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lordsurya08
United States141 Posts
"Players always spawn in left versus right positions (i.e., positions 1 or 5 versus 7 or 11)." This was a revelation for me as I thought that spawns were random - but apparently not. Are there spawning patterns for other maps? If so, what are they? Is there a page that lists all the patterns? | ||
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Ammoth
Sweden391 Posts
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E-Coffee
Canada519 Posts
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The Intensity
United Kingdom66 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On September 30 2011 06:33 The Intensity wrote: Can you imagine that close pos? The natural ramps are like 1 second away as the raven flies... We don't have to imagine... just load up Searing Crater ^^ | ||
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
TBH from the looks of it it would have been a lot better than most of the other flaming turds in the 2v2 map pool. | ||
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Sequence
7 Posts
On September 30 2011 06:51 Geovu wrote: Shakuras Plateau was originally a 2v2 map, which is why spawn locations are like that. TBH from the looks of it it would have been a lot better than most of the other flaming turds in the 2v2 map pool. O wow I completely agree with this. Shakuras would be a great 2v2 map. please correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the only map ever to be in the blizzard ladder map pool to have shall we say "preselected" spawn locations. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45925 Posts
I think Shakuras should be in the 2v2 map pool  | ||
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
..Playing PvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvP you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... 100% proven fact. | ||
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zakmaa
Canada525 Posts
On September 30 2011 07:57 Trusty wrote: If you're on Shattered Temple, or Metalpolis.. ..Playing PvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvP you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... 100% proven fact. Uhh... Where did you get these statistics? I play Z and I definitely never spawn anywhere near to even 40% of my games in close spawns on those maps. If the computer completely randomizes it then you actually have a 33% chance for close spawns on those two maps.. And to the OP, your observation is correct. Shakuras has pre-selected spawns, however as everyone else is saying it's the only map with such modifications. | ||
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remember87
Sweden144 Posts
On September 30 2011 08:00 zakmaa wrote: Uhh... Where did you get these statistics? I play Z and I definitely never spawn anywhere near to even 40% of my games in close spawns on those maps. If the computer completely randomizes it then you actually have a 33% chance for close spawns on those two maps.. And to the OP, your observation is correct. Shakuras has pre-selected spawns, however as everyone else is saying it's the only map with such modifications. hehe he was 100% serious... not! | ||
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zakmaa
Canada525 Posts
Sarcasm transfers over internet written text... not! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45925 Posts
On September 30 2011 07:57 Trusty wrote: If you're on Shattered Temple, or Metalpolis.. ..Playing PvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvP you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... 100% proven fact. I don't understand the desire to go out of your way just to not be helpful. | ||
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
On September 30 2011 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't understand the desire to go out of your way just to not be helpful. It's called a joke. The desire to go out of your way to make others laugh. | ||
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
On September 30 2011 06:45 TehTemplar wrote: We don't have to imagine... just load up Searing Crater ^^ Yea that rush distance is SO short. Honestly what was blizzard smoking when they made that | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On September 30 2011 08:21 Iksf wrote: Yea that rush distance is SO short. Honestly what was blizzard smoking when they made that they were hopped up on stimpacks | ||
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
On September 30 2011 06:25 lordsurya08 wrote: I was looking at the TL wiki's page for Shakuras Plateau and I noticed this: "Players always spawn in left versus right positions (i.e., positions 1 or 5 versus 7 or 11)." This was a revelation for me as I thought that spawns were random - but apparently not. Are there spawning patterns for other maps? If so, what are they? Is there a page that lists all the patterns? I think it's worth noting that few people realize Shakuras Plateau is actually translationally symmetrical, not bilaterally symmetrical. Also, the pathing from any given main to either opposite main passes through the same midpoint in the map. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4pG01.png) If you look closely, the top left and bottom right positions are actually the closest rush distances you can get. Bottom left and top right are the furthest, and then either close air positions are in the middle. The rush distance is something like 5-7 seconds for zerglings between the close and far cross position spawns. What all this means is that if you fear some kind of rush, and you spawn on the left side of the map, you should always scout bottom right first because it's always the closer of the two positions. If you spawn on the right side of the map, you should always scout top left first. A game-related application of this would be like so: In PvZ if Protoss opts for a 13 forge to fast expand, he will die to a well executed 6 pool if he spawned top left and zerg was bottom right. However, he will be completely safe if he spawned top right and the zerg spawned bottom left. Those five extra seconds allow enough time for the cannon to complete before the wall can go down. Conversely, those five fewer seconds allow the zerg to dismantle the wall and take down the cannon, killing the protoss if he tried to complete the wall instead of pylon/cannoning his mineral line. | ||
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lordsurya08
United States141 Posts
On September 30 2011 08:17 Trusty wrote: It's called a joke. The desire to go out of your way to make others laugh. No one laughed. Lame troll is lame. | ||
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Kornholi0
Canada634 Posts
On September 30 2011 06:25 lordsurya08 wrote: I was looking at the TL wiki's page for Shakuras Plateau and I noticed this: "Players always spawn in left versus right positions (i.e., positions 1 or 5 versus 7 or 11)." This was a revelation for me as I thought that spawns were random - but apparently not. Are there spawning patterns for other maps? If so, what are they? Is there a page that lists all the patterns? Its a logical map, If player one spawns on the left side, player two MUST spawn on the right side, if they are top or bottom is irrelevent. | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On September 30 2011 09:06 michaelhasanalias wrote: I think it's worth noting that few people realize Shakuras Plateau is actually translationally symmetrical, not bilaterally symmetrical. Also, the pathing from any given main to either opposite main passes through the same midpoint in the map. If you look closely, the top left and bottom right positions are actually the closest rush distances you can get. Bottom left and top right are the furthest, and then either close air positions are in the middle. The rush distance is something like 5-7 seconds for zerglings between the close and far cross position spawns. What all this means is that if you fear some kind of rush, and you spawn on the left side of the map, you should always scout bottom right first because it's always the closer of the two positions. If you spawn on the right side of the map, you should always scout top left first. A game-related application of this would be like so: In PvZ if Protoss opts for a 13 forge to fast expand, he will die to a well executed 6 pool if he spawned top left and zerg was bottom right. However, he will be completely safe if he spawned top right and the zerg spawned bottom left. Those five extra seconds allow enough time for the cannon to complete before the wall can go down. Conversely, those five fewer seconds allow the zerg to dismantle the wall and take down the cannon, killing the protoss if he tried to complete the wall instead of pylon/cannoning his mineral line. wow, I had no clue. Thanks for the info! | ||
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[UNC]oRe.saMa
United States42 Posts
What the man says definitely seems true. It seems I spawn close positions nearly 100% in ZvT -.- | ||
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samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
On October 01 2011 07:47 samuraibael wrote: I hate it when people dont get a joke and blame the other person by calling them a troll. Yeah it's pretty sad.. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 01 2011 07:47 samuraibael wrote: I hate it when people dont get a joke and blame the other person by calling them a troll. Well we hate when people go out of their way to defend their lame joke... | ||
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lordsurya08
United States141 Posts
Then go ahead and explain your "joke". | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
On September 30 2011 09:06 michaelhasanalias wrote: I think it's worth noting that few people realize Shakuras Plateau is actually translationally symmetrical, not bilaterally symmetrical. Also, the pathing from any given main to either opposite main passes through the same midpoint in the map. If you look closely, the top left and bottom right positions are actually the closest rush distances you can get. Bottom left and top right are the furthest, and then either close air positions are in the middle. The rush distance is something like 5-7 seconds for zerglings between the close and far cross position spawns. What all this means is that if you fear some kind of rush, and you spawn on the left side of the map, you should always scout bottom right first because it's always the closer of the two positions. If you spawn on the right side of the map, you should always scout top left first. A game-related application of this would be like so: In PvZ if Protoss opts for a 13 forge to fast expand, he will die to a well executed 6 pool if he spawned top left and zerg was bottom right. However, he will be completely safe if he spawned top right and the zerg spawned bottom left. Those five extra seconds allow enough time for the cannon to complete before the wall can go down. Conversely, those five fewer seconds allow the zerg to dismantle the wall and take down the cannon, killing the protoss if he tried to complete the wall instead of pylon/cannoning his mineral line. FYI That's a picture of the old version of Shakuras Plateau. I believe on the new one the pathing between close by air spawns will go past the Xel'Naga tower instead of through the middle. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
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xsevR
United States324 Posts
On September 30 2011 07:57 Trusty wrote: If you're on Shattered Temple, or Metalpolis.. ..Playing PvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvP you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... 100% proven fact. Someone really didn't get the sarcasm here? No need to attack the poster for being dense, I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone lol. | ||
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
On October 01 2011 08:18 envisioN . wrote: FYI That's a picture of the old version of Shakuras Plateau. I believe on the new one the pathing between close by air spawns will go past the Xel'Naga tower instead of through the middle. yeah you're right but there was no pathing change from each base to any other base. I just pulled the map off liquipedia and I didn't notice the rocks. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Rembot
United States137 Posts
On September 30 2011 07:57 Trusty wrote: If you're on Shattered Temple, or Metalpolis.. ..Playing PvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvP you have a 75% chance for close positions... ..Playing ZvT you have a 75% chance for close positions... 100% proven fact. Hahahahaha | ||
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lordsurya08
United States141 Posts
On October 01 2011 09:07 xsevR wrote: Someone really didn't get the sarcasm here? No need to attack the poster for being dense, I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone lol. I got the sarcasm. He wasn't trying to mislead anyone - he was making a pointless comment, and that was inappropriate "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog" - Wikipedia | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On October 01 2011 12:01 lordsurya08 wrote: I got the sarcasm. He wasn't trying to mislead anyone - he was making a pointless comment, and that was inappropriate "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog" - Wikipedia Way to do selective quoting... "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." - Wikipedia I even highlighted the important part; and with that said it should be clear he wasn't trolling. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
This is pretty much why I love Shakuras Plateau, such a loveable map ^^ | ||
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lordsurya08
United States141 Posts
On October 01 2011 12:32 NTTemplar wrote: Way to do selective quoting... "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." - Wikipedia I even highlighted the important part; and with that said it should be clear he wasn't trolling. 1. Yeah, he definitely disrupted normal on-topic conversation. Take a look at how many posts are actually relevant to the topic 2. Notice the 'or' statements? It means that not everything there has to be true. Even if one of those statements are true, it makes the poster a troll Back to the topic: I think all maps should have predictable spawn patterns. If spawns are random, too much of the game is based on luck - being able to scout earlier is an obvious benefit, especially at higher levels of play. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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