EPTIf your W/L ratio is 85%, it'd be interesting to see those games you have lost with this build.
[G] Blazinghand's Thorship TvZ - Page 3
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Blossom
United Kingdom87 Posts
If your W/L ratio is 85%, it'd be interesting to see those games you have lost with this build. | ||
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rebotfc
United Kingdom144 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 11 2012 08:32 Blossom wrote: Well written and a thoroughly enjoyable guide. If your W/L ratio is 85%, it'd be interesting to see those games you have lost with this build. On January 11 2012 08:38 rebotfc wrote: He has included all of his losses in the replay pack. Yeah that's basically it. I'll repack all the losses into a separate zip file and upload that too for people who just want to see me lose though without sorting through it all  I think they're mostly in older patches, but there should be a couple in the most recent patch.If you want to find the losses right now, the easiest way to do it is to download the comprehensive pack, then use sc2gears to search for games lost by Blazinghand. I'll put together an appropriate file when I get home though. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
I feel you'd get more out of that thor/marinehellion elevator, or vis versa thor dropship marine hellion poke the front. You can still go into the banshee with a swap of tech labs. Not to mention the semi FE. I'm sure the thor is much later, but I feel you can do as crippling of damage with a two prong attack, and still expo and 3 rax 1 fac 1 port 2 base play them | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:33 Blazinghand wrote: Unfortunately, I do this in laddering sessions which are buried in my entirely unorganized VoDs. If people are interested I could stream a replay, but there are a couple replay packs up there if you want to look for yourself. Actually, streaming a replay is a very good idea, imo. Git r dun! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:58 VashTS wrote: Actually, streaming a replay is a very good idea, imo. Git r dun! Already did. Read op | ||
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Cycle
United States300 Posts
zergs in my MMR :O | ||
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COLDbear
United States39 Posts
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:54 VoO wrote: I tried this as EU Master and it is quite micro intensive. However, I have issues with mass ling/bling plus very few mutalisks. It is impossible for me to trade efficiently with simple marines. I made some adjustments and incorporated ForGG's Banshee Hellion Thor expand build. Thordrop is so incredible strong that I feel the need to make it standard. It's unfeasible to imagine a thor drop rush as standard, just because the delay in the natural forces an all-in follow up. If you're having trouble with ling/bane, you may need to split your marines more aggressively, or pull some additional scvs to mitigate scv losses. Try to focusfire your thors onto various banelings, and use your banshees to pick off banelings beforehand. Remember that if you can make it past the initial engagement, ling/bane is very weak. | ||
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
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Exempt.
United States470 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 22 2012 20:36 Exempt. wrote: On your phase 3 zerg defense can you post your ideas against ling only or ling infestor? Otherwise you've only talked about outdated zerg builds and I dont see much credibility for your allin. Ling only doesn't have the ability to deal with the high number of marines, and as mentioned, any sort of lair tech defense won't have the number of units necessary to deal with the thors. A small number of zerg players went ling-infestor or pure ling to defend against this build. None of them succeeded. EDIT: Also, if the idea of making a large number of roaches and banelings seems outdated, that's perhaps because you're not taking into account the fact that you're fighting marines and thors off of 1 base-- in preparation for a 1 base all-in, it's good play to make a large number of roaches or banes rather than trying to get out mutalisks or infestors. The compositions my adversaries choose may seem unusual, but that is because my style of play is unusual. If I were going marine/tank off of 2 bases, or some other standard play, you'd see more standard responses. | ||
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Teoman
Norway382 Posts
So let's talk for a moment about decision-making. The goals of your viking harassment, in order of importance, are: A) Clear an Overlord- and Zergling- free path for the thorship to travel B) Kill Overlords C) Be a dick The targets for your thor, in order of importance, are A) Queens B) Drones C) Army E) Overlords Your thor's target priority AI works like this: A) Enemy ground units attacking the thor within 7 range. B) Overlords, any overlords, anywhere within like a screen length. C) Stuff you actually want to kill You sir, are a person who made me laugh where i sat! Love the word use You are a very funny person. Will defienetly try this build :D | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
http://drop.sc/packs/524 Several gems for you connoisseurs this time around. In the replay against Marine (Z): He rushes for Infestor off 2 base and gets brutalized. The BM that began at the opening of the game only ramps up as he realizes his sad, doomed fate. It's hard to say what motivated his BM, but was strong indeed. He felt like the game was unfair, which, well, it is, if you rush lair. I particularly enjoyed this one. In the replay against Marineforger (Z): He goes for a 2 base roach bust, a profoundly unwise choice against a 1-basing terran. I bleed a few depots and some marines, and the thorship is able to terrorize his mineral line and queens unmolested. The followup all-in is basically a formality. As a fellow all-inner, he sends me a respectful "gg" before tapping out. Somehow, I think we understood each other. In the replay against lunar (Z): He goes for a 28-drone baneling bust with 8 banelings, 24 zerglings. He busts the wall but can't overwhelm thor #2. He loses a creep queen and a couple overlords. He rushes for lair afterwards. Realizing too late his folly, he begins a lair and powers up to 44 drones in an attempt to mass roaches. As a fellow all-inner, he "ggs" before leaving. I think we knew eachother well this game as well. In the replay against MohuRaN (Z): This is really the crowing achievement of my night. This guy held the all-in with a muta rush (lost all the mutas, but held it). So I made three more thors and allinned again ^^ and it worked. I can only imagine the horror when he realized the same all-in was coming and he didn't have any banelings this time around ^^ I even cut the VoD from my stream just so you can witness the miracle firsthand if you'd like: Twitch.tv: http://www.twitch.tv/blazinghand/b/308215602 Embedded video (youtube): + Show Spoiler + Sometimes, when playing standard, I almost forget the pure joy that is utilizing this micro-heavy idiosyncratic all-in. | ||
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Celestia
Mexico376 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
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Rockztar
Denmark210 Posts
On January 10 2012 20:29 XRaDiiX wrote: I actually think i faced you or someone doing this build on Ladder. I crushed them (Masters League) and ended up 4 base Zerg vs his 1 base Terran because he couldn't expand after my roach baneling queen held off his scouted Thor/scv/banshee/marine Cheese. He kept picking up the Thor and flying it back to his base to Repair when it got low. But he lost way too many SCV's failing like a scrub. I held it off and laughed at him while i expanded and had 4-bases to his one base! User was warned for clearly not reading the Strategy Forum Guidelines Cool story, bro. Anyways, just tested the build. The build order I got down in first try, and the attack was easy as well. I don't intend to do this every single game, but when playing BO3's I'm surely gonna mix it once in a while. Thanks a lot for the guide. Hope you get over your addiction to the build(wouldn't mind if you developed another allin though!). | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:32 Blazinghand wrote: OK guys, we get a fresh new batch of replays. As I scramble and try to clear my bonus pool for this season, I find myself all-inning in some of my TvZs... and for me that means thorship. http://drop.sc/packs/524 Several gems for you connoisseurs this time around. In the replay against Marine (Z): He rushes for Infestor off 2 base and gets brutalized. The BM that began at the opening of the game only ramps up as he realizes his sad, doomed fate. It's hard to say what motivated his BM, but was strong indeed. He felt like the game was unfair, which, well, it is, if you rush lair. I particularly enjoyed this one. In the replay against Marineforger (Z): He goes for a 2 base roach bust, a profoundly unwise choice against a 1-basing terran. I bleed a few depots and some marines, and the thorship is able to terrorize his mineral line and queens unmolested. The followup all-in is basically a formality. As a fellow all-inner, he sends me a respectful "gg" before tapping out. Somehow, I think we understood each other. In the replay against lunar (Z): He goes for a 28-drone baneling bust with 8 banelings, 24 zerglings. He busts the wall but can't overwhelm thor #2. He loses a creep queen and a couple overlords. He rushes for lair afterwards. Realizing too late his folly, he begins a lair and powers up to 44 drones in an attempt to mass roaches. As a fellow all-inner, he "ggs" before leaving. I think we knew eachother well this game as well. In the replay against MohuRaN (Z): This is really the crowing achievement of my night. This guy held the all-in with a muta rush (lost all the mutas, but held it). So I made three more thors and allinned again ^^ and it worked. I can only imagine the horror when he realized the same all-in was coming and he didn't have any banelings this time around ^^ I even cut the VoD from my stream just so you can witness the miracle firsthand if you'd like: Twitch.tv: http://www.twitch.tv/blazinghand/b/308215602 Embedded video (youtube): + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFr8RGW5sh8 Sometimes, when playing standard, I almost forget the pure joy that is utilizing this micro-heavy idiosyncratic all-in. Wtf up with that depot placement in that vod? And 2nd off, I think tang has a point. How do you scout a econ bust, or roach ling, or roach ling bane rushes? I feel you have no map control until that single viking comes out to clear the way for the thor. | ||
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