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Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
January 27 2012 22:48 GMT
#41
Lol another cheese/all in by tang. However ts a great guide (and im terran). I saw this on the ladder a while back (high dia) and won purely becuase i was marauder hellion all inning already. I dont think idve held at all if idve macrod.
Superlemons
Profile Joined September 2010
United States6 Posts
January 27 2012 22:55 GMT
#42
Thanks i love your strategies. I would like to thank you for the time in putting it down so i dont have to be solely a drone all day til the last minute zerg.
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
January 27 2012 23:08 GMT
#43
I have to say that i prefer the drg version, (don't make roaches til 44 supply, along with a second gas) for a larger push, specifically with allowing for more games. This version can be seen blizzard cup final game 1 (along with another game i believe). The drg version has a lot more chance of having siege done, but also is bigger push.
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TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
January 27 2012 23:27 GMT
#44
On January 28 2012 08:08 Moosegills wrote:
I have to say that i prefer the drg version, (don't make roaches til 44 supply, along with a second gas) for a larger push, specifically with allowing for more games. This version can be seen blizzard cup final game 1 (along with another game i believe). The drg version has a lot more chance of having siege done, but also is bigger push.

I really like the DRG version, use it now and then.
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Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
January 28 2012 13:24 GMT
#45
Tang, do you have any replays against a 1 base marauder hellion? (1 tech lab 1 reactor rax, 1 reactor fac)
deadjawa
Profile Joined May 2011
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 13:49:13
January 28 2012 13:46 GMT
#46
The thing that's great about this play is that it is a perfect response to all the 3 cc plays that Terran is doing these days. Playing a macro game against such a build is complete hell, so us zergs have a duty to keep Terrans honest by frequently mixing in busts. Terrans have no right to complain about cheese, because heavy macro plays are equally as cheesy in my opinion.
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 13:55:31
January 28 2012 13:49 GMT
#47
Using a build order optimizer you may squeeze out that slightly earlier (with one queen only)

9 Overlord
15 Hatchery
15 Spawning Pool
15 Extractor
16 Overlord
16 Move 3 Drone To Gas
17 Zergling
18 Queen
28 Extractor Trick
29 4*Overlord
29 2*Zergling
31 Spawn Larvae
31 Zergling
32 Extractor
31 Metabolic Boost
31 3*Zergling
34 Baneling Nest
33 2*Zergling
35 Roach Warren
34 3*Zergling
37 Spawn Larvae
37 3*Move Drone To Gas
37 2*Zergling
39 Spawn Larvae
39 Zergling
40 Spawn Larvae
40 3*Zergling
43 8*Baneling
43 8*Roach
59 6*Move Drone To Minerals
59 Zergling

Waypoint 1 satisfied:
7:34,00: 296M 76G 5L 2L 0L 33E 60/ 60S
Income: 717M 228G
Buildings: 2 Hatchery 2 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 1 Roach Warren 1 Baneling Nest
Units: 23 Drone 7 Overlord 1 Queen 30 Zergling 8 Roach 8 Baneling
Upgrades: Metabolic Boost
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 28 2012 13:50 GMT
#48
On January 28 2012 22:46 deadjawa wrote:
The thing that's great about this play is that it is a perfect response to all the 3 cc plays that Terran is doing these days. Playing a macro game against such a build is complete hell, so us zergs have a duty to keep Terrans honest by frequently mixing in busts. Terrans have no right to complain about cheese, because heavy macro plays are equally as cheesy in my opinion.

allins are good but lets not kid ourselves and call this a response to 3 cc... because its blind oo~
@KawaiiRiceLighT
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
January 28 2012 14:12 GMT
#49
Haven't actually been able to test this on ladder these couple of days... seems like there aren't as much Terrans playing in Gold/Platinum at this time of the day.
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rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
January 28 2012 14:33 GMT
#50
Does this hit fast enough to punish 1rax CCs ?
What qxc said.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
January 28 2012 15:12 GMT
#51
On January 28 2012 22:50 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 22:46 deadjawa wrote:
The thing that's great about this play is that it is a perfect response to all the 3 cc plays that Terran is doing these days. Playing a macro game against such a build is complete hell, so us zergs have a duty to keep Terrans honest by frequently mixing in busts. Terrans have no right to complain about cheese, because heavy macro plays are equally as cheesy in my opinion.

allins are good but lets not kid ourselves and call this a response to 3 cc... because its blind oo~

True, but wouldn't the later roach/baneling attack ala DRG work as well? I've seen 3cc hold that before, but even then it usually puts the players at least even and keeps the terran defensive for a short while. That one can be done more reactively after an overlord scout and other ways to confirm it's 3cc.
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 28 2012 18:38 GMT
#52
Really depends on terran not scouting it and getting like 4 bunkers on time. Zerg usually wins if t doesn't bunk and target banes. I've held roach banes super easy and lost to them super badly. just depends if t prepares.
@KawaiiRiceLighT
DaCheF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
January 28 2012 18:51 GMT
#53
I like the drg version better. 15h 17p 16 gas dont take drone off gas even after speed 40 roach den 44 gas bane nest with roach is 80% complete and 3 overlords and cut drones. At this point you should have 10 lings out on the field. He made this build just for MMA and MVP's greedy style.
jonaa
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 18:57:27
January 28 2012 18:54 GMT
#54
hmm I almost want to say I prefer a regular baneling bust over this the only downside to that is dealing with the hellions but with good control you should be able to. Reasoning:
1: Roaches are slow moving roaches across map should give terran time to build bunkers while if you suddenly stream 30 lings across terran has no time to react.
2: Roach warren costs money and roaches cost alot of supply so you spend alot of money on overlords with your all in

I'd say if you would roach bane bust you should do a later one I think the percentage of times where you just straight out win is around the same maybe a little less. It's alot safer and lets you play out alot of games where you did damage but couldnt overrun. What this build seems to me is you looked at a roach bane agression and created an all in build out of it wich is just as potent at killing as the original but doesnt have a follow up. Either way it can catch alot of people off gaurd and you should get a decent amount of build order wins against really greedy 3cc while teching or double reactor w/e.

P.S. cant quick 3 cc hold almost anything if reacted '' perfectly ''. I mean techincally you retreive back like 75% of the cost of the CC itself after dropping a mule?
D:
Cosmology
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada360 Posts
January 28 2012 19:07 GMT
#55
So basically you just copied jEcho's build and call it your own now?
Somewhere, something amazing is waiting to be known.
RabidSeagull
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
January 28 2012 19:17 GMT
#56
On January 29 2012 04:07 Cosmology wrote:
So basically you just copied jEcho's build and call it your own now?

I'm not trying to randomly flame you like you are tang, but most of the "builds" on these forums that people write guides for have been done by different players long before they ever get posted here whether or not the OP knows it or not. A roach bling bust . . . . yeah other people have probably done it, doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it. This is a pretty cool all-in to keep terrans on their toes, nice guide Tang!
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Usyless
Profile Joined June 2010
54 Posts
January 28 2012 19:59 GMT
#57
Modified my bust again. Same time, +4 roaches, + 10 drones.
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
January 28 2012 20:08 GMT
#58
On January 28 2012 22:50 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 22:46 deadjawa wrote:
The thing that's great about this play is that it is a perfect response to all the 3 cc plays that Terran is doing these days. Playing a macro game against such a build is complete hell, so us zergs have a duty to keep Terrans honest by frequently mixing in busts. Terrans have no right to complain about cheese, because heavy macro plays are equally as cheesy in my opinion.

allins are good but lets not kid ourselves and call this a response to 3 cc... because its blind oo~


But at the same time doing a 3rd cc is blind too. Terrans just feel safe because they can make it in their main.
#1 HuK fan, zerg player playing for http://www.complexitygaming.com - @coL_Moosegills
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 28 2012 20:11 GMT
#59
On January 29 2012 05:08 Moosegills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 22:50 KawaiiRice wrote:
On January 28 2012 22:46 deadjawa wrote:
The thing that's great about this play is that it is a perfect response to all the 3 cc plays that Terran is doing these days. Playing a macro game against such a build is complete hell, so us zergs have a duty to keep Terrans honest by frequently mixing in busts. Terrans have no right to complain about cheese, because heavy macro plays are equally as cheesy in my opinion.

allins are good but lets not kid ourselves and call this a response to 3 cc... because its blind oo~


But at the same time doing a 3rd cc is blind too. Terrans just feel safe because they can make it in their main.

entirely missing my point but ok
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
January 28 2012 20:18 GMT
#60
On January 29 2012 05:11 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 05:08 Moosegills wrote:
On January 28 2012 22:50 KawaiiRice wrote:
On January 28 2012 22:46 deadjawa wrote:
The thing that's great about this play is that it is a perfect response to all the 3 cc plays that Terran is doing these days. Playing a macro game against such a build is complete hell, so us zergs have a duty to keep Terrans honest by frequently mixing in busts. Terrans have no right to complain about cheese, because heavy macro plays are equally as cheesy in my opinion.

allins are good but lets not kid ourselves and call this a response to 3 cc... because its blind oo~


But at the same time doing a 3rd cc is blind too. Terrans just feel safe because they can make it in their main.

entirely missing my point but ok

I know that wasn't your point, but it is the reason there are so many roach type all ins now zvt is because every terran and their mother is going fast 3rd cc, so zergs are blindly trying to metagame.
#1 HuK fan, zerg player playing for http://www.complexitygaming.com - @coL_Moosegills
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