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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2012 15:53 GMT
#21
On February 02 2012 15:50 Xapti wrote:
I just listed all the air units for completeness. Obviously a stargate isn't going to be a likely build. Hallucination is certainly obtainable for the build though. Also, while builds can tend to be all-in they are never completely all-in, since they can often times deal enough damage to equalize the game but not outright win it or lose it.
A player preparing for only the exact scenario that occurred in that game and not accounting for variations is doomed to lose again.



Of course random shit and cute variations happens in the game, but a pure blink stalker all-in with good micro is the most dangerous scenario.

Stargate/robo + blink of one base is pretty much impossible, unless it's like Master vs. Silver macro. Sure, a voidray is great. But, two queens can easily push that away, plus its only good vs buildings. An immortal is good too, but making one means you won't have enough stalkers to defend it; plus, it's only good versus buildings like the void. If you tech that much there just won't be enough stuff for a viable push. It will be 5, 6 stalkers less than if you just went pure stalkers. Plus, Zerg will have had time to make even more stuff.

Hallucination takes 80 sec 100/100 to research. You would get it after warpgate as well. At minimum, using it is a 200 gas investment, or 4 stalkers. And what would you do with it? I guess you could hallucinate a phoenix and blink into the main, but then you get surrounded by lings and die while blink is off cooldown. Again, not enough stuff.

An all-in is called an all-in because unless you emerge with a decisive advantage, you are fucked. It doesn't mean you win there necessarily. In this particular all-in, you need to kill the expansion hatchery at the very minimum. If you don't, you pretty much lost.
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NostalgiaTag
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 19:59:31
February 02 2012 19:57 GMT
#22
Currently unable to watch replay (work)

So i wont respond to your game specifically but i will tell you how i deal with a 2 base forge fast exp into 7 gate blink. (I'm masters Z)

What i do is Drone like a mo fo. Like when i see forge fast exp i take a 3rd very fast, like 25 suply point. You need to delay your lings as much as possible. Drone drone drone, then get a extra hatch if your not confident on your injections. With 3 hatch with 3 queen you should be able to sustain mass ling. I suggest delay gas till u have about 40 supply then get all 4. Get speed @100, Lair @100 then 2 evos and a roach warren soon after. Get +1 armor and +1 range damage. Drop a hydra den on lair completion and get mass ling hydra. (Try overlord scout @7:00 mark, suiside 2 if you didnt see much.)

They will prolly try push the 3rd, so have lings on the map to snipe the pylon and get a back stab if possible. When they hit maybe have a few spines if you feel worried, or blow it over lings/hydra. You really need like 60+ drones when they hit, if you dont have a good econ you will fall cause you cant keep up your production against the toss.

VERY IMPORTANT!: KEEP INJECTING! Dont tunnel vision on the battle, you need to keep your larvae supply up. If the battle starts, get in a good positiona nd go back to injections. If you go too long with out injects you WILL lose.

Good Luck!

EDIT: one other thing to keep in mind if your Gass/mineral ratio. Get 4 gass but if you find you need more minerals, take drones off gass and then return them later when you need more. Hydras are fairly expensive so you will prolly need 4+ gas to keep a good ratio of ling/hydra.
Look for the flaw that lost the game not the flaw in the game.
FairDestroyer
Profile Joined January 2011
United States50 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 20:14:13
February 02 2012 20:13 GMT
#23
I've seen Vibe destroy this type of build on his stream.

I believe he saturated 2 bases, got a macro hatch and pumped nothing but lings when the proxy pylon was being constructed.
P didn't even have a chance.
"I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts and grinding out conclusions." Darwin
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2012 22:17 GMT
#24
Wow, I got warned for saying "I didn't watch the replay".

Umm, anyways (if mods see this), I'm masters/diamond protoss, and I have used blink stalker all in quite a few times. I think that qualifies me as informed enough on the situation. Since I used the build, I am aware of its strengths and weaknesses and how to counter it.

In a way, not watching the replay first lets me give general tips about how to counter the build as he described it-- this provides a more generalized response on how to respond to this sort of strategy and its viable variations rather than super specific to the replay itself. And I did watch the replay afterwards.

@Nostalgia, so watch out if you didn't watch the replay.
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