On April 13 2012 09:29 Lionbacker wrote: Neurologically, spamming at the beginning of a game does NOT make you are more effective starcraft 2 player. It does not "warm" you up. Perhaps, the biggest misconception ever. I am not a superstar starcraft 2 player, but my real-life profession does require me to know a few things about it! People's lives depend on it. You naturally warm up as you play the game, going from less than 10 supply all the way up to 200!
You do not spam, so I will provide my thoughts on APM. The more you play, the better your APM will become. Instead of trying to increase it, you should try to decrease it. Sounds silly eh? They got it right when they came out with EPM, effective actions per minute. People got all upset though because their spam no longer counted!
Remember, "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." Only click as fast as you can kill your opponent or do something effective. The more you play, the more you will find your APM increasing when it matters the most, engaging the enemy and macroing simultaneously. As long as you see your APM getting cranked up during those times you are probably improving.
People love their APM, but the only stat that matters are WINS.
I agree with checking with day9. He provides a lot of drills in his newbie tuesday file.
Good luck on your development.
How does spamming at the beginning not warm you up? When i watch professional people doing there thing, be it playing the piano, running a marathon or a card dealer I see them all warming up in the early stages, before the main act. So not only are you attacking the SC2 community here, but everything that containst an activity at which you can warm up. What makes SC2 different from everything else, that its the only task in the world that doesn't increase your effectiveness? Becaus it cearly works for every other field.
I'd also like to point out your statement:"You naturally warm up as you play the game, going from less than 10 supply all the way up to 200!" The problem here is that you're warming up while the main event is taking place. When its over you're all warmed up but hey, then its too late because they game is already over, so what was the point in warming up?
Warming up gets the blood to flow around the body, limbering joints and stretching the muscles and connective tissue. Maybe it doesn't do anything neurologically, but i have never seen anybody say that it did while using the word neurologically. So why is it a misconception that warming up works neurologically, when nobody states it as such?
Also, what is it that you do exactly that makes you an expert on this topic?. You only tell us that you're one, but you're causing more doubt than anything else just by saying "other peoples lifes depend on it."
I know for certain that it helps physically, and while i'm no expert on this, i can from my own experience that it also works mentally. I know this from personal expierence, through running, jujitsu and my gaming experience. My results just increase when i warm up.
Does a lion stretch and warm up before it strikes? I've never seen it. Stupid lions...
Do you think SEALs do jumping jacks or a dynamic warm up before they jump out of a plane 35,000 feet above sea level over the persian gulf where it is pitch black and -35 degrees below zero? No, but the moment their boots hit the ground they begin executing, and just like many other special forces, they execute to the razor's edge of perfection. Stupid SEALs...
You see the pro's do it? Pro's are the best players on the planet, but correlation does not mean causation. They are not good because they spam. Yes, there is a minimum amount of APM required to be successful. However, spamming does NOT warm you up and it does NOT make you a more effective player. Warm up? You playing in sub artic conditions? When somebody intends on hurting you and your loved ones, are you going to ask them to warm up before you impose your jiu jitsu techniques on them? If you can't execute to perfection without pyschologically "warming up" you are in trouble.
If anything, spamming is counterproductive. You are wasting motions. Your clicks are not effective. Every bullet you shoot should be a hit. Every click you take should be effective.
Don't blindly follow something that the majority of people are doing. That is a dangerous habit to develop. Critical thinking skills are essential.
Everybody thought the sun revolved around the Earth. That was the consensus. One guy didn't. As more information was revealed it was discovered that the Earth revolved around the Sun!
I enjoy this conversation. Thanks for letting me be part of it. Take care.
At least my personal experience, spam-selecting workers and cycling hotkeys in the opening minute or so of the game when there isn't a whole lot to do helps my overall game a lot. Especially the first few games of the day. Seems to help pretty much every aspect of my game, from micro to macro.
On April 14 2012 07:55 Lionbacker wrote: Does a lion stretch and warm up before it strikes? I've never seen it. Stupid lions...
Do you think SEALs do jumping jacks or a dynamic warm up before they jump out of a plane 35,000 feet above sea level over the persian gulf where it is pitch black and -35 degrees below zero? No, but the moment their boots hit the ground they begin executing, and just like many other special forces, they execute to the razor's edge of perfection. Stupid SEALs...
You see the pro's do it? Pro's are the best players on the planet, but correlation does not mean causation. They are not good because they spam. Yes, there is a minimum amount of APM required to be successful. However, spamming does NOT warm you up and it does NOT make you a more effective player. Warm up? You playing in sub artic conditions? When somebody intends on hurting you and your loved ones, are you going to ask them to warm up before you impose your jiu jitsu techniques on them? If you can't execute to perfection without pyschologically "warming up" you are in trouble.
If anything, spamming is counterproductive. You are wasting motions. Your clicks are not effective. Every bullet you shoot should be a hit. Every click you take should be effective.
Don't blindly follow something that the majority of people are doing. That is a dangerous habit to develop. Critical thinking skills are essential.
Everybody thought the sun revolved around the Earth. That was the consensus. One guy didn't. As more information was revealed it was discovered that the Earth revolved around the Sun!
I enjoy this conversation. Thanks for letting me be part of it. Take care.
On April 14 2012 07:55 Lionbacker wrote: Does a lion stretch and warm up before it strikes? I've never seen it. Stupid lions...
Hahaha,now you have.
On April 14 2012 07:55 Lionbacker wrote:If anything, spamming is counterproductive. You are wasting motions. Your clicks are not effective. Every bullet you shoot should be a hit. Every click you take should be effective.
Stating such can only be true when you're perfect, we are not machines. if you're not then practice.
On April 14 2012 07:55 Lionbacker wrote:When somebody intends on hurting you and your loved ones, are you going to ask them to warm up before you impose your jiu jitsu techniques on them? If you can't execute to perfection without pyschologically "warming up" you are in trouble.
Even at my best i'm not perfect, surpised? Ah wait let me turn this one around for you. When you wake up every morning. Do you instantly put on your clothes, take a shower, shave, brush your teeth without that a little down time that everybody else has? I bet you do! Because everything seems perfect in your world.
On April 14 2012 07:55 Lionbacker wrote:Don't blindly follow something that the majority of people are doing. That is a dangerous habit to develop. Critical thinking skills are essential.
Didn't i just told you that not only have i noticed other players do it. But i also experienced its effects myself. So why are you putting that statement out there, trying to look smart? To me it looks like you didn't read correctly.
Here, i'll be smart: Everybody thought that jumping off a cliff would kill you, but hey "but correlation does not mean causation" one guy said... What you never heard of him? I'm not suprised.
I want these 2 questions answered: 1: Why is it a misconception that warming up works neurologically, when nobody states it as such?
2: Taken from Wikipedia, oh how reliable am i hahaha.
A warm-up: Benefits Direct physical effects are:
- Release of adrenaline - Increased heart rate - Enables oxygen in the blood to travel with greater speed - Increased production of synovial fluid located between the joints to reduce friction - Allows joints to move more efficiently - Dilation of capillaries - Enables oxygen in the blood to travel at a higher volume - Increase of temperature in the muscles - Decreased viscosity of blood - Enables oxygen in the blood to travel with greater speed - Facilitates enzyme activity - Encourages the dissociation of oxygen from haemoglobin - Decreased viscosity[clarification needed] within the muscle - Greater extensibility and elasticity of muscle fibres - Increased force and speed of contraction - Increase of muscle metabolism - Supply of energy through breakdown of glycogen - Increase in speed of nerve impulse conduction - Removes lactic acid
It seems to me that you're very booksmart, using statments as perfection, 1 shot 1 kill, don't waste a single motion. Yeah hahaha very cool, i wish i was like that. But i'm no machine, and while i can execute at any time, it doesn't make me optimized while doing it. What kind of sports do you do? What kind of activity's do you engage yourself in? Aside from SC2, which you stated in your earlier posts you're not good at. I ask this because if you cannot provide me with anything real, to me you're just putting theory in the table without the practical experience to back any of it up.
EPT
