[G] Rushing Relentlessly: A Guide to Zerg vs Zerg - Page 2

On February 09 2012 08:51 lindn wrote:
Oh look, another all in guide from the infamous Tang.

Standard stuff as usual.

On February 09 2012 08:26 TangSC wrote:

That's a bit of a silly comment, considering the replays are all against top-notch master/GM players. This is not a build that can easily be stopped, assuming your execution is solid.

On February 09 2012 09:08 Br3ezy wrote:

never heard of like any of the players in the replays. Also by top-notch, do you mean top tier or just respectable players because theres a big difference between the two

On February 09 2012 08:43 Angel_ wrote:
This actually seems like a good place to ask this:

Why is it that there are only two zerg players I can think of that don't treat thier play as, "I must be as greedy as humanly possible"? Why are there no zerg players that get some drones, and then units, or spend some of thier larva on workers, and some on units, instead of this I SHALL GET 80 DRONES AND THEN MAKE UNITS UNLESS I HAVE TO MAKE UNITS BEFORE HAND? Why are no zerg players just happy at less than 50 for a while and getting more later? And secondly why are there not a lot of zerg players that relentlessly make sure they never have 7 larva at any hatch for more than a few seconds, and just play hyper aggressive all game long. The only one close to that I can think of is....Julyzerg.

And don't answer "Because that's the way that zerg has to play". That's a stupid answer. It's certainly A way to play, but it isn't THE way.

On February 09 2012 08:53 TangSC wrote:

In theory, you can transition after the first ling push - or the roach ling for the matter - into whichever macro style you like. It's my personal preference to continue attacking, but that's just my play style. I'm sure there will be players who prefer to transition into standard play.

On February 09 2012 09:17 Depetrify wrote:


Take into account the travel distance and they can have more drones while being safe. gg

On February 09 2012 09:20 TangSC wrote:

Sure, if you want to over-simplify things and focus only on the negative lol you could also say you're guaranteed to gain map control, do damage, and potentially even end the game. I mean sure there's always the chance you'll mess up and run a ling into a bunch of banelings and end up a bit behind, but for the most part there are a lot of advantages to having zerglings out on the field early, especially because you're SO safe to all-ins. Also, what I like most about the admittedly low-econ transition in the guide is that if you're planning to go for a roach/ling attack later, those extra lings you built aren't just dead money, they're part of your timing attack.

I think if you tried it a couple times, you'd find you can do anything you want after the opening pressure - and you might like the advantages of an aggressive opening more than you'd think, even if your goal is to go muta or upgraded roaches after.

On February 09 2012 09:30 Korpseflower wrote:
As a high master zerg from NA I can assure anyone reading this, that this strategy is by all means, all in. 42 speedlings that early on? I would simply make 6 banelings, and some lings while keeping my HUGE drone advantage. From there, tech to roach with my superior economy or make a couple spines and transition to muta. If you want to learn how to play the matchup this is one way NOT to learn.

On February 09 2012 08:43 Angel_ wrote:
This actually seems like a good place to ask this:

Why is it that there are only two zerg players I can think of that don't treat thier play as, "I must be as greedy as humanly possible"? Why are there no zerg players that get some drones, and then units, or spend some of thier larva on workers, and some on units, instead of this I SHALL GET 80 DRONES AND THEN MAKE UNITS UNLESS I HAVE TO MAKE UNITS BEFORE HAND? Why are no zerg players just happy at less than 50 for a while and getting more later? And secondly why are there not a lot of zerg players that relentlessly make sure they never have 7 larva at any hatch for more than a few seconds, and just play hyper aggressive all game long. The only one close to that I can think of is....Julyzerg.

And don't answer "Because that's the way that zerg has to play". That's a stupid answer. It's certainly A way to play, but it isn't THE way.

On February 09 2012 09:41 Majromax wrote:


Because that's the way Zerg has to play. *rimshot*

I'm actually serious here. Zerg is weird in that its unit production is in direct opposition to drone production. A unit now means that is one less drone now, which means fewer minerals for later. More so than any other race, having more units later means building drones now. There's no consolation for prize for having the biggest army that still dies to a push; the only good reason (for any race) to sit at <50 workers is because the minerals need to be spent in order to not die now.

The same kind of thinking applies to larva at hatcheries. A larva sitting there is one that isn't turning into a drone or unit; it's the Zerg equivalent of an empty production queue.

Your middle path -- mixing drones and units -- has been tried by pretty much every silver-league Zerg ever. It's a great way to live to the midgame, then promptly die due to a lack of stuff.