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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 08 2012 06:51 GMT
#301
Your tech building should be at 32 food not an extra gate.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-31 18:43:04
May 31 2019 18:42 GMT
#302
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years
get rich or die mining
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Tempest
Profile Joined October 2015
United States147 Posts
May 31 2019 19:39 GMT
#303
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years


Good comment, probably the only time ive ever seen a necro be worth it.
Quick, think of some pithy cliche and toss it here
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 31 2019 20:59 GMT
#304
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years

i don't think i agree with this? maybe if you approach strategy as "do this exact series of things in every single game," but i'm pretty sure you can develop universal skills based on good info from high level players even if the broader strategy becomes outdated.
TL+ Member
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
June 01 2019 01:34 GMT
#305
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years

there's a glaring irony here lol
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
June 01 2019 05:20 GMT
#306
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this
Trans Rights
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 01 2019 09:09 GMT
#307
On June 01 2019 14:20 Psychonian wrote:
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this


In this case the bump was by the OP, who has put an insane amount of effort into it, so maybe he remembers it even after 7 years?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25935 Posts
June 01 2019 18:01 GMT
#308
Ah thanks for the bump Alejandrisha, reminded me it was you who ruined my best period of PvP
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
June 01 2019 21:52 GMT
#309
On June 01 2019 18:09 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 14:20 Psychonian wrote:
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this


In this case the bump was by the OP, who has put an insane amount of effort into it, so maybe he remembers it even after 7 years?

Ah, I didn't catch that, but fair enough.

Point still stands for other cases of things like this though.
Trans Rights
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
June 04 2019 09:41 GMT
#310
the greatest player thread linked some really old nestea and MVP threads already.

The total biscuit thread linked the GSTL win in 2013 and some of his casting in 2012, I think. and the slayers drama.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
June 05 2019 21:32 GMT
#311
Lots of nostalgia around here lately, but this thread really shows the incredible content people used to produce for the strategy section.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-12 08:54:41
June 12 2019 08:34 GMT
#312
On June 01 2019 10:34 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 03:42 Alejandrisha wrote:
there is no bigger waste of time than creating strategy content for a game that changes its stripes every 3 months and changes its species every 3 years

there's a glaring irony here lol

also in your name haha. i remember playing like 100's of custom games vs ai to get these builds down to perfect timing. so nuts lol.

On June 02 2019 06:52 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 18:09 opisska wrote:
On June 01 2019 14:20 Psychonian wrote:
i really dont know how people even find 7 year old threads like this


In this case the bump was by the OP, who has put an insane amount of effort into it, so maybe he remembers it even after 7 years?

Ah, I didn't catch that, but fair enough.

Point still stands for other cases of things like this though.


yea, i was a guide writer several years ago and sometimes like to check on my old threads. currently trying to get good enough at brood war to make guides for that because they will be relevant forever haha. all work that is done in the meta by players is immediately undone by balance patches or essentially rule-changing. the current state of sc2 is deplorable because blizz want to control how you play

On June 02 2019 03:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
Ah thanks for the bump Alejandrisha, reminded me it was you who ruined my best period of PvP


hollar!

On June 06 2019 06:32 BronzeKnee wrote:
Lots of nostalgia around here lately, but this thread really shows the incredible content people used to produce for the strategy section.


hey! nice to see your name!
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
June 15 2019 20:45 GMT
#313
Oh man I remember studying this guide sooo many years ago XD
Have a nice day ;)
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
June 16 2019 17:24 GMT
#314
Lol yeah old memories. I think i remember reading this, crossing my fingers and hoping that other people were not noticing it, and then sticking to my four gate.
Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
June 16 2019 19:58 GMT
#315
This sure brings it back. Thanks for all the help back in the day, AleJ!
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 17 2019 14:50 GMT
#316
I honestly feel like we could have high level strategy content, we just need to have more meta analysis since the game changes so much.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-17 23:24:01
June 17 2019 23:13 GMT
#317
On June 17 2019 23:50 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I honestly feel like we could have high level strategy content, we just need to have more meta analysis since the game changes so much.

you can still have content if the game changes a lot. to demonstrate i will outline how i used to write my guides.
1. get idea for guide (hour 0)
2. gather vods- didn't take long since there were only 1-2 hubs of content at this time (hour 0-2)
3. grind custom games to imitate build for guide and provide idyllic benchmarks (time in nerd jail is fluid)
4. write guide (1 hour)
5. stare at guide (eternity)

the entire process generally only took a few hours. i was happy to put myself in nerd jail and grind out builds to find the fastest build times. sc2 is succinct enough that if you pay attention you can stay on par with the pros for at least 8-12 minutes so that was my contribution to the tl community :D

8-12 minutes before the added worker change.. now that would be like what, 3-5 minutes? zzzzzzzzzz

On June 17 2019 04:58 Chemist391 wrote:
This sure brings it back. Thanks for all the help back in the day, AleJ!


absolutely! the only joy i got from sc2 was sharing what i learned and hanging out in vent with some choice fellows

On June 16 2019 05:45 Dumbledore wrote:
Oh man I remember studying this guide sooo many years ago XD


for every person that commented on the guide, i knew there were 100+ people that just read it. thankfully tl logs views so I knew that my content was reaching a lot of people. i am thankful to tl for providing me a hub to spread by build propaganda and i thank you for your comment
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 18 2019 20:43 GMT
#318
You know, the game brought a lot of joy to me when I was younger. Good strategy content was fun and useful. Not everything we do needs to be enduring to be worthwhile.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
June 20 2019 08:22 GMT
#319
On June 19 2019 05:43 Proko wrote:
You know, the game brought a lot of joy to me when I was younger. Good strategy content was fun and useful. Not everything we do needs to be enduring to be worthwhile.


thanks for reading the context of the necro i agree. sometimes things are for what they are. and looking back years and years ago same plays. you right
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 20 2019 15:49 GMT
#320
On June 20 2019 17:22 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2019 05:43 Proko wrote:
You know, the game brought a lot of joy to me when I was younger. Good strategy content was fun and useful. Not everything we do needs to be enduring to be worthwhile.


thanks for reading the context of the necro i agree. sometimes things are for what they are. and looking back years and years ago same plays. you right


<3
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
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