• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:54
CEST 11:54
KST 18:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)36Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double Recent Patches and the Future
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder Fantasy returning? BW General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing Where can I find Flash replays that work?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7639 users

[G] PvP - 4 Gate is Dead - Page 16

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 All
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
October 08 2012 06:51 GMT
#301
Your tech building should be at 32 food not an extra gate.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-31 18:43:04
May 31 2019 18:42 GMT
#302
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Tempest
Profile Joined October 2015
United States147 Posts
May 31 2019 19:39 GMT
#303
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years


Good comment, probably the only time ive ever seen a necro be worth it.
Quick, think of some pithy cliche and toss it here
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 31 2019 20:59 GMT
#304
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years

i don't think i agree with this? maybe if you approach strategy as "do this exact series of things in every single game," but i'm pretty sure you can develop universal skills based on good info from high level players even if the broader strategy becomes outdated.
TL+ Member
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
June 01 2019 01:34 GMT
#305
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years

there's a glaring irony here lol
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
June 01 2019 05:20 GMT
#306
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this
Trans Rights
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 01 2019 09:09 GMT
#307
On June 01 2019 14:20 Psychonian wrote:
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this


In this case the bump was by the OP, who has put an insane amount of effort into it, so maybe he remembers it even after 7 years?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27422 Posts
June 01 2019 18:01 GMT
#308
Ah thanks for the bump Alejandrisha, reminded me it was you who ruined my best period of PvP
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
June 01 2019 21:52 GMT
#309
On June 01 2019 18:09 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 14:20 Psychonian wrote:
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this


In this case the bump was by the OP, who has put an insane amount of effort into it, so maybe he remembers it even after 7 years?

Ah, I didn't catch that, but fair enough.

Point still stands for other cases of things like this though.
Trans Rights
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
June 04 2019 09:41 GMT
#310
the greatest player thread linked some really old nestea and MVP threads already.

The total biscuit thread linked the GSTL win in 2013 and some of his casting in 2012, I think. and the slayers drama.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
June 05 2019 21:32 GMT
#311
Lots of nostalgia around here lately, but this thread really shows the incredible content people used to produce for the strategy section.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-12 08:54:41
June 12 2019 08:34 GMT
#312
On June 01 2019 10:34 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years

there's a glaring irony here lol

also in your name haha. i remember playing like 100's of custom games vs ai to get these builds down to perfect timing. so nuts lol.

On June 02 2019 06:52 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 18:09 opisska wrote:
On June 01 2019 14:20 Psychonian wrote:
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this


In this case the bump was by the OP, who has put an insane amount of effort into it, so maybe he remembers it even after 7 years?

Ah, I didn't catch that, but fair enough.

Point still stands for other cases of things like this though.


yea, i was a guide writer several years ago and sometimes like to check on my old threads. currently trying to get good enough at brood war to make guides for that because they will be relevant forever haha. all work that is done in the meta by players is immediately undone by balance patches or essentially rule-changing. the current state of sc2 is deplorable because blizz want to control how you play

On June 02 2019 03:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
Ah thanks for the bump Alejandrisha, reminded me it was you who ruined my best period of PvP


hollar!

On June 06 2019 06:32 BronzeKnee wrote:
Lots of nostalgia around here lately, but this thread really shows the incredible content people used to produce for the strategy section.


hey! nice to see your name!
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
June 15 2019 20:45 GMT
#313
Oh man I remember studying this guide sooo many years ago XD
Have a nice day ;)
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
June 16 2019 17:24 GMT
#314
Lol yeah old memories. I think i remember reading this, crossing my fingers and hoping that other people were not noticing it, and then sticking to my four gate.
Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States368 Posts
June 16 2019 19:58 GMT
#315
This sure brings it back. Thanks for all the help back in the day, AleJ!
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 17 2019 14:50 GMT
#316
I honestly feel like we could have high level strategy content, we just need to have more meta analysis since the game changes so much.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-17 23:24:01
June 17 2019 23:13 GMT
#317
On June 17 2019 23:50 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I honestly feel like we could have high level strategy content, we just need to have more meta analysis since the game changes so much.

you can still have content if the game changes a lot. to demonstrate i will outline how i used to write my guides.
1. get idea for guide (hour 0)
2. gather vods- didn't take long since there were only 1-2 hubs of content at this time (hour 0-2)
3. grind custom games to imitate build for guide and provide idyllic benchmarks (time in nerd jail is fluid)
4. write guide (1 hour)
5. stare at guide (eternity)

the entire process generally only took a few hours. i was happy to put myself in nerd jail and grind out builds to find the fastest build times. sc2 is succinct enough that if you pay attention you can stay on par with the pros for at least 8-12 minutes so that was my contribution to the tl community :D

8-12 minutes before the added worker change.. now that would be like what, 3-5 minutes? zzzzzzzzzz

On June 17 2019 04:58 Chemist391 wrote:
This sure brings it back. Thanks for all the help back in the day, AleJ!


absolutely! the only joy i got from sc2 was sharing what i learned and hanging out in vent with some choice fellows

On June 16 2019 05:45 Dumbledore wrote:
Oh man I remember studying this guide sooo many years ago XD


for every person that commented on the guide, i knew there were 100+ people that just read it. thankfully tl logs views so I knew that my content was reaching a lot of people. i am thankful to tl for providing me a hub to spread by build propaganda and i thank you for your comment
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 18 2019 20:43 GMT
#318
You know, the game brought a lot of joy to me when I was younger. Good strategy content was fun and useful. Not everything we do needs to be enduring to be worthwhile.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
June 20 2019 08:22 GMT
#319
On June 19 2019 05:43 Proko wrote:
You know, the game brought a lot of joy to me when I was younger. Good strategy content was fun and useful. Not everything we do needs to be enduring to be worthwhile.


thanks for reading the context of the necro i agree. sometimes things are for what they are. and looking back years and years ago same plays. you right
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 20 2019 15:49 GMT
#320
On June 20 2019 17:22 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2019 05:43 Proko wrote:
You know, the game brought a lot of joy to me when I was younger. Good strategy content was fun and useful. Not everything we do needs to be enduring to be worthwhile.


thanks for reading the context of the necro i agree. sometimes things are for what they are. and looking back years and years ago same plays. you right


<3
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Prev 1 14 15 16 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech128
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1571
Bisu 742
BeSt 365
Horang2 276
Hyuk 271
actioN 203
Leta 149
Zeus 147
EffOrt 126
Jaedong 118
[ Show more ]
Light 110
ZerO 72
Soma 72
Shinee 48
Mind 41
Mong 40
Killer 37
soO 29
Aegong 29
ToSsGirL 27
PianO 21
Bale 21
sorry 17
Terrorterran 14
hero 14
Sharp 14
Pusan 11
HiyA 9
JulyZerg 8
Noble 7
Rush 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe168
League of Legends
JimRising 367
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1012
shoxiejesuss960
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King176
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor1745
Other Games
gofns33472
summit1g8251
singsing1531
ceh9621
crisheroes309
XBOCT257
DeMusliM157
Livibee95
ArmadaUGS90
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick526
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream227
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH260
• LUISG 14
• Letter145
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2273
League of Legends
• Jankos2053
• Rush1278
• Stunt423
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6m
OSC
3h 6m
Stellar Fest
3h 6m
OSC
14h 6m
Stellar Fest
1d 3h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Online Event
2 days
FEL
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
INu's Battles
3 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
5 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.