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[G] CreatorPrime PvT - Page 12
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
This replay with slightly altered timing helped my pvt a lot. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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Telenil
France484 Posts
Awesome guide btw, my PvT dramatically improved with this strat =) | ||
Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
On April 22 2012 08:38 Wingblade wrote: This might have been asked but I'm not sure. Are there specific "greedy" actions a Toss can take if double engi bays are scouted I.e. perhaps taking a faster third? Reduce/cut gateway unit production; tech to colossus faster, get a third faster. | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
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Marodox
United States83 Posts
Im a masters P and I'm having trouble taking a 3rd when the T does the standard push out with 2 medivacs off of 3 racks. With my units split to deal with drops and col on the way, my army just doesn't have the power to secure a 3rd. What should I be doing to take a fast 3rd. Also, what is the correct response to a 4-5 racks marine power into a fast 3rd. After I hold, I usually die to the super strong 3 base push that comes after, how greedy should I be during this? | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:09 Marodox wrote: Hey NrGmonk, Im a masters P and I'm having trouble taking a 3rd when the T does the standard push out with 2 medivacs off of 3 racks. With my units split to deal with drops and col on the way, my army just doesn't have the power to secure a 3rd. What should I be doing to take a fast 3rd. Also, what is the correct response to a 4-5 racks marine power into a fast 3rd. After I hold, I usually die to the super strong 3 base push that comes after, how greedy should I be during this? For the first question: 1. Use vision(obs, pylons) to split your army smartly. Don't put 5 stalkers in your main if you see your opponent's first 2 medivacs with his entire army at the front of your base. 2. Get later gas in favor of more minerals(zealots) to fight a head on army. 3. Delay your 4th-6th gateways in favor of more additional units. 4. Don't mess up forcefields. 5. Post a replay. For the 2nd: 1. Make sentries and take a 3rd right after you convincingly hold off your opponent's 4-5 rax. Many times, the game is decided by how well you deal with the 4-5 rax aggression; if he doesn't do any damage or you crush it, you can get fairly ahead. With 4-5 rax, your opponent won't have gas for a long time. The next regular marine push isn't that scary and can be held off with forcefields. Your opponents' only choices are delayed tech or 3rd in base cc. Lol, accidently hit edit instead of quote. | ||
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Marodox
United States83 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:35 NrGmonk wrote: For the first question: 1. Use vision(obs, pylons) to split your army smartly. Don't put 5 stalkers in your main if you see your opponent's first 2 medivacs with his entire army at the front of your base. 2. Get later gas in favor of more minerals(zealots) to fight a head on army. 3. Delay your 4th-6th gateways in favor of more additional units. 4. Don't mess up forcefields. 5. Post a replay. For the 2nd: 1. Make sentries and take a 3rd right after you convincingly hold off your opponent's 4-5 rax. Many times, the game is decided by how well you deal with the 4-5 rax aggression; if he doesn't do any damage or you crush it, you can get fairly ahead. With 4-5 rax, your opponent won't have gas for a long time. The next regular marine push isn't that scary and can be held off with forcefields. Your opponents' only choices are delayed tech or 3rd in base cc. Lol, accidently hit edit instead of quote. Can you take a look at this replay? http://drop.sc/174102 Thanks! | ||
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bowenkhong
Singapore43 Posts
hey i think you shouldn't get twilight and Robo bay at the same time. Going for double forge I think twilight and than follow up with 3 more gate will be better, his 2nd attk cost you the game coz you simple don't have enought gate to produce unit. | ||
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PoisedYeTi
Australia167 Posts
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Serge89
Belgium38 Posts
And second question, you basically take your third when coloss are about to pop out but what if the terran take his third early (not 3CC opening) ? Cause at this time he has a good amount of bio ball and i have no splash damage, just 2 immo and gateways units. Thanks ! | ||
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Protossking
Australia103 Posts
3rax starport is coming in two different forms recently, one being 2 reactors 1 tech lab mass marines and the other being 2 tech lab 1 reactor (the more standard one). This build is designed to come out ahead against the 2 tech lab builds, but simply dies to a double reactor build through sheer dps and abundance of AoE. If you scout 2 reactors I really recommend skipping the immortals and teching to collosi as soon as possible, otherwise you will not hold his push. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
On May 09 2012 18:29 Protossking wrote: Hey Monk, I have something that you should really add to your guide. 3rax starport is coming in two different forms recently, one being 2 reactors 1 tech lab mass marines and the other being 2 tech lab 1 reactor (the more standard one). This build is designed to come out ahead against the 2 tech lab builds, but simply dies to a double reactor build through sheer dps and abundance of AoE. If you scout 2 reactors I really recommend skipping the immortals and teching to collosi as soon as possible, otherwise you will not hold his push. I was sort of wondering this as well, although I have not been using Creator's build as much recently. The stim marine medivac pressure comes really quick, but I'm not sure if you can get colossus out in time for it while still getting blink / double upgrades. Your best bet is to probably have a huge amount of +1+1 gateways units and/or blink/charge, but I'm not sure exactly how Creator deals with this exact double reactor build. | ||
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
On May 09 2012 18:29 Protossking wrote: Hey Monk, I have something that you should really add to your guide. 3rax starport is coming in two different forms recently, one being 2 reactors 1 tech lab mass marines and the other being 2 tech lab 1 reactor (the more standard one). This build is designed to come out ahead against the 2 tech lab builds, but simply dies to a double reactor build through sheer dps and abundance of AoE. If you scout 2 reactors I really recommend skipping the immortals and teching to collosi as soon as possible, otherwise you will not hold his push. I dont think colossus are necessary unless you see a really heavy devotion (4-5+ rax) I use this style every pvt and i find that this 3 rax medivac push is completely defendable on the current ladder map pool (keep in mind i have metalopolis, antiga, and korhal compound vetoed) 1-1 upgrades should be finished and you should have a minimal of 6-8 sentries 1 immortal done (2nd on the way) some zealot stalker as well as 6 gateways finished ready to warp. Good forcefields are critical, personally i like to go a little stalker heavy. Good forcefields and if you can, try to anticipate the maneuvere they do when they lift units up to drop behind FF's Take this opportunity to step forward with your stalkers and target down the medivacs. Im in class atm :p but i will gladly upload High-master/Grandmaster replays tackling this build head on with creator style and coming out on top. | ||
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
On May 10 2012 07:37 -Exalt- wrote: I was sort of wondering this as well, although I have not been using Creator's build as much recently. The stim marine medivac pressure comes really quick, but I'm not sure if you can get colossus out in time for it while still getting blink / double upgrades. Your best bet is to probably have a huge amount of +1+1 gateways units and/or blink/charge, but I'm not sure exactly how Creator deals with this exact double reactor build. I second this concern. The new style of multiple reactors means the medvac timing comes with a large number of marines, which both deal considerable damage and also make much deadlier doom drops. | ||
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
On May 09 2012 18:29 Protossking wrote: Hey Monk, I have something that you should really add to your guide. 3rax starport is coming in two different forms recently, one being 2 reactors 1 tech lab mass marines and the other being 2 tech lab 1 reactor (the more standard one). This build is designed to come out ahead against the 2 tech lab builds, but simply dies to a double reactor build through sheer dps and abundance of AoE. If you scout 2 reactors I really recommend skipping the immortals and teching to collosi as soon as possible, otherwise you will not hold his push. As promised, here are 2 recent high-master PvT's of me holding this push with realtive ease using the creator prime style http://drop.sc/176285 http://drop.sc/176283 EDIT: Here's 1 more vs. xSixVer :D http://drop.sc/176332 | ||
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Protossking
Australia103 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:32 AGIANTSMURF wrote: As promised, here are 2 recent high-master PvT's of me holding this push with realtive ease using the creator prime style http://drop.sc/176285 http://drop.sc/176283 EDIT: Here's 1 more vs. xSixVer :D http://drop.sc/176332 I watched the first one your build isn't really resembling creatorprime style at all. When the push hits you have pure stalker sentry immortal, when creator style opens with a maximum of 5 stalkers 4 sentries and the rest zealots/2immortals. Your 2/2 was really delayed because of this and your build just didn't flow properly at all. You don't have a robotics bay at 11 minutes and you still haven't started 2/2, usually my 2/2 will be halfway complete and I will have a collosus coming out momentarily. If the terran was smart he just wouldn't engage against 8 sentries and stalkers up a ramp, he would simply back off take a third and out-macro you since you don't have enough gas to transition from this unit combination. It actually seems like an all-in to me with 1/1 blink immortal sentry. Robotics bay comes up at like 14minutes.. Obviously you can hold it off without going creatorprime, I'm more thinking about zealot 5 stalkers 4 sentrys where you can't just make ff donuts etc. oh and here's a replay showing that if you cut corners to get faster collosi and forcefield your ramp a few times you can get a collosus out to deal with his push.(also high master) http://sc2rep.com/replays/(T)KinetiC_vs_(P)MxGPezz/19667 | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
 Nice work on the OP man. Very nice explainations, replays, and a totally badass diagram at the end. Awesome! Great work *shoulder clap* | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
You fell quite behind from the 5 rax aggression. Even though you lost fewer resources in that fight, you lost valuable sentries and didn't bother to replace them. You need to be more forward with your stalkers and scout/kite his marines with stalkers across the map. You need to take a faster 3rd after you hold it off, especially when you see his 3rd, which you didn't. A huge mistake was that you didn't bother to replace your sentry count. Instead you tried to rush colossi, which could have worked except your colossi was too late. | ||
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