useful. does anyone have any idea how i could get a similar map for use on the SEA server?
Qube
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada46 Posts
November 28 2012 15:09 GMT
#1137
On November 29 2012 00:04 bluebereft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 21:53 Qube wrote:
I just found out the really cool map on "Arcade" named "filterSC".

It's a kind of YABOT map which you can set to Bronze, Silver or Gold benchmarks.

I used it quite a few times yesterday and it helped a lot! I hit the 2nd CC, Factory and Starport time, but can't get to 50SCVs @10:00 and 100 food army @10:00. I know the results pop when you hit the 10minute mark but they disappear quite fast so I can't see my results.

I know I'm like 2-4 SCVs shy of 50 and I need something like 10 supply more for army. But I'm getting faster for sure and can get better reflexes. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to hit those benchmarks pretty soon! As soon as I hit these, I go on the ladder, ready to get some wins !!


wow that sounds really useful. does anyone have any idea how i could get a similar map for use on the SEA server?


Did you try to search for it, in "Arcade"? I thought it was available for all servers.... hmmm
ILosethenOP
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States25 Posts
November 28 2012 17:44 GMT
#1138
After being distracted by Black Ops II and Diablo III I fired up SC2 again last night. My mechanics are slowly growing better and I can more consistently be at 50 scv/100 food to push at 10 minutes. 90 percent of the time I am up to 25-40 food when I push. Most times I easily roll through and get an easy W. Other times I have made poor decisions and lost most of my army. Generally, if I macro'd while attacking I am ok. I usually can push again and easily get a GG.

I am thinking of posting a few replays for analysis. Is that acceptable?

The problem that I have run into is against P players. Lately, I have seen a large number of proxy (in base or natural) style plays. Generally, the in base stuff is pretty easy to shut down. Where I have struggled is when they create cannons or gateways in or near my natural before I can expand. What should my play be here?

My reaction has been to continue my build as normal but the CC is created inside my main and I rally the SCV's to the main resource patch. I generally wait until I have 3 rax and 2-3 production cycles to move out and clear the natural. I then expand out and play as normal. For the most part this seems to work and I feel like I am way ahead econ wise.
dproberts55
Profile Joined July 2012
15 Posts
November 28 2012 18:52 GMT
#1139
I was crushing my Terran opponent on workers and food last night and lost all my roaches to like 8 siege tanks. What are you Zerg players doing if a terran is going mass tanks and is turtleing up? Wait for them to advance? Nydus? Infestors? Drops? BL? BL and Infestors would take a while, and I want to take advantage of my upgrades and supply. Also waiting for them to advance could take a while too, and Nydus is hit and miss. Any thoughts? I did see an episode I believe it was Zerg #3 where filter went up against tanks, but he caught a bunch out in the open. The ones I faced were behind all clumped together behind a barracks and a bunker next to it
MikeyH
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States44 Posts
November 28 2012 21:58 GMT
#1140
I went against that earlier today. I was able to catch him out of position at one point and destroy some tanks, but he was still really well defended. There wasn't anything for it except to expand, set up a nice contain, and go for Brood Lords. I just parked my Roaches, some Corruptors, and a Overseer outside his base and made sure he didn't get a third. Make sure to get some Overlords on the sides of his base to watch for drops. glhf!
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