Jecho's build and mine are pretty different actually, his comes much later. The unit choice is the same, but the overall style and execution is completely different.

Spocria

Singapore17 Posts

January 29 2012 05:14 GMT

#62

This build saved my life!!! I was failing in mid game ZvT and i remembered seeing this thread a couple days ago and then read the build order while playing and destroyed the terran easily. Thanks dude, your builds are awesome!

Djeez

543 Posts

January 29 2012 15:25 GMT

#63

This allin's pretty good >.>

Totally metagamed Tang and went siege expand in TvZ, but alas only had 2 bunkers and got wrecked. Good stuff.

DKaidon

Poland23 Posts

January 29 2012 16:47 GMT

#64

DRG just used it against MKP in KSL semis, but MKP somehow held wth loosing only ~8scvs - still gonna try this build for sure :D

TheDwf

France19747 Posts

January 29 2012 16:53 GMT

#65

On January 30 2012 01:47 DKaidon wrote:
DRG just used it against MKP in KSL semis, but MKP somehow held wth loosing only ~8scvs - still gonna try this build for sure :D

Was not this build at all.

Gen_Syntax

25 Posts

January 30 2012 00:45 GMT

#66

apologize for the noob question guys, what time usually the siege research finish?

I encountered some terrans who get them early enough (siege expand), but do terrans really fall behind if they get early siege and zerg don't commit to all in?

ClysmiC

United States2192 Posts

January 30 2012 00:48 GMT

#67

Why do you have polls about aggression at the bottom of everyone of your guides? I feel like you spend just as much time justifying your aggressive play in your guides as you do explaining it.

oOOoOphidian

United States1402 Posts

January 30 2012 03:14 GMT

#68

On January 30 2012 09:45 Gen_Syntax wrote:
apologize for the noob question guys, what time usually the siege research finish?

I encountered some terrans who get them early enough (siege expand), but do terrans really fall behind if they get early siege and zerg don't commit to all in?

If you see someone seige expand, just take faster bases and drone up because they won't be dropping you for a while. If they try to push with that all you do is build mass lings. The only good builds that really get tanks in time for this attack are mech.

ViSiOnSC

Canada1 Post

January 31 2012 02:19 GMT

#69

I LOVE this build. Helps me get back at all those Terran all ins I've experienced and throws something new in my play rather then being pure macro 24/7.

TangSC

Canada1866 Posts

February 01 2012 14:05 GMT

#70

On January 30 2012 09:48 ClysmiC wrote:
Why do you have polls about aggression at the bottom of everyone of your guides? I feel like you spend just as much time justifying your aggressive play in your guides as you do explaining it.

It's not really to justify my play, I'm just working to squash that SC2 stereotype that Zerg can only play macro. A poll at the end of a guide is a way readers can contribute their opinion, and I definitely didn't spend as much time making the little poll as I did writing the guide lol.

fighter2_40

United States420 Posts

February 01 2012 20:42 GMT

#71

It seems like too many people confuse any type of ling bane roach pressure as the same build. They are different. Stop hating.

TangSC

Canada1866 Posts

February 02 2012 03:09 GMT

#72

On February 02 2012 05:42 fighter2_40 wrote:
It seems like too many people confuse any type of ling bane roach pressure as the same build. They are different. Stop hating.

There are definitely different variations of the Roach/Ling/Bane all-in. There are 2base lair styles where you get both speed upgrades for roach/bane, and there are 1base styles where you drone a bit more so you can get 2 gas and more banelings at a later time. The one I presented here is the earliest/most all-in version.

TangSC

Canada1866 Posts

February 15 2012 18:16 GMT

#73

2 recent season 6 replays:

Tang vs deathwatcher(mass hellion/tank/marine)
http://drop.sc/112657

Tang vs ImgGartok(Cloak banshee)
http://drop.sc/112628

ODKStevez

Ireland1225 Posts

February 15 2012 18:27 GMT

#74

Thanks, this is a lot earlier than I would be able to hit them with that. Really nice guide, finally a way to attack a Terran back after then nasty Hellions! ^_^

TangSC

Canada1866 Posts

February 16 2012 01:10 GMT

#75

On February 16 2012 03:27 ODKStevez wrote:
Thanks, this is a lot earlier than I would be able to hit them with that. Really nice guide, finally a way to attack a Terran back after then nasty Hellions! ^_^

Yeah pretty much any 26-28 warren is good for dealing with reactor hellions. Keep in mind after 6-8 roaches you don't have to execute a build this all-in, you can just do roach/ling or even 6-8 roaches alone.

aznkukuboi

120 Posts

February 19 2012 19:46 GMT

#76

Hey Tang, I was watching that DRG game and it looks like he has 2 gas and more drones. Does he have fewer lings? You cut drone production like mad, but it looks like his timing attack was very successful as well and just as many units.

Why is your build "better"?

TangSC

Canada1866 Posts

February 19 2012 23:54 GMT

#77

On February 20 2012 04:46 aznkukuboi wrote:
Hey Tang, I was watching that DRG game and it looks like he has 2 gas and more drones. Does he have fewer lings? You cut drone production like mad, but it looks like his timing attack was very successful as well and just as many units.

Why is your build "better"?

His push actually have a better economy and more lings/banelings, but it comes 20 seconds later which means some siege builds will finish. Also, roaches are out later so defense against reapers/hellions is a bit harder. Pros/Cons to both builds.

IAmSyndrome

United Kingdom26 Posts

March 07 2012 22:23 GMT

#78

What would be a good transition if for whatever reason, your roaches didn't get out in time to defend a hellion, and you lost a few drones which delayed your push? Is it still a good idea to continue with this build? or would it be a safer bet to opt for a macro game instead.

Bellazuk

Canada146 Posts

March 08 2012 08:21 GMT

#79

Thats a good guide but people should practice as if you see your openent being greedy you can do it and punish him, theres no such thing as auto-win build order, imo you shouldnt start the game and be like im gonna do the thang build, because learning step by step build of some1 wont make u a better player. Don't bash me guyz, i got respect for thang , hes a good player. I'm just trying to point out the fact that if your average player , you shouldnt be looking at this build seriously because chance u execute it well are slim. Macro > micro > decision making are steps priority for learning and i think this build to be executed very well requires alot of practice and alot of skills. DRG did a similar build because he knew what was going on, watch drgs replay, he scout like a boss and he reacted with this similar build because he saw the opportunity to end the game, he didnt planned to do it so. Thats the difference

DRG doesnt have a build order, he got his general guideline and adapt to what his opponent is doing.

"Side note" I'm currently high diamond and every time I face protoss they do some kind of silly all-ins, 7 gate blink stalkers and some variants and they do it blindly why ? Because Mc did it so, so they learned step by step the build and went to diamond doing that instead of doing the build as a response to X build. I crush them so badly and they rage quit, and it might be frustrating for them, but that's what happens when your a 1 build guy. My point is, i saw many post in this guide and I kinda feel like they gonna hit a wall if they open up blindly doing it w/o any real knowledge because lot of questions are really silly and comes from people with poor knowledge.

TangSC

Canada1866 Posts

March 08 2012 16:49 GMT

#80

On March 08 2012 17:21 Bellazuk wrote:
Thats a good guide but people should practice as if you see your openent being greedy you can do it and punish him, theres no such thing as auto-win build order, imo you shouldnt start the game and be like im gonna do the thang build, because learning step by step build of some1 wont make u a better player. Don't bash me guyz, i got respect for thang , hes a good player. I'm just trying to point out the fact that if your average player , you shouldnt be looking at this build seriously because chance u execute it well are slim. Macro > micro > decision making are steps priority for learning and i think this build to be executed very well requires alot of practice and alot of skills.

Well actually there are such things as build-order wins, but that's another topic.

I disagree pretty strongly with a couple of your points, especially when you say that following a build step by step won't make you a better player. Of course it will, you need structure to your play with clearly planned steps. A lot of players don't know how they're going to win the game, they just build and build their economy with no precise timings of when they attack.

Just because an "average player" will not execute this build optimally the first time doesn't mean they shouldn't practice it and perfect their execution of it. Your concept of "Macro > Micro > Decision making" is not at all based on statistics or evidence, these are three things that can be improved simultaneously regardless of the build you choose. You don't have to develop perfect macro before incorporating aggressive builds into your repertoire; you should be doing it from the beginning. That's the only way to learn the game-sense / decision-making of aggressive styles, by playing aggressively. If you always macro, you won't know those situations where it's correct to go for an attack like DRG's ling/bane/roach.