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binski
Profile Joined December 2010
United States225 Posts
December 30 2011 23:35 GMT
#41
Been sayin' this for a long time, if you want to learn ZvP, just talk to Gerbil
coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
December 30 2011 23:44 GMT
#42
Going to read all of this tonight, thanks for posting it up and helping out zergs everywhere lol
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
December 30 2011 23:58 GMT
#43
How much have you experimented on ventral sacs play for harassment and such?
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
December 31 2011 00:01 GMT
#44
On December 31 2011 08:58 Kishin2 wrote:
How much have you experimented on ventral sacs play for harassment and such?


If I recall correctly, Gerbil's rule of dropping:

Don't drop more than 4 roaches at a time because it makes your army much weaker, and it's very seldom that 8 roaches kill more in a harassment run that 4 roaches would anyway.

LordYama
Profile Joined August 2010
United States370 Posts
December 31 2011 00:31 GMT
#45
Thanks for this, I need a lot of help in this matchup, the detailed guide and replays should be very useful!
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#46
Thanks to your guide, i'll be able to win some games against protoss :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
iLike
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia3 Posts
December 31 2011 01:00 GMT
#47
Very good guide which I liked to read as a Protoss player! Get's you into the thinking process of your opponent. Very nice read!
badarrowjoke
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand1 Post
December 31 2011 01:52 GMT
#48
I made my first account to thanks for this awesomeness!
igLeX
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada140 Posts
December 31 2011 01:58 GMT
#49
On December 31 2011 06:22 SiN] wrote:
IS THAT THE REAL GERBIL


Cyrus Trollwald

On topic: Gerbil I love you <3
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
December 31 2011 02:34 GMT
#50
Good guide. You talked in some detail about how to beat the colossus/stalker/archon/mothership deathball, but do you think you could add some discussion about dealing with the carrier/mothership/archon/stormer deathball? The latter deathball is much harder for Protoss to build, but it's also much stronger, and it's the one that leads Zerg players to cry imbalance.

I don't know if many Zerg players have much experience against it, and as a Protoss player, the lack of experience definitely shows as Zerg players regularly use bad responses like staying on maxed out infestor/broodlord or transitioning to hydras.
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
December 31 2011 02:59 GMT
#51
Been hearing good things about Gerbil. Thanks so much for this guide, good to have help from someone who knows.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 04:09:40
December 31 2011 04:09 GMT
#52
I've watched most of your replays. But havent seen any where the protoss does a FFE. This is the part where i struggle at the most, either i'm not able to defend his timing or i'm not able to punish him even after i've defended it. I'm able to take 4-5 bases while he sits on 3 and still lose to the deathball. Any tips or replays you can share?

Edit: Mid diamond zerg here.
Amaterasu1234
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
December 31 2011 04:16 GMT
#53
Mmmm, I've a question that has to do with FFE, the section that I totally understand is under construction and you may not have an answer for right now:

A lot of tosses, when they open Forge FE, enjoy chronoing 3-6 zealots then subsequently send them to my 3rd that I drop at ~30-36, and, with 4+ zealots, they usually take it out if I don't have roaches in time.

Now, I've found that dropping a roach warren around the same time has my hatch will usually leave me with roaches to defend...but it totally destroy my drone count.

Do you have any thoughts on this or solutions of your own?
---------------

Also, vs warp prism harass, how many roaches should I leave back at home to deal with a crap ton of chargelots?
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 04:50:52
December 31 2011 04:49 GMT
#54
On December 30 2011 22:34 ShinyGerbil wrote:
Gerbil's Comprehensive Guide to ZvP

Hi everyone, I'm (Z)Gerbil from 4Kings.


THE 4Kings?
I love you guys... oh the days...
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
December 31 2011 11:31 GMT
#55
awesome! thanks for your work!
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
Kring
Profile Joined August 2011
Portugal70 Posts
December 31 2011 11:44 GMT
#56
Very goood guide!!
Evolution complete
Sinok
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel38 Posts
December 31 2011 12:11 GMT
#57
Awesome guide, thanks!
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 13:59:48
December 31 2011 13:59 GMT
#58
Hi, this is an awesome ZvP approach. I've been having some problems lately with ZvP after moving up the Plat ladder and encountering some Diamond Protosses. =) I also tweeted about this guide on my Twitter if you don't mind.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
December 31 2011 14:14 GMT
#59
On December 31 2011 06:49 ShinyGerbil wrote:
It's a very good question. I dealt with stargate into colossus all ins, but perhaps 2 base colossus has it's place as well. contrary to what lebzetu wrote, I don't think you can manage roach/hydra/infestor/corruptor by the 15 minute mark, it's too much gas and your tech is spread out much too far. Instead, you should be opening roach infestor and adding corruptor as soon as you see fast colossus. if you find yourself needing to buy time for the corruptors to come out (you want around 8 before you engage this), try threatening counter attacks with large sections of roach ling. Your end composition should be around 4 infestors, 8 corruptors and the rest mass roach. Also feel free to add extra queens and/or spines if you have extra money.

Okay, awesome thanks so much for taking the time to write this guide <3
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
December 31 2011 16:05 GMT
#60
Thank you so much Gerbil! I will read this so many times! I HATE this matchup, I'd rather play 20 ZvZ than one ZvP!! Biggest reason Im not laddering as much as I used to! Thanks!!!!!! (Bitter sent me ;D)
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