EPT[G] ZvT Roach/Ling Baneling "Big Bust" - Page 5
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BlackMTsidE
United States32 Posts
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lhr0909
United States562 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NoSv9.jpg) I am just saying that if you can get more drones before you plan for this attack, and actually drone up during the attack, you don't get too far behind in case this did not work. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:35 lhr0909 wrote: + Show Spoiler + I am just saying that if you can get more drones before you plan for this attack, and actually drone up during the attack, you don't get too far behind in case this did not work. It's an all-in, you're sacrificing any kind of follow-up to maximize the chances of winning NOW. | ||
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lhr0909
United States562 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:23 Saechiis wrote: It's an all-in, you're sacrificing any kind of follow-up to maximize the chances of winning NOW. I want Tang himself to say this exact statement and put that into the title rather than telling others that this strategy is not an all-in and you can have follow up in case it does not. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:35 lhr0909 wrote: I want Tang himself to say this exact statement and put that into the title rather than telling others that this strategy is not an all-in and you can have follow up in case it does not. Stated in the introduction of this guide: Now I know what you might be thinking..."How the heck can you get that strong of a push at 8:20 without being all-in?" Well, surprise surprise, this IS an all-in build - You will not go beyond 22 drones with this attack. There will be some exceptions where you do the push and decide to drone afterwards, but for the most part this push is designed to outright win the game. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
before learning this bo i just improvised it with a lot of succes..but this is probably much more optimal! thanks | ||
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itsNero
Canada30 Posts
Do you still go for another push or would you go back droning? | ||
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Bellazuk
Canada146 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On March 12 2012 03:52 itsNero wrote: This is pretty good actually, but what happens if the Terran micros very well, Do you still go for another push or would you go back droning? I would almost always continue spamming zerglings off 2 hatcheries while using any gas on banelings. | ||
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Hossinaut
United States453 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On March 12 2012 15:00 Hossinaut wrote: While normally I bash you for not accepting your builds being allin and always touting relentless aggression, I feel like by acknowledging it, the value of your posts is much greater. Well this build is undeniably all-in (you don't make more than 22 drones). Most of the other guides I've done are based on the idea that attacking can buy you time to build economy. | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
 . Though I've done other versions and this is what I've come up with at high-mid masters.The 28 roach warren. This is TangSC version I think and I like it really much it hits early and relatively hard though it's all-in. The 36 roach warren. This is somewhat in between Tang's and DRG and it isn't as all-in but it is to drone behind and to regain map control. The 42 roach warren. This is what DRG does, he often drones behind it and expands. Since you will have so much money because of your drones and so few larvae because of lings you will be able to expand very safely behind this. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On March 14 2012 02:21 Olsson wrote: The 42 roach warren. This is what DRG does, he often drones behind it and expands. Since you will have so much money because of your drones and so few larvae because of lings you will be able to expand very safely behind this. Thanks for the info, Olsson. I've seen DRG and Stephano do this build, but I don't have any replay files - do you have any that I could look over? I'd like to practice the style and write a guide on it. | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:21 TangSC wrote: Thanks for the info, Olsson. I've seen DRG and Stephano do this build, but I don't have any replay files - do you have any that I could look over? I'd like to practice the style and write a guide on it. Yes I think I found some on some replay sites. Will be linking the replays soon checking them out again. EDIT: DRG vs MMA: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(T)SlayerSMMA_vs_(Z)coLMVPDRG/16345 DRG vs Strelok, not sure about this one I cant see the replay but I belive he did roachlingbling bust. http://sc2rep.com/replays/(T)imbaStrelok_vs_(Z)coLMVPDRG/14378 Also I did see a game on Metropolis DRG vs MKP/MMA where he failed a roach ling bling bust vs mech in a tournament, maybe KSL but I can't find the replay. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On March 14 2012 20:04 Olsson wrote: Yes I think I found some on some replay sites. Will be linking the replays soon checking them out again. EDIT: DRG vs MMA: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(T)SlayerSMMA_vs_(Z)coLMVPDRG/16345 DRG vs Strelok, not sure about this one I cant see the replay but I belive he did roachlingbling bust. http://sc2rep.com/replays/(T)imbaStrelok_vs_(Z)coLMVPDRG/14378 Also I did see a game on Metropolis DRG vs MKP/MMA where he failed a roach ling bling bust vs mech in a tournament, maybe KSL but I can't find the replay. Much appreciated. I can hardly even call DRG's Roach/Ling/Bane an all-in because, like you say, he makes so many drones first and is able to transition into muta/ling with a 3rd very quickly. | ||
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OmyVi
United States137 Posts
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Hossinaut
United States453 Posts
On March 14 2012 01:55 TangSC wrote: Well this build is undeniably all-in (you don't make more than 22 drones). Most of the other guides I've done are based on the idea that attacking can buy you time to build economy. I feel like attacking to buy time to build economy doesn't have to be allin, however. I do the (I believe) rather common 7-13 roach rush off 2 base and ~35 drones in ZvP, and just forcing a reaction and forcing errors helps me a lot, but I play mega macro behind it, and I have a pretty good base for doing so having made so many drones anyway. Back on the topic of this specific thread, if I want to play a more macro-centric style anyway, but want to pressure, how many drones can I get away with while hitting before siege mode is up? This may be a bad place to ask that and I see that you are looking to address this issue in a future article, but ~20 drones seems too few and and ~35 seems too many (I go 1 gas and then get another nearer the actual assault for bane count). | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On March 17 2012 10:52 Hossinaut wrote: Back on the topic of this specific thread, if I want to play a more macro-centric style anyway, but want to pressure, how many drones can I get away with while hitting before siege mode is up? This may be a bad place to ask that and I see that you are looking to address this issue in a future article, but ~20 drones seems too few and and ~35 seems too many (I go 1 gas and then get another nearer the actual assault for bane count). I think there are two ways to make this less all-in. First, build the warren later like DRG does between 36-42 supply - this version gets early 2nd gas and more drones, allowing for earlier tech and 3rd base. Or, you could still build the warren at 28 and go 28-44 on roaches, then drone a bit, THEN switch to ling and baneling production with a second gas. This allows you to still pressure early with 8 roaches, but the roach/ling/baneling timing will come later which means siege mode could be done. | ||
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kAelle_sc
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 Stephano vs.  PuMa, 2012 ASUS ROG Assembly Winter, Playoffs Semifinals Ro4, Game 3 Shakuras Plateau. | ||
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