• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:52
CEST 11:52
KST 18:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event8Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? [BSL22] RO16 Group B - Saturday 21:00 CEST BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1715 users

[G] Rushing Relentlessly: A Guide to Zerg vs Zerg - Page 24

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 All
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 03 2012 17:29 GMT
#461
Moon just beat IdrA with this exact opening in game 3 of Asus ROG (Summer 2012)
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
RimJaynor
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada145 Posts
August 04 2012 06:16 GMT
#462
I'm a masters zerg player and I use this build every single time. According to SC2 Gears I win 65% of my zerg games.
I'd like to add a few tips that are really help with this build.

1. Timings. Your opening needs to be bang on.
15 pool. 15 gas. 17 Hatch. 16 Queen. 18 Overlord. 100 gas speed. Etc.
Especially at the masters level this is so important.

2. In cross spawn maps (single spawns...Cloud, daybreak, etc.) After your queens 2nd inject...try to kill you're opponents overlord, If you can. If there is an overlord over my natural as my hatchery pops that overlord is basically dead...and due to timings that is a huge supply cap for my opponent, which is very critical bc my lings usually will reach the base before the overlord is dead.

3. If you can try to sneak your slow lings as close to your opponents base as possible. Scout around with you're initial 6 lings and make a path where your lings can go unseen, and rally your reinforcing lings to them. I've won so many games where my opponent has not even reacted because the lings were so close.

4. ROACH WARREN. Roach upgrades. Put your roach warren down at the appropriate time 630ish. And don't forget to make 4-8 drones if you feel you aren't going to win. That transition can win you the game even if you lose a lot of your lings to banelings.

Anyways, been using this build for 6 months (or however old this thread is) which is funny bc I haven't faced this build more than 5 times.

Thanks TangSC

http://www.youtube.com/user/RimJaynorSCII?feature=mhum Check out my channel. Masters Zerg Player
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 04 2012 14:24 GMT
#463
On August 04 2012 15:16 RimJaynor wrote:
I'm a masters zerg player and I use this build every single time. According to SC2 Gears I win 65% of my zerg games.
I'd like to add a few tips that are really help with this build.

1. Timings. Your opening needs to be bang on.
15 pool. 15 gas. 17 Hatch. 16 Queen. 18 Overlord. 100 gas speed. Etc.
Especially at the masters level this is so important.

2. In cross spawn maps (single spawns...Cloud, daybreak, etc.) After your queens 2nd inject...try to kill you're opponents overlord, If you can. If there is an overlord over my natural as my hatchery pops that overlord is basically dead...and due to timings that is a huge supply cap for my opponent, which is very critical bc my lings usually will reach the base before the overlord is dead.

3. If you can try to sneak your slow lings as close to your opponents base as possible. Scout around with you're initial 6 lings and make a path where your lings can go unseen, and rally your reinforcing lings to them. I've won so many games where my opponent has not even reacted because the lings were so close.

4. ROACH WARREN. Roach upgrades. Put your roach warren down at the appropriate time 630ish. And don't forget to make 4-8 drones if you feel you aren't going to win. That transition can win you the game even if you lose a lot of your lings to banelings.

Anyways, been using this build for 6 months (or however old this thread is) which is funny bc I haven't faced this build more than 5 times.

Thanks TangSC


Those tips are very true. I used to kill SO many overlords with the first queen after she injects the main and moves to the expansion, then they changed overspeed so it's a bit easier to get away but it still happens. Good news: will be releasing a follow-up ZvZ guide today that goes into more detail on mid-game aggression - it will feature a similar opening to this one, as well as a more macro-oriented alternative!
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
syriuszonito
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland332 Posts
August 04 2012 14:49 GMT
#464
Nice read. Its a very powerful timing because the standard 3min gas opener will not have banes in time do defend it but if somehow your opponent gets the blings in time / buys enough time with queens on ramp you will end up way behind on econ. Its definitely a good build to have in stock but I wouldnt suggest to use it all the time
The one || My stream http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/syriuszonito
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 04 2012 20:15 GMT
#465
On August 04 2012 23:49 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a very powerful timing because the standard 3min gas opener will not have banes in time do defend it but if somehow your opponent gets the blings in time / buys enough time with queens on ramp you will end up way behind on econ.

I agree and yet disagree. Because you're skipping the minerals/gas needed to build a baneling nest and morph the banelings, often times you can be equal or above the economy of a player who opens queen wall off/baneling/zergling/spine. Most times, you do end up a bit behind if they defend well and don't overcommit.
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
kiad
Profile Joined April 2012
14 Posts
August 05 2012 22:57 GMT
#466
Some great stuff here. Thanks
htn2481
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Vietnam117 Posts
August 06 2012 14:26 GMT
#467
Good stuff, been winning my zvz's with this start. Greatly appreciated.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 07 2012 14:58 GMT
#468
Glad to hear it's working for you guys
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Prev 1 22 23 24 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 88
Ryung 37
Rex 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Rush 432
Larva 392
Killer 372
Leta 279
Soma 186
ToSsGirL 178
PianO 145
Dewaltoss 116
Hm[arnc] 78
EffOrt 78
[ Show more ]
Hyuk 41
sorry 40
Sharp 37
IntoTheRainbow 22
NotJumperer 22
Sacsri 21
yabsab 21
NaDa 17
Shine 12
Terrorterran 7
Dota 2
XaKoH 776
XcaliburYe297
monkeys_forever220
NeuroSwarm134
Counter-Strike
zeus376
Other Games
summit1g7257
singsing1653
WinterStarcraft657
B2W.Neo196
DeMusliM165
Livibee101
Railgan21
MindelVK21
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV257
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 94
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream85
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1410
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
8m
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4h 8m
BSL
9h 8m
IPSL
9h 8m
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
14h 8m
Replay Cast
23h 8m
Wardi Open
1d
Afreeca Starleague
1d
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
2 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
3 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
4 days
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.