[D] Terran DROPS - Page 2

VassiliZaytsev

Canada45 Posts

October 12 2011 04:56 GMT

#21

On October 12 2011 01:05 MrInocence wrote:

The same way you feel leaving 3 stalkers hurts your main army, we feel about a medivac with 4 marauders. Being attacked right after sending out a drop midgame can sometimes be a game deciding mistake.

Except.. Pretty sure it would take like 8 stalkers to deny 4 marauders. I play Terran and even I'm pretty sure the response needed by Protoss to stop the drops is like 2-3x more severe than what the Terran spends on the drop. Negating the fact that he can just load up whenever he wants, with stim, kiting, shell and healing, drops become ridiculously effective unless a significantly bigger Protoss force is pulled to deal with them.

Especially in the bigger fights, 4 units can be way more effective taking out pylons and unpowering gateways and sniping tech than they will ever be in max supply fight. I'm sure someone famous once said that the threat of drops can be just as powerful as the drops themselves.

TBone-

United States2309 Posts

October 12 2011 05:36 GMT

#22

One very key note that I saw that was left out is strategy. Sure doing drops is fun, but it better damn well integrate with your goals in the game.

T0fuuu

Australia2275 Posts

October 12 2011 05:59 GMT

#23

On October 12 2011 13:56 VassiliZaytsev wrote:

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1 Ht + warpin of 2-3 zealots is plenty to deal with 1 dropship as hasuobs has shown again and again in his recent games. But hey thats hasuobs and most protoss just panic and warpin a round of stalkers as if its SUPPOSED to work against drops. When during warpin protoss units take like 2x damage and terran is free to focus fire protoss still wants stalkers? After the feedback units cant be healed so zealots are more effective. If the terran wants to kite 2-3 zealots around your base withstim then thats fine as well because at least they arent damaging any infrastructure and the longer they stay the more it hurts. If they lift off then their harass hasnt done anything either except misplace 1 ht and 200 mins. Considering the medvac is 100 gas and is pretty valuable in the terran army its not too bad.

When dropping protoss I find the robo and forge the most valuable targets. If you can get an upgrade advantage over protoss it can really mess with when toss can fight you. Probes are nice too but i dont like the odds of escaping from behind mineral lines on most maps.

theBOOCH

United States832 Posts

October 12 2011 06:16 GMT

#24

Totally with you on this. Diamond Terran around 25-30 ish. I haven't won a game in ages (at least not a good one). I finally kind of figured out TvT, but TvP and TvZ just suck. The reality is, if you play a long macro game, you just CAN'T attack into your opponent. You just won't win. This is especially true in TvZ, but TvP as well. It DOES NOT matter how far ahead you are in economy. If you trade armies, you lose. So you have to drop drop drop. I'm working on it hardcore, but I haven't figured it out.

justjuice

New Zealand165 Posts

October 12 2011 07:00 GMT

#25

On October 12 2011 15:16 theBOOCH wrote:
Totally with you on this. Diamond Terran around 25-30 ish. I haven't won a game in ages (at least not a good one). I finally kind of figured out TvT, but TvP and TvZ just suck. The reality is, if you play a long macro game, you just CAN'T attack into your opponent. You just won't win. This is especially true in TvZ, but TvP as well. It DOES NOT matter how far ahead you are in economy. If you trade armies, you lose. So you have to drop drop drop. I'm working on it hardcore, but I haven't figured it out.

I generally don't post in the strategy forum for obvious reasons but I just wanted to comment on this just in case newbies read this and believed it.
This is absolutely NOT true. Drops help to get you ahead in some way but it is not something necessary to win the game.
It is absolutely possible to win any match up with good micro and macro and 0 drops.

Sated

England4983 Posts

October 12 2011 07:19 GMT

#26

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itstheTB

61 Posts

October 12 2011 08:01 GMT

#27

On October 12 2011 06:58 Gros Bill wrote:

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May you share a link, a replay or a vod about this MKP fast expand, fast ghost timing push please ?

Apparently I got warned because "im posting crap on this forum", yet the strategies I suggest are Korean.

You should find the MarineKing timing in some GSL match, not sure exactly which one but it was either up/down August or group play GSL October.

T0fuuu

Australia2275 Posts

October 12 2011 08:21 GMT

#28

On October 12 2011 17:01 itstheTB wrote:

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You got warned cos we are talking about drops and when to do it/why you should do it and you pull out random builds that have nothing to do with the plays discussed and dont even make any sense "or go lategame with 3+ bases and have 8+ Ghosts"

Right . .

Cibron

Sweden253 Posts

October 12 2011 08:45 GMT

#29

I have no problems skipping drops vs Toss. Maybe it would help my play but I don't find it necessary unless I'm really far ahead and can afford the risk. My bio deathballs can go toe to toe against all toss armies as long as I have enough ghosts (and vikings).

Dropping Zerg on the other hand I find almost necessary. Only sensible way to get that mutablob away from my base for 15 seconds and to force lings away. Besides since zergs don't have warp ins it's easier to deal damage.

Tonem

Australia91 Posts

October 12 2011 08:53 GMT

#30

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On October 12 2011 04:31 THEPPLsELBOW wrote:
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DROP Game at 9:30, on Shattered Temple. Fire team alpha (2 drop ships) comes in and does a stutter-death-path shooting whatever you deem a priority. Medivacs should heal for as long as possible, but be sure to pull them away from the maurauders once stalkers are close by. They should be gathered to the edge where your forces can be picked up after they have been cornered at Alpha-prime.

Based on Intuition, stim and move fireteam Beta into his natural, killing all his probes. If he leaves zealots and sentries behind, fight them. If he has a large chunk of his army there, you have 16 medivacs worth of units in his main. Start shooting at his units, instead of his tech. (unless there is a robo ripe for the taking.
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Drop 1 Medivac worth of units at Fireteam Alpha's unload spot. His army should be very near, get 3 probes and evacuate to his main ASAP, making sure the drop ship does not die. (EMPHASIS ON ASAP, he will be warping in stalkers at his main if he has brains.). If no stalkers, kill probes at alpha prime. If he has stalkers warping in his main, kill them with Fireteam Alpha, but have the drop ship fly to evacuation point Beta. Where there should be no units at that location.

SIMULTANEOUSLY Drop 1 Medivac worth of units at Fireteam Beta's unload spot. Their objective is to kill pylons and to get out safely. Nothing more. Do not engage units(unless.... will go over this point soon), the medivac should be at evacuation point B' where it will be as close to the cliff as possible.

X seconds After fireteam Alpha and Beta have dropped, based on your own intuition, run in with Fireteam Gamma. You will most likely see some sentries and zealots. Unite fireteam Gamma with Beta if you think you can take them. If not, veer Fireteam Beta to rendezvous with Fireteam Alpha and do as much damage as possible before returning to evacuation point Beta.

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Different expansions have different vulnerabilities. The age old adage goes, never fight a losing battle, unless your opponent is losing.

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Different expansion layout again. This one is more sensitive to timing.
Fireteam alpha gets dropped first, to make a path towards a' and then a''.
Fireteam beta comes in when his units (red) are in the bottom right corner of his base. Go straight for the probes, then back up stutter stepping whatever pylons you can kill. Pull out with dropships at the same location you came in as.
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Do this for every map and you will be a god.

THEPPLsELBOW

United States190 Posts

October 12 2011 15:39 GMT

#31

On October 12 2011 10:18 MrInocence wrote:

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1. Where the hell did you get those pictures =o, made them yourself?

2. Can i include them in my original or second post?

Yes made them myself.

Go for it. Make things easier for everyone.

crocodile

United States615 Posts

October 16 2011 03:10 GMT

#32

On October 12 2011 17:01 itstheTB wrote:

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Go back to bnet forums plox

Techno

1900 Posts

October 16 2011 03:14 GMT

#33

It is absolutely possible to win any match up with good micro and macro and 0 drops.

The requirements for both go up incredibly if you dont do drops.

If your not doing drops vs Zerg you have to consider all avenues of counter attacks when you move out. You have to siege every Xel Naga Tower while macroing. It becomes much more demanding.

Send a drop out early when you know it will be safe. Do as much damage as you can but keep it alive at all costs. Use 1-2 drops to pull him out of position while you take a good position. Good positions:
- slightly defend you
- ruin his rally point
- allow you to attack many different things with small groups of marines

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