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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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DownfallofChaos
United States11 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:04 superbarnie wrote: I'm silver and I have 100 apm. I always thought diamond players should have atleast 150 apm. I'm high diamond/low master in 1v1 and mid-master 2v2 and I only have 90 APM if you measure actions in real minutes (as given by sc2gears) or 60 APM in Blizzard's odd system. I make almost no redundant actions (3% according to sc2gears). I just click all of the right buttons, once, and plan ahead as Tyler suggests. -Kris | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
I dunno which race you are (maybe terran but I am not sure if your icon is a SCV or some BW unit I don't know), but if you are terran you can try in TvZ : 2 rax (it will improve your marine/scv production thus frequent usage of Rax & CC hotkeys, macro awareness by trying to put down the command center ASAP while still applying the pressure, and some micro), standart reactor hellion build but this time focus on NOT losing your hellions while still macroing correctly (it will help improving your minimap and overall awareness), and this "MMA" build MKP has been using against DRG on antiga shipyard in the latest MLG, basically 1rax FE to double gas asap to reactor hellion to cloacked banshee (not sure of the 3rd CC timing but you can even put it down quickly), you'll have to manage both hellions and banshee harassment/tumor farming while having to put down the barracks at the right time. For TvP I guess you can try out the hellion variation of the 1-1-1 (3 or 4 hellion + 8 marine medivac drop, you can drop the marines in the back or the hellions) which involves managing two sides, plus when playing a standart TvP splitting army with drops to attack two places (or more) at once, etc, basically making good use of drops. Oh and the most important thing is that you'll have to not give a shit about winning your games, because you'll probably do a lot of mistakes trying to multitask at first causing you to lose, but in the end you'll become better & have a better multitask much much faster. | ||
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MugenXBanksy
United States479 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:29 Poopi wrote: I think that you should start spamming a bit at the beginning, play mostly agressive builds forcing you to multitask hard and overall play a lot of games. I dunno which race you are (maybe terran but I am not sure if your icon is a SCV or some BW unit I don't know), but if you are terran you can try in TvZ : 2 rax (it will improve your marine/scv production thus frequent usage of Rax & CC hotkeys, macro awareness by trying to put down the command center ASAP while still applying the pressure, and some micro), standart reactor hellion build but this time focus on NOT losing your hellions while still macroing correctly (it will help improving your minimap and overall awareness), and this "MMA" build MKP has been using against DRG on antiga shipyard in the latest MLG, basically 1rax FE to double gas asap to reactor hellion to cloacked banshee (not sure of the 3rd CC timing but you can even put it down quickly), you'll have to manage both hellions and banshee harassment/tumor farming while having to put down the barracks at the right time. For TvP I guess you can try out the hellion variation of the 1-1-1 (3 or 4 hellion + 8 marine medivac drop, you can drop the marines in the back or the hellions) which involves managing two sides, plus when playing a standart TvP splitting army with drops to attack two places (or more) at once, etc, basically making good use of drops. Oh and the most important thing is that you'll have to not give a shit about winning your games, because you'll probably do a lot of mistakes trying to multitask at first causing you to lose, but in the end you'll become better & have a better multitask much much faster. This is very good advice. | ||
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StevieWonder333
55 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:22 ZenithM wrote: 60 APM is good enough man, no need to push yourself too hard. lol u for real | ||
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StevieWonder333
55 Posts
Yea i was just thinking that after reading it. I play protoss but this sounds like fun. | ||
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LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
my decisionmaking and all sucks. i am silver and i have about 80 apm too. i am way faster but always loose for some reason. no shit. | ||
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AKomrade
United States582 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104910 - BW guide on mechanics (applies to present) http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/stet_tcl/How_to_Improve_by_Ver.pdf - Ver's guide to improvement. Section dedicated to multitasking fleshes out triage example. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
http://drop.sc/158630 Just x8 this shit until the end and look at Blue's EPM and APM. Yep, that guy had sick hand speed indeed. Multitask? Well I don't know about that... | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:22 ZenithM wrote: 60 APM is good enough man, no need to push yourself too hard. Oh if the OP is protoss, then the eAPM "goal" won't be the same. What I mean is that for a pro that average 150 to 170 eAPM as terran/zerg (eAPM not apm) he will probably be around 120-130 eapm as protoss (cf sc2gears "experiments") because of how the race works (doesn't produce a lot of units so you don't gain that much apm by producing units, etc). So 60 eAPM would not be that bad (eAPM not apm, just check your eAPM in sc2gears it'll be easier) but an average good protoss eapm would be something like 100 I guess? Since you are protoss my previous advices don't apply, so try builds & playstyle à la Liquid`Hero (and maybe ZeNEXSickness not sure about him). However eAPM doesn't mean much especially when talking about awareness, for example I only started using reactor hellions based builds recently (around the time ling infestor became popular), therefore my awareness with hellions against lings in the early game was quite shitty, but my apm was the same and it had nothing to do with apm, just that since I didn't use these builds previously my mind wasn't used enough to be "aware" & careful with the hellions. This is why gaining better multitask with agressive builds won't mean that you'll be as good with standart play, but it will help you play standart better especially when you'll be used to it. Gl. | ||
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Lionbacker
United States47 Posts
You do not spam, so I will provide my thoughts on APM. The more you play, the better your APM will become. Instead of trying to increase it, you should try to decrease it. Sounds silly eh? They got it right when they came out with EPM, effective actions per minute. People got all upset though because their spam no longer counted! Remember, "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." Only click as fast as you can kill your opponent or do something effective. The more you play, the more you will find your APM increasing when it matters the most, engaging the enemy and macroing simultaneously. As long as you see your APM getting cranked up during those times you are probably improving. People love their APM, but the only stat that matters are WINS. I agree with checking with day9. He provides a lot of drills in his newbie tuesday file. Good luck on your development. | ||
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StevieWonder333
55 Posts
On April 13 2012 09:29 Lionbacker wrote: Neurologically, spamming at the beginning of a game does NOT make you are more effective starcraft 2 player. It does not "warm" you up. Perhaps, the biggest misconception ever. I am not a superstar starcraft 2 player, but my real-life profession does require me to know a few things about it! People's lives depend on it. You naturally warm up as you play the game, going from less than 10 supply all the way up to 200! You do not spam, so I will provide my thoughts on APM. The more you play, the better your APM will become. Instead of trying to increase it, you should try to decrease it. Sounds silly eh? They got it right when they came out with EPM, effective actions per minute. People got all upset though because their spam no longer counted! Remember, "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." Only click as fast as you can kill your opponent or do something effective. The more you play, the more you will find your APM increasing when it matters the most, engaging the enemy and macroing simultaneously. As long as you see your APM getting cranked up during those times you are probably improving. People love their APM, but the only stat that matters are WINS. I agree with checking with day9. He provides a lot of drills in his newbie tuesday file. Good luck on your development. Yea I share your view. Thanks. | ||
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Fugue
Australia253 Posts
One of the reasons I enjoy Starcraft is that there is always something you need to be doing. Macro, Tech, Creep spread, army movement, scouting, etc... I don't think I've seen anyone playing who has time to sit around doing nothing. It just doesn't happen. So my focus for "multitasking and mechanics" improvement is finding the most efficient ways to do everything. It can be hard to get into new habits and break old ones (I still don't regularly do larvae injects the way I should, for example), but analysing different methods, practicing them, and settling on those that work and feel comfortable (even if there's a long period of discomfort as you adjust) will lead to more efficient play, which leads to more times when you feel like you've done everything you have to, which leads to more space for you to fill with actions that have a lesser priority. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On April 13 2012 05:03 LayZRR wrote: my decisionmaking and all sucks. i am silver and i have about 80 apm too. i am way faster but always loose for some reason. no shit. You can have the most terrible decision making and still win every game with 80 APM in silver.. I assume you guys either lie or you prefer spamclicking over actually doing something. | ||
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PeanutsNJam
United States175 Posts
On April 13 2012 09:29 Lionbacker wrote: Neurologically, spamming at the beginning of a game does NOT make you are more effective starcraft 2 player. It does not "warm" you up. Perhaps, the biggest misconception ever. I am not a superstar starcraft 2 player, but my real-life profession does require me to know a few things about it! People's lives depend on it. You naturally warm up as you play the game, going from less than 10 supply all the way up to 200! You do not spam, so I will provide my thoughts on APM. The more you play, the better your APM will become. Instead of trying to increase it, you should try to decrease it. Sounds silly eh? They got it right when they came out with EPM, effective actions per minute. People got all upset though because their spam no longer counted! Remember, "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." Only click as fast as you can kill your opponent or do something effective. The more you play, the more you will find your APM increasing when it matters the most, engaging the enemy and macroing simultaneously. As long as you see your APM getting cranked up during those times you are probably improving. People love their APM, but the only stat that matters are WINS. I agree with checking with day9. He provides a lot of drills in his newbie tuesday file. Good luck on your development. Quote's from the movie Sniper. Give credit where credit is due. | ||
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StevieWonder333
55 Posts
On April 13 2012 09:29 Lionbacker wrote: Neurologically, spamming at the beginning of a game does NOT make you are more effective starcraft 2 player. It does not "warm" you up. Perhaps, the biggest misconception ever. I am not a superstar starcraft 2 player, but my real-life profession does require me to know a few things about it! People's lives depend on it. You naturally warm up as you play the game, going from less than 10 supply all the way up to 200! You do not spam, so I will provide my thoughts on APM. The more you play, the better your APM will become. Instead of trying to increase it, you should try to decrease it. Sounds silly eh? They got it right when they came out with EPM, effective actions per minute. People got all upset though because their spam no longer counted! Remember, "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." Only click as fast as you can kill your opponent or do something effective. The more you play, the more you will find your APM increasing when it matters the most, engaging the enemy and macroing simultaneously. As long as you see your APM getting cranked up during those times you are probably improving. People love their APM, but the only stat that matters are WINS. I agree with checking with day9. He provides a lot of drills in his newbie tuesday file. Good luck on your development. oh, but neurologically, spamming won't "warm you up". but physiologically, moving your fingers definitely warms up your hands. | ||
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HybridZ
Canada103 Posts
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PeanutsNJam
United States175 Posts
On April 14 2012 02:57 HybridZ wrote: A silver with 100 apm MUST be doing a lOt of useless shit. I've seen plats with horrid horrid macrO bc they spam ingame and don't focus on what's most important. Then a lot of them will get mad at you for telling them to Pay more attention to your hatches. I guess they want to feel gosu lol. Maybe he's boxing his workers when he should be making depots/pylons/overlords or something. For 40 seconds. Or more. | ||
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